Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

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One friend spoke to Fox 10 Phoenix anonymously about Lori, saying she was, “100 percent into the end of time, the end of the world.”

“She’d say stuff like, ‘You know, it’s going to be the end of the world, and we should just all drive off a cliff and kill us and our kids, and die all at the same time,’” the friend said.
If she truly believed that why didn’t she take the kids with her so they could all die at the same time? Guess they would interfere with the “honeymoon”. I think she says stuff to justify her selfish needs and doesn’t believe in anything but her personal gratification at any particular moment in time.
JMO
 
Yikes! That didn't even occur to me. Alex could have been married and have a "girlfriend" too. I hope Justin is working to make contact with ZP (AC's wife), if nothing else, to verify that she is alive and well. :confused:

MOO.

Yeah, I'm just catching up on this thread after living at another thread these days Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2 .

But that also to me, when reading the transcript of the 911 call, was that JL who called 911 said Alex was her mom's boyfriend, and that he didn't know his last name. Too bad the operator didn't ask for the mom's name to clarify for us. o_O

This call was December 12th and his mom married Alex on Nov 29th. SMH that he didn't know they were married, or as you point out, she had one on the side. But if she did have one on the side and the son knew she married Alex, wouldn't you think he wouldn't have referred to him as a boyfriend.

You just can't make this chit up on this case. If someone does a movie on this, it's gonna take 3 hours to cover all the twists and turns.

Back to catching up on this main thread after reading the media thread first.
 
Yes, to the questions about attending services. All LDS churchhouses have a "visitors welcome" sign and anyone of any faith (or not) can attend, anytime.
I feel in MOO Chad and Lori are in a mind set with their new life and up(in their minds) mission.What happened in the past was neassary to reach their goal but it is done and finished.
Families are now out of sight out of mind.
It is just them.
They are enjoying the attention.
Sadly from my experience and other kids on welfare, having a parents who dumps you in a home and walks away starting a new life with a new family. My sibling was contacted my former parent years later(early 90's) to see how they, myself and siblings did after we had been placed in home it was weird.
Even weirder was the parent years later had tracked one of my siblings down by using a Church Group," how sibling left home at sixteen after a disagreement with her etc..... once sibling that found out they were not very happy.
Parent has no intentions of let sibling met the extended family who were unaware of former marriage or children but just to tell us since that parent found out we had done so well in our lives without them, how selfish we were not to contact them, we were so rude so disloyal. Our lives choices marriage, children, careers and lifestyle we could have done better they were disappointed in us.
I found out in Welfare File our Parent had Anti Social Disorder.

I feel IMO Lori demands loyalty and control, once she feels you have broke that loyalty she does not just discard but has shown she will make your life so bad even take lives...
In my opinon could Lori have Anti Social Disorder?
I feel for JJ and his sister where has she dumped them? Due to JJ love for his Daddy, Lori see this as disloyalty. CV Death was still an open case not closed) Tylee failing to convince the police, it is aother another disloyalty in her eyes.
Never her fault always others.
ASD can make up stories and believe them and convince other people very well.

Thank you loganlocal sorry I left this last but you have answered an confirmed a personal family history question for me one which is over decades old. My parents broke up when I was young(Long Story) one parent took us without family courts arrangement(We lived under many names) before we were put into Welfare Care in 1975. When I moved to city in the 1990's I was stunned I knew the city, I walked to a suburb into a street where the local LDS Church house.
I knew the building I knew the inside as I remember being there visiting often when young cannot remember year. Our Parent was recieved into the church, found a letter which had parent name and our name but not year. My friends and family said that there was no way as LDS were closed off from the public. Parent claimed they came a member of LDS in the 80's.
Cut story short year ago I got my Welfare records found in the home records where we were dumped in it was stated myself and siblings were members of LDS although our school and home address was false (No surprise there) as we had moved interstate before placed in Children's home.
Loganlocal, if I contacted the local Church house which my siblings and I attended years ago, would they be able to help us with family history. It would just filling in missing gaps, what year we attended,address we lived/suburb which we can find our school records when we left.
People told me LDS would refuse to help us being a non members . Parent died ten years a member of a different church. Sorry to bring this up on the thread everyone but after what Loganlocal told us I had to jump at the chance.

Loganlocal does the LDS have there own Welfare services, could JJ and Tylee been placed in one care place as they could have been informed the Children were in danger of other family members?
Hope these children are found soon and safe, it breaks my heart, them thinking they are alone and no one wants or care for them.
No children should feel that.
 
