ID - Robert Manwill, 8, Boise, 24 July 2009 - #3

[panthera]

JVM's "Issues" is on again ~ talking about Robert. I missed it the first time so I don't know how much time she spends on the case.

 

[panthera]

good catch!
what a slip!

I also just noticed he said that on Saturday!!

 

[nursebeeme]

The mother's house is about 8.3 miles or 20 minutes from Wallis's.

And the site the body was found is 2 miles from Wallis..

 

[LaLaw2000]

I noticed in the interview of the Suburban's owner that was shown tonight that he started to say "murder" but stopped in the middle of the word. :waitasec:

BBM

He sure did!

Also, when a video was showing the Suburban, I could see sandy looking (tan) dirt all over the rubber part at the bottom of the window. It had either been driven down a dusty dirt road, or a breeze wafted quite a lot of dust/dirt onto the vehicle. MOO

ETA: As for the breeze; I meant it could have wafted from the backyard digging. MOO

 

[mysticrose]

What body of water, if any, does this canal lead to?

This canal empties into Lake Lowell in Canyon County.

http://www.accem.org/pdf/boiseriverfaq2.pdf

About the 5th question down.

 

[Idaho-native]

Good point! Did I hear correctly that to access the canal from his mother's place at about 1/2 mi. away, he'd have to go over terrain and up a hill? I'm also curious if there have been any reports if he was afraid of the dark or not?

The canal is about a half mile or mile from moms apartment. He would have to walk up a hill to get there.

If you go to google and type in 3205 S Vista Ave, Boise, ID‎ then drag the arrows to the right you will see the canal. Its at the top of the hill. If you follow that down to where there is a 7 11 gas station on the left you can see the apartments

 

[panthera]

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BBM

He sure did!

Also, when a video was showing the Suburban, I could see sandy looking (tan) dirt all over the rubber part at the bottom of the window. It had either been driven down a dusty dirt road, or a breeze wafted quite a lot of dust/dirt onto the vehicle. