Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #9

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Further, I believe you have to go to school until you are 16 in most states (unless you have special circumstances) and in most states you have to be 18 to take the GED test. Lori easily could have gotten around the school law and allowed Tylee to drop out at 15 by claiming she would homeschool her, then just told family members Tylee was "graduated" from homeschool at age 15 with a GED (but it would be a lie since Tylee couldn't have taken the test that young).

Tiny bit of adjustment. No, Tylee could not have taken the GED at 15. Many, most I think, have ways to get approval for taking it at 16/17.

But, that's DIFFERENT than graduating high school as a homeschool student. Most homeschool graduates do NOT take the GED - it's not necessary, as their homeschool diploma (whether it's one of the very few locations that provide one, or a parent-or-program created one) is perfectly valid. It's not actually recommended that a homeschool student take the GED test. It's a major downgrade from a diploma, and looked on very negatively in comparison, by everyone from employers to colleges.

It's THIS detail that makes the "homeschooling" that Lori was providing suspect, because it would be clear she was unaware of it. A teen that has recently been to public school, drops out or is removed from school, and then takes the GED test, is a teen that's not really being or been homeschooled, in most cases. It's a way to get them out of the system, whether it's because they were failing to attend, or the system was failing them.

Substance abuse, behavioral issues, mental health issues, parent issues, peer issues... these things can all hide behind "homeschool then GED"... but a true homeschool student pretty much never gets a GED.

ESPECIALLY if they're a good student, as it was suggested Tylee was based on that honor roll list. Those ones just take the SAT, ACT, and/or a placement exam at a community college or state university, then start taking a class or several, and the high school diploma becomes immediately irrelevant, anyway.
 
I do think Chad and Lori were having a long term affair and were tired of not being married and wanted to move things along. I think they wanted a fantasy life in Hawaii, and they are now realizing that will never happen. They will be famous forever, not in the way either of them hoped.

Agreed. I wasn't saying that CD couldn't be a cheating, murdering, lowlife (in addition to him being, imo, a deluded, grandiose, narcissistic snake charmer). I was simply comparing his backstory to Lori's backstory in an effort to help find out what may have happened the kids.

Wherever the children are (whether they're alive or dead, and whether CD knew about them or not), imo Lori and AC are responsible for them being there. JMO
 
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What could happen Thursday in the Vallow case?

What could happen Thursday in the Vallow case?
  • By SALLY KRUTZIG skrutzig postregister.com
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Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Joshua J.J. Vallow or his sister Tylee Ryan is asked to call the Rexburg Police Department at 208-359-3000 or 1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST).



Two months ago, police conducted a welfare check on 7-year-old J.J. Vallow whose grandparents had been trying unsuccessfully to reach him for weeks.

J.J.’s mother Lori Vallow, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, lied to police, telling them that J.J. and his 17-year-old sister Tylee Ryan were with relatives in Arizona. But when police checked that story and learned it was a lie, they went back to Vallow’s townhome in Rexburg to follow up.

No one was home. Vallow and Daybell had fled the city. That Nov. 26 welfare check was the last the public saw of the couple until this past weekend. Neither Tylee nor J.J. has been seen in public since September.


On Saturday, law enforcement in Princeville, Hawaii, served Vallow with a court order demanding that she “physically produce Tylee and J.J. to the Idaho Department of Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, or to the Rexburg Police within five days of being served with the order.”

Those five days are up on Thursday. Here are three different ways in which the situation could play out in the legal system.

Scenario 1: Lori Vallow remains in Hawaii and ignores the court orderAccording to Rexburg Police, failure to comply with this order may subject Vallow to civil or criminal contempt of court. If Vallow is found in contempt, it will be left up to a judge to determine what penalty to impose on her. The judge’s decision could include extraditing Vallow from Hawaii to Rexburg.

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Chad Daybell

Samuel Newton, assistant professor of law at the University of Idaho, speculated whether a judge would find extradition worth it. In Idaho, contempt of court is a misdemeanor. Per Idaho law, a misdemeanor for contempt carries a penalty of an up to $5,000 fine, a maximum of five days in jail, or both. Newton wondered whether it would be worth spending the money to extradite Vallow when she may simply choose to receive the relatively minor penalty and return to Hawaii or elsewhere afterward.