No idea. IMO He has to be able to explain to his kids that he knew Lori in some way, and not marry a total stranger a few weeks after Tammy’s passing. He clearly knew her publicly from the podcasts that they did together earlier in the year. Again, I think he was just trying to create separation from people getting the impression that they were having an affair during Tammy’s life.
I understand that, but to me "reconnect" implies that they had a connection in the past (beyond being just acquainted) which was interrupted for some reason and that they rekindled what they had before. Lori's relocation to Rexburg could certainly help.
 
I hate to think this but what if Lori over-medicated JJ as he died. Knowing how much Tylee loved and cared
Listen to this interview with Nate Eaton East Idaho News. At the 4:22 mark he says a “Commitment Ceremony” held on the beach .

*Any couple can join together in a commitment ceremony. ... Since a commitment ceremony is not legally binding, anyone can marry you. It can be a close friend, a family member or a religious leader.

* We have looked for a marriage licenses in how many states? And this could be the reason why.. there probably isn’t one.
If this was a commitment ceremony, in the event they are both arrested and charged with a crime then spousal privilege does not apply, correct?
 
I wanted to revisit the income. What about income from advertising and affiliate links on his website and other websites/forum sites he might have some ownership?

Absolutely some small amount, but in the overall discussion, we're talking minimal. Because of some changes Amazon made 3 or 4 years ago this is likely to be even less significant than in years past when it applies to a site that is mostly going to be linked to relatively inexpensive books.
 
I hate to think this but what if Lori over-medicated JJ as he died. Knowing how much Tylee loved and cared

If this was a commitment ceremony, in the event they are both arrested and charged with a crime then spousal privilege does not apply, correct?
I'm not sure spousal privilege ever would have applied, maybe with the exception of AC's death (if it perhaps turns out that Lori and/or Chad poisoned him). All the other potential crimes happened before Lori & Chad married (I don't think privilege applies to periods before you were married). Jmo
 
I'm not sure spousal privilege ever would have applied, maybe with the exception of AC's death (if it perhaps turns out that Lori and/or Chad poisoned him). All the other potential crimes happened before Lori & Chad married (I don't think privilege applies to periods before you were married). Jmo

Would it apply in the investigation related to statements regarding locating JJ and Tylee?
 
It is tax season. Idaho has state taxes. I am taking a guess here, but Chad is going to need paperwork from there. Also, he is self employed it appears. He would be paying quarterly taxes as well. And now they are “married” so they would state that in tax docs. April 15 should provide interesting dilemmas ‍♀️

IMO Chad's probably not even thinking about taxes. Tammy did the books for the publishing business. Her obituary says she was the Chief Financial Officer: View Tamara
Chad's probably living it up and spending money like water now that Tammy is gone. He might not know how to budget his money if he never had to pay bills or do the taxes for the business. MOO.

ETA: I personally hope his reported income was a lie so that the honeymoon comes to a halt that much faster. Once Chad's money runs, out Lori won't be happy IMHO. If the couple breaks up there may be a better chance of getting one of them to talk and tell what happened JJ & Tylee. Unless they were both involved in permanently disappearing the kids, in which case they may stick by each other to the bitter end. MOO.
 
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IMO Chad's probably not even thinking about taxes. Tammy did the books for the publishing business. Her obituary says she was the Chief Financial Officer: View Tamara
Chad's probably living it up and spending money like water now that Tammy is gone. He might not know how to budget his money if he never had to pay bills or do the taxes for the business. MOO.

ETA: I personally hope his reported income was a lie so that the honeymoon comes to a halt that much faster. Once Chad's money runs, out Lori won't be happy IMHO. If the couple breaks up there may be a better chance of getting one of them to talk and tell what happened JJ & Tylee. Unless they were both involved in permanently disappearing the kids, in which case they may stick by each other to the bitter end. MOO.

'Cult' mom Lori Vallow fails to bring her two missing children to Idaho cops | Daily Mail Online

Just posting this DM link because it mentions Lori and Chad possibly meeting in June 2017. It may be a good idea to put the total eclipse date on the timeline too (? August 2017) as it passed right thru Rexburg on its path through the states. In July, there also was the very first prepper conference on 15th July 2017 in the Rexburg Tabernacle civic centre.

Rexburg Standard Journal link below.

Preparing a People conference

Extract from the DM link regarding them meeting in June 2017 is below.

"Chad, 51, is a prolific author of 25 books focusing on doomsday scenarios and near-death experiences. He is what's known as a 'prepper' - someone who is getting ready for the End of Times - and was a member of a group called Preparing a People.

