Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

[Jethro4WS]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

New request for information from defense to prosecution. It's very specific and interesting read. Would like to know others thoughts.

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It seems as if they may be aiming to get some sort of evidence that the initial call that kicked this off came into Rexburg PD, either directly by KW or by AZ police on behalf of KW. If I am right about that, it could be that the defense may try to argue that KW had no right to initiate a welfare check and thus these charges must be dismissed because they derive from a person they believe has no right to initiate a welfare check. That will fall on its face, if that is their aim. Anyone can contact law enforcement about any other person to initiate a welfare check and so long as law enforcement has a reasonable belief that there is good reason to conduct a welfare check they will do so. Law enforcement is under no obligation to investigate the caller to learn of the caller's motives - if any.

I think that there is a chance that the defense might argue that Lori lied because she didn't want KW to know where JJ is. However, the law is that law enforcement cannot tell anyone (including KW) where JJ is once they know and he has been seen physically by law enforcement and Lori (actually everyone) is expected to be fully aware and understanding of all laws i.e. ignorance of the law is not an excuse - especially the laws that are beneficial, rather than detrimental, to her in that situation.

It is entirely possible that the defense argument will be that law enforcement, and the State of Idaho, are acting as conspirators in order to take JJ. I half expect some kind of conspiracy nutjob accusation wherein law enforcement is conspiring to take children to give to pedophile rings which is a popular conspiracy theory on the conspiracy sites (they really, really, believe that kind of stuff).

The defense will get some of the stuff they are asking for. I doubt that they will get unredacted recordings or notes where there is any discussion of potential crimes she hasn't been charged with that are, or were, under investigation. Based on the wording it seems very possible that what they request also includes tips submitted by the public.

I wonder whether her attorney will have anything to say today.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

VINELink

Good morning Friday March 6,2020 ..
Marking my place with what we all have been waiting for...Lori waking up in Madison County Jail. I will watch for new footwear in Idaho since the size 15 shower slides were left in Kauai. I wonder when reality sets in...Maybe this afternoon seeing a few familiar faces she has not seen in a long time Colby,
Kay & Larry and her partner in this crime Chad. MOO

LORI N VALLOW
Custody Record

Age46
GenderFemale
RaceWhite
ID: Madison County Sheriff's Office
ID Number174174
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailMadison County Detention Center

 

[Gardener1850]

Did ZP remarry?????

No. It's a name from a marriage prior to Alex. She didn't change her name to Cox. Alex instead requested to change his name to Pastenes.

 

[yawningreyhound]

This one is pretty much a rehash of last nights reports but contains a short interview with KW and LW

Can anyone explain the numbers behind LV in the mug shot, please?

 

[montegrl]

If I am reading this correctly, Old Faithful erupted at 11:06 and 12:43 on September 8th (plus other times but those seem to be the closest to our conjectured timeline). Here's the log for that day:

Geyser Log for 2019-09-08

code definitions: Glossary of Terms

@Trask that is one of my favorite things to do too, especially when I am locked in an office all day!

 

[montegrl]

Can anyone explain the numbers behind LV in the mug shot, please?

It is her height, MOO

 

[canyonoflight]

There are webcams on the entrances as well. I hope they are not erased frequently b/c it's possible LE could get a picture of the group leaving the park & see if Tylee was with them. I wonder if they have done so already, she wasn't, & that's why they are going to do a search when the snow melts. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Can anyone explain the numbers behind LV in the mug shot, please?

Looks like a height chart. Jmo

 

[Alpha Bravo]

What are the chances he gets to speak with her? Jmo

Pretty high, inmates are allowed visitors, subject to local rules, and subject to her wanting to visit.

 

[curiousgene]

I think that there is a chance that the defense might argue that Lori lied because she didn't want KW to know where JJ is. However, the law is that law enforcement cannot tell anyone (including KW) where JJ is once they know and he has been seen physically by law enforcement and Lori (actually everyone) is expected to be fully aware and understanding of all laws i.e. ignorance of the law is not an excuse - especially the laws that are beneficial, rather than detrimental, to her in that situation.

I am thinking on the same lines too. I was wondering who can initiate a welfare check but your post answered that question. I guess the defence wants to put the focus on KW's intent on wanting a welfare check on JJ.

 

[lacegrl130]

aiding and abetting - Idaho

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 2
PERSONS LIABLE, PRINCIPALS AND ACCESSORIES
18-204. PRINCIPALS DEFINED. All persons concerned in the commission of a crime, whether it be felony or misdemeanor, and whether they directly commit the act constituting the offense or aid and abet in its commission, or, not being present, have advised and encouraged its commission, or who, by fraud, contrivance, or force, occasion the intoxication of another for the purpose of causing him to commit any crime, or who, by threats, menaces, command or coercion, compel another to commit any crime, are principals in any crime so committed.
History:
[18-204, added 1972, ch. 336, sec. 1, p. 849; am. 1994, ch. 131, sec. 2, p. 297.]
Section 18-204 – Idaho State Legislature

(I am not a lawyer - this info could be out of date)

Wouldn’t some of the conspiracy to murder charges have to be tried in Arizona?

 

[SeattleStew]

No. It's a name from a marriage prior to Alex. She didn't change her name to Cox. Alex instead requested to change his name to Pastenes.

Thanks, I see on the marriage cert she was identified as just ZP. These people are so...interesting.
Two people get married. One changes their last name, that person dies, and their spouse goes back to using their maiden and previous husband's last name as their legal name? Sure, Jan.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

No. It's a name from a marriage prior to Alex. She didn't change her name to Cox. Alex instead requested to change his name to Pastenes.

That clever little move didn't serve him well in the days and weeks post nuptials... And no fun honeymoon! Well, besides taking a bath in a Vegas casino... Getting rid of all that dirty money...

 

[SeattleStew]

It seems as if they may be aiming to get some sort of evidence that the initial call that kicked this off came into Rexburg PD, either directly by KW or by AZ police on behalf of KW. If I am right about that, it could be that the defense may try to argue that KW had no right to initiate a welfare check and thus these charges must be dismissed because they derive from a person they believe has no right to initiate a welfare check. That will fall on its face, if that is their aim. Anyone can contact law enforcement about any other person to initiate a welfare check and so long as law enforcement has a reasonable belief that there is good reason to conduct a welfare check they will do so. Law enforcement is under no obligation to investigate the caller to learn of the caller's motives - if any.

I think that there is a chance that the defense might argue that Lori lied because she didn't want KW to know where JJ is. However, the law is that law enforcement cannot tell anyone (including KW) where JJ is once they know and he has been seen physically by law enforcement and Lori (actually everyone) is expected to be fully aware and understanding of all laws i.e. ignorance of the law is not an excuse - especially the laws that are beneficial, rather than detrimental, to her in that situation.

It is entirely possible that the defense argument will be that law enforcement, and the State of Idaho, are acting as conspirators in order to take JJ. I half expect some kind of conspiracy nutjob accusation wherein law enforcement is conspiring to take children to give to pedophile rings which is a popular conspiracy theory on the conspiracy sites (they really, really, believe that kind of stuff).

The defense will get some of the stuff they are asking for. I doubt that they will get unredacted recordings or notes where there is any discussion of potential crimes she hasn't been charged with that are, or were, under investigation. Based on the wording it seems very possible that what they request also includes tips submitted by the public.

I wonder whether her attorney will have anything to say today.

Thank you, @Jethro4WS for your analysis. I respect and agree with everything you wrote.

 

[Trish51]

Thank you, @canyonoflight for finding and posting this. I'm bringing Justin's quote forward here:

"Just interviewed Colby Ryan. Lori Vallow’s oldest son and his wife will be in court this afternoon. Colby says he wants to see his mom’s face and wants to speak with her after her appearance."

This just broke my heart a little. I can’t imagine what CR is going through. He has lost so much in the past 7+ months. He just wants, and deserves, the truth.

As a grandparent myself, I feel for KW and LE as well. Lori had no clue how her little adventure into this group of Chads would hurt so many people.

I truly hope and pray that she will let LE know where the kids are today. The solution is really that simple.

I also hope and pray that all goes well at the courthouse as the emotions are pretty high in this case. There’s a lot of angry people.

 

[Gardener1850]

I'm not even kidding- can ordinary non-journalist citizens nominate these two for some type of award when this is over?

IDK. Justin already has an Edward R Murrow Award according to his twitter byline: Edward R. Murrow Award (Radio Television Digital News Association) - Wikipedia

Some other possible awards you could look into nominating them for:
John Chancellor Award - Wikipedia
Henry R. Luce Award - Wikipedia
National Journalism Awards - Wikipedia
Peabody Award - Wikipedia
Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism - Wikipedia

 

[montegrl]

Wouldn’t some of the conspiracy to murder charges have to be tried in Arizona?

Yes, for CV, AC, and BB's attempted murder. I'm curious if any of our VI attorneys can explain what possible federal crimes are an option since so much of this is intertwined across state lines? MOO

 

[yawningreyhound]

This one is pretty much a rehash of last nights reports but contains a short interview with KW and LW

Can anyone explain the numbers behind LV in the mug shot, please?

Looks like a height chart. Jmo

Giggle, yes, I realize that. Just trying to make sense of it

 

[ReadyorNot]

Can anyone explain the numbers behind LV in the mug shot, please?


Giggle, yes, I realize that. Just trying to make sense of it

I believe it is in inches, so 66 inches that would make her 5'6".

 

[montegrl]

Can anyone explain the numbers behind LV in the mug shot, please?


Giggle, yes, I realize that. Just trying to make sense of it

Yes LOL they cut it off so it looks weird. She is 5'6" so where it says 5 that is 59", 60" is where 5 ft. starts at and the hash marks go up from there, the last digits are cut off though. Hope that helps, MOO