Barbara Babb, associate professor of law at the University of Baltimore and prominent American family law scholar, thought the court may still choose to pursue contempt charges that involve law enforcement extraditing Vallow and forcing her to appear before the Madison County court.

“It depends on how badly Idaho wants to find the kids. … It sounds like it’s a famous case in Idaho, so they might spend the funds to do that. (Extradition) is their best hope to try to find the kids and figure out what happened to them,” Babb said.

Once Vallow is before the court, Babb noted, the court can issue further orders in addition to the child protective action. Further orders could involve incarcerating Vallow, possibly until she agrees to cooperate in finding the children.

Scenario 2: Lori Vallow shows up to court but without the children{div class=”OutlineElement Ltr BCX0 SCXW257309820”}{p class=”Paragraph SCXW257309820 BCX0” lang=”EN-US” xml:lang=”EN-US”}The court could then find Vallow in contempt of court. She could choose to either serve the contempt penalty or cooperate with the courts to produce the children. Should she fulfill the penalty rather than show the children, the criminal justice system would need to then bring new charges against her in order to take further action, said Babb. If further charges are brought against Vallow, she may be incarcerated at that time.{/div}

Due to the many deaths surrounding Vallow , if the children are never produced, many have suggested the charge could ultimately be murder. Babb noted that there have been instances of murder charges being brought without a body.


Vallow’s former husband Charles was killed in July in Arizona during an argument with her brother Alex Cox. Cox died in December of unknown causes. And Daybell’s former wife Tammy died at her Salem home in October in what police have described as suspicious circumstances. Autopsies are pending on both Cox and Tammy Daybell.

Scenario 3: Lori Vallow shows up to court with the childrenThere is always the chance Vallow will physically produce J.J. and Tylee to the Madison County court in Rexburg on Thursday. At that point, provided the children are proven to be safe and healthy, all investigation into J.J. and Tylee would most likely cease, Babb said. Obstruction of justice or other charges would be unlikely.

“The court has no jurisdiction regarding children unless they have been abused or neglected,” Babb said.

Some have speculated that Vallow is hiding the children due to custody issues involving J.J.

“People do crazy things around families and it’s not out of the realm of possibility. (Vallow) may be afraid she is going to lose custody, or she may not want the grandparents involved in the children’s lives,” Babb said.

In that scenario, though the investigation into Vallow or Chad Daybell regarding Tylee and J.J.’s disappearance would most likely be dropped, later charges could still come out of autopsy results regarding Charles Vallow (deceased husband of Lori), Tammy Daybell (deceased wife of Chad), and Alex Cox (deceased brother of Lori) if foul play is confirmed.

@Gardener1850

Right now, in all of these scenarios, Chad Daybell still has the option of bailing out on Lori.

Chad has not been charged with anything. Nor does he have to go to court on Thursday.

I am concerned that Lori will blame everything on Alex. And she didn't want to accept that Alex may have hurt her children.
 
January 28,2020
Post Register Idaho Falls Idaho


What could happen Thursday in the Vallow case?

“People do crazy things around families and it’s not out of the realm of possibility. (Vallow) may be afraid she is going to lose custody, or she may not want the grandparents involved in the children’s lives,” Babb said.
@Gardener1850

I hope Kay and Larry are very careful and are protected. Remember what happened the last two times she didn't want someone involved in her children's lives?
 
"The real estate agent doesn’t remember the last time he saw Lori, but he had a brief conversation with Chad on Friday, Jan. 24. The Idaho father told Latham he was leaving because the condo was scheduled to be shown to a potential buyer." (All emphasis mine)

.... if Chad and Lori had signed a "long-term" contract then that would give them legal grounds to stay on the property for as long as the contract was valid, which surely would have been longer than one month since it was a long term contract. Even if the property owner did have a potential buyer he couldn't have forced them out before the contract was up without facing potential lengthy and expensive legal action from Chad and Lori. Property owners may have certain rights, but so do renters/tenants. And at least in the state I live in, even if a renter is delinquent on their payments or otherwise found in violation of the contract it can take several months for the property owner to have them legally evicted.

RSBM for focus.