Last month DailyMail.com exclusively revealed that Chad had been kicked out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints back in the fall after he declared himself a prophet.

Lori reportedly began reading Chad's writing while she was living in Hawaii with Charles, J.J. and Tylee between 2014 and 2017.

It's unclear how or when exactly Lori and Chad met, but family members say it was sometime around June 2017.

The pair made their first appearance together in December 2017 on a podcast for Preparing a People, a group which, according to its website, organizes conferences and lectures for those who 'look forward to the rapidly coming changes to our current Telestial way of life, and rejoice in the hope of a far better world to soon come!' "
 
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I am guessing Chad's children were raised to believe Chad is a visionary that can do no wrong. Chad reportedly told potential landlady Tammy's spirit helped him to reconnect with Lori so quickly. Presumably he used the same line on his children. But at some point you have to wake up and smell the coffee.

Coffee goes against the Word of Wisdom (a Mormon belief) so Chad's kids wouldn't be interested. :)

From a more serious angle, different families are different for sure, but the culture they grew up in is going to condition them to view what Dad says as law more than an average American family.

MOO
 
Especially with income of 30k per month, I guess, so 360k pa. At approx $15 per book he would have to sell 25000 books a year, or 500 per week. Is that feasible?

I don't believe he sold that many of his own books. But Chad got many other authors published and would have made money from their books selling. diggndeeperstill posted the list of authors from his book publisher website Spring Creek Books. Here it is in the media thread as a reference: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

I hope his reported income as an author and publisher was false but I fear it might be true. However, he has now seemingly closed down his business and Tammy is not here to do the financials anymore. I'm not sure how long his income will stay that high without Tammy to help keep the business running. MOO.
 
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I the raw version of Justin Lum's interview with Colby Ryan Justin asked Colby about his thoughts on who between Lori and Chad was the leader and who the follower. Of course Colby didn't know the answer, but he immediately stated that his mother was an adult and as such responsible for her children. He didn't try to blame Chad for leading Lori astray. In similar situations family members and friends often show bias and lay blame on other persons involved.

 
Especially with income of 30k per month, I guess, so 360k pa. At approx $15 per book he would have to sell 25000 books a year, or 500 per week. Is that feasible?

And thats gross, not net. But the 30k claim, at least in theory, should be net. And I'll continue to say there is no way he's making anywhere in that neighborhood from his writing or the publishing company. A liveable amount (say 50-100K a year), would be a stretch, IMO, but conceivable. Or at least would have been before Deseret Book and Seagull Book stopped carrying Chad's books and at least some, if not all, of his other author's. At that point I'd say there is NWIH he's making a liveable income from his books. (Because of timing, the money might not have shut down immediately, but would have within a couple months.) Now the only thing I can see him living on is life insurance money and whatever Lori contributes.
 
The mystery surrounding the deaths of TD and AC is just bizarre. They weren't old. They weren't in poor health. The initial responses to the discovery of each person's body by LE / coroners is just baffling. Apparently not a heart attack or stroke in either case. "Well, she/he's dead. Musta just died I guess.."

IF TD and AC possibly died from poisoning, it wouldn't be surprising to learn that it was the same poison used in both cases. But IF they were poisoned, who would've done it, and where would they have gotten the poison?

I guess I have been thinking AC's death was a suicide, perhaps due a guilty conscience. But it could have been a Lori (or Lori and Chad) thing, but idk. That fits more though if perhaps he did something to the kids. Just based on his past, I doubt he was racked with guilt over just shooting CV or taking a couple of shots at BB.

IF a poison was involved, I doubt it would have been ethylene glycol, as it takes too long. The only one I can think of that might fit would be cyanide. Isn't it used in precious metals mining, manufacturing, and even printing/photography?

And of course AC was around toxic materials, trucking them all over the place. Autopsies are definitely key.
 
I don't believe he sold that many of his own books. But Chad got many other authors published and would have made money from their books selling. diggndeeperstill posted the list of authors from his book publisher website Spring Creek Books. Here it is in the media thread as a reference: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

I hope his reported income as an author and publisher was false but I fear it might be true. However, he has now seemingly closed down his business and Tammy is not here to do the financials anymore. I'm not sure how long his income will stay that high without Tammy to help keep the business running. MOO.

I checked Deseret Book and Seagull for Chad's books and Hector's. Also JR's although I knew that was no longer pertinent, and found none. I can't do so right now, but it would be interesting to see if they've dropped the other authors on this list.
 
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