I had a different interpretation of Chad's words to the neighbor. I thought he was saying he was leaving at that particular moment, for a showing of the condo that day, not that he and Lori were leaving the condo permanently. A tenant being asked by a landlord to leave the unit for a few hours so it can be shown doesn't strike me as strange when it's known to be up for sale, even if the existing lease runs for several more months. A showing does not imply a premature eviction.

Of course, Chad could simply have been making an excuse for cutting a conversation short because he wanted to bolt. It's a smallish island, and chances are he's been spooked for quite awhile by the thought, or the reality, of policemen around every corner.

Which is kind of ironic. :)
 
Tiny bit of adjustment. No, Tylee could not have taken the GED at 15. Many, most I think, have ways to get approval for taking it at 16/17.

But, that's DIFFERENT than graduating high school as a homeschool student. Most homeschool graduates do NOT take the GED - it's not necessary, as their homeschool diploma (whether it's one of the very few locations that provide one, or a parent-or-program created one) is perfectly valid. It's not actually recommended that a homeschool student take the GED test. It's a major downgrade from a diploma, and looked on very negatively in comparison, by everyone from employers to colleges.

It's THIS detail that makes the "homeschooling" that Lori was providing suspect, because it would be clear she was unaware of it. A teen that has recently been to public school, drops out or is removed from school, and then takes the GED test, is a teen that's not really being or been homeschooled, in most cases. It's a way to get them out of the system, whether it's because they were failing to attend, or the system was failing them.

Substance abuse, behavioral issues, mental health issues, parent issues, peer issues... these things can all hide behind "homeschool then GED"... but a true homeschool student pretty much never gets a GED.

ESPECIALLY if they're a good student, as it was suggested Tylee was based on that honor roll list. Those ones just take the SAT, ACT, and/or a placement exam at a community college or state university, then start taking a class or several, and the high school diploma becomes immediately irrelevant, anyway.

I'm in Texas. Homeschoolers need to be enrolled in an accredited curriculum (Such as the Calvert School) or take the GED.

However, I think that Tylee was just a free range teen. Maybe she took the GED..who knows...She lists numerous high schools on her Facebook. It sounds like she never stayed anywhere for long.

My husband was a principal at low performing schools. Lots of parents don't want the responsibility of sending their kids to school, so they say they're homeschooling. Or if the kid starts getting into trouble, they will pull them out and say they're homeschooling. Most of these students have no further education at this point.
 
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January 28,2020
Post Register Idaho Falls Idaho


What could happen Thursday in the Vallow case?

What could happen Thursday in the Vallow case?
  • By SALLY KRUTZIG skrutzig postregister.com
  • 1 hr ago
  • 0
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Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Joshua J.J. Vallow or his sister Tylee Ryan is asked to call the Rexburg Police Department at 208-359-3000 or 1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST).



Two months ago, police conducted a welfare check on 7-year-old J.J. Vallow whose grandparents had been trying unsuccessfully to reach him for weeks.

J.J.’s mother Lori Vallow, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, lied to police, telling them that J.J. and his 17-year-old sister Tylee Ryan were with relatives in Arizona. But when police checked that story and learned it was a lie, they went back to Vallow’s townhome in Rexburg to follow up.

No one was home. Vallow and Daybell had fled the city. That Nov. 26 welfare check was the last the public saw of the couple until this past weekend. Neither Tylee nor J.J. has been seen in public since September.


On Saturday, law enforcement in Princeville, Hawaii, served Vallow with a court order demanding that she “physically produce Tylee and J.J. to the Idaho Department of Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, or to the Rexburg Police within five days of being served with the order.”

Those five days are up on Thursday. Here are three different ways in which the situation could play out in the legal system.

Scenario 1: Lori Vallow remains in Hawaii and ignores the court orderAccording to Rexburg Police, failure to comply with this order may subject Vallow to civil or criminal contempt of court. If Vallow is found in contempt, it will be left up to a judge to determine what penalty to impose on her. The judge’s decision could include extraditing Vallow from Hawaii to Rexburg.

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Lori Vallow

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Chad Daybell

Samuel Newton, assistant professor of law at the University of Idaho, speculated whether a judge would find extradition worth it. In Idaho, contempt of court is a misdemeanor. Per Idaho law, a misdemeanor for contempt carries a penalty of an up to $5,000 fine, a maximum of five days in jail, or both. Newton wondered whether it would be worth spending the money to extradite Vallow when she may simply choose to receive the relatively minor penalty and return to Hawaii or elsewhere afterward.

Barbara Babb, associate professor of law at the University of Baltimore and prominent American family law scholar, thought the court may still choose to pursue contempt charges that involve law enforcement extraditing Vallow and forcing her to appear before the Madison County court.

“It depends on how badly Idaho wants to find the kids. … It sounds like it’s a famous case in Idaho, so they might spend the funds to do that. (Extradition) is their best hope to try to find the kids and figure out what happened to them,” Babb said.

Once Vallow is before the court, Babb noted, the court can issue further orders in addition to the child protective action. Further orders could involve incarcerating Vallow, possibly until she agrees to cooperate in finding the children.

Scenario 2: Lori Vallow shows up to court but without the children{div class=”OutlineElement Ltr BCX0 SCXW257309820”}{p class=”Paragraph SCXW257309820 BCX0” lang=”EN-US” xml:lang=”EN-US”}The court could then find Vallow in contempt of court. She could choose to either serve the contempt penalty or cooperate with the courts to produce the children. Should she fulfill the penalty rather than show the children, the criminal justice system would need to then bring new charges against her in order to take further action, said Babb. If further charges are brought against Vallow, she may be incarcerated at that time.{/div}

Due to the many deaths surrounding Vallow , if the children are never produced, many have suggested the charge could ultimately be murder. Babb noted that there have been instances of murder charges being brought without a body.


Vallow’s former husband Charles was killed in July in Arizona during an argument with her brother Alex Cox. Cox died in December of unknown causes. And Daybell’s former wife Tammy died at her Salem home in October in what police have described as suspicious circumstances. Autopsies are pending on both Cox and Tammy Daybell.

Scenario 3: Lori Vallow shows up to court with the childrenThere is always the chance Vallow will physically produce J.J. and Tylee to the Madison County court in Rexburg on Thursday. At that point, provided the children are proven to be safe and healthy, all investigation into J.J. and Tylee would most likely cease, Babb said. Obstruction of justice or other charges would be unlikely.

“The court has no jurisdiction regarding children unless they have been abused or neglected,” Babb said.

Some have speculated that Vallow is hiding the children due to custody issues involving J.J.

“People do crazy things around families and it’s not out of the realm of possibility. (Vallow) may be afraid she is going to lose custody, or she may not want the grandparents involved in the children’s lives,” Babb said.

In that scenario, though the investigation into Vallow or Chad Daybell regarding Tylee and J.J.’s disappearance would most likely be dropped, later charges could still come out of autopsy results regarding Charles Vallow (deceased husband of Lori), Tammy Daybell (deceased wife of Chad), and Alex Cox (deceased brother of Lori) if foul play is confirmed.

@Gardener1850

Great post!
This lays out what can happen to Lori in regards to producing or not producing children but what legal repercussions would one be facing if you have the children and are choosing not to come forward? Obstruction was mentioned way back in earlier threads.
Most would do it on moral grounds, but some would not especially if you have great distrust of the government.
 
RSBM for focus.

I had a different interpretation of Chad's words to the neighbor. I thought he was saying he was leaving at that particular moment, for a showing of the condo that day, not that he and Lori were leaving the condo permanently. A tenant being asked by a landlord to leave the unit for a few hours so it can be shown doesn't strike me as strange when it's known to be up for sale, even if the existing lease runs for several more months. A showing does not imply a premature eviction.

Of course, Chad could simply have been making an excuse for cutting a conversation short because he wanted to bolt. It's a smallish island, and chances are he's been spooked for quite awhile by the thought, or the reality, of policemen around every corner.

Which is kind of ironic. :)

I took what the neighbor said the same way.
 
It's just a theory. Some people where I live feel that the government is over stepping boundaries by demanding Lori tell the police where the kids are located. They don't think parents should have to respond when the police or some other entity requests to see their children. I don't feel that way, but there is a bit of that sentiment in these parts. I've read a few comments in other forums that lean in that direction as well.
Well, that’s just wacky.
 
Tiny bit of adjustment. No, Tylee could not have taken the GED at 15. Many, most I think, have ways to get approval for taking it at 16/17.

But, that's DIFFERENT than graduating high school as a homeschool student. Most homeschool graduates do NOT take the GED - it's not necessary, as their homeschool diploma (whether it's one of the very few locations that provide one, or a parent-or-program created one) is perfectly valid. It's not actually recommended that a homeschool student take the GED test. It's a major downgrade from a diploma, and looked on very negatively in comparison, by everyone from employers to colleges.

It's THIS detail that makes the "homeschooling" that Lori was providing suspect, because it would be clear she was unaware of it. A teen that has recently been to public school, drops out or is removed from school, and then takes the GED test, is a teen that's not really being or been homeschooled, in most cases. It's a way to get them out of the system, whether it's because they were failing to attend, or the system was failing them.

Substance abuse, behavioral issues, mental health issues, parent issues, peer issues... these things can all hide behind "homeschool then GED"... but a true homeschool student pretty much never gets a GED.

ESPECIALLY if they're a good student, as it was suggested Tylee was based on that honor roll list. Those ones just take the SAT, ACT, and/or a placement exam at a community college or state university, then start taking a class or several, and the high school diploma becomes immediately irrelevant, anyway.
Excellent, thanks. I hope it's divulged how Tylee fell through the cracks. Having her father die mysteriously did not help.
 
I thought Chad and Lori believed their own crazy ideas, but Hawaii would be the worst possible place for Chad to be in the "Call-Up", his weird version of a final days scenario. I don't see anything in all of this to make me think they're holing up for a "Ruby Ridge" type anything. I wonder if all along or at some point it just became a money scam. I certainly don't think he'll ever be making a return of any type to the "Prepper" circuit. Any career of any kind is not happening for Chad. I think even The Organizations That Must Not Be Named aren't too impressed with him at this point. It was one thing when he was the bumbling good old small town guy, but now, he is, shall we say, "No longer their type." MOOOOO lol.
 
Great post!
This lays out what can happen to Lori in regards to producing or not producing children but what legal repercussions would one be facing if you have the children and are choosing not to come forward? Obstruction was mentioned way back in earlier threads.
Most would do it on moral grounds, but some would not especially if you have great distrust of the government.

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but it seems she may be better off (in the short term anyway), to stay in Hawaii
 
It is interesting that they chose Hawaii, of course, Lori loves the beach.

Folks in Hawaii want to know their neighbors, they are amazingly friendly. Everyone is super outgoing. It is easier to get lost almost anywhere, but a small rock in the middle of the ocean, where you had to fly to get there.

They didn't try to hide. After all, you need to purchase plane tickets to get to Hawaii. If they had wanted to hide, it would have been easier to go underground by purchasing a Greyhound bus ticket, for cash.

Lori? Riding the "dog"?! LOL.

Why are they being so brazen?
 
RSBM for focus.

I had a different interpretation of Chad's words to the neighbor. I thought he was saying he was leaving at that particular moment, for a showing of the condo that day, not that he and Lori were leaving the condo permanently. A tenant being asked by a landlord to leave the unit for a few hours so it can be shown doesn't strike me as strange when it's known to be up for sale, even if the existing lease runs for several more months. A showing does not imply a premature eviction.

Of course, Chad could simply have been making an excuse for cutting a conversation short because he wanted to bolt. It's a smallish island, and chances are he's been spooked for quite awhile by the thought, or the reality, of policemen around every corner.

Which is kind of ironic. :)

It would be interesting to know if a "potential buyer" actually came to tour the house that day and if maybe he/she happened to be an undercover LEO. Perhaps LE was checking the place out to see if Lori and Chad were really living there? It was the day before Lori was served with the order to produce the kids. From what the neighbor SL said Lori and Chad kept a very low profile and never hung out at the pool at their townhome. SL says he didn't see any lights on at night after they moved in, they never had any guests visit them, the townhome continued to look vacant and SL and wasn't sure if they were really staying there. If that's the case, then LE may have needed to verify that Lori and Chad were still there before serving the order and the search warrants. MOO.
 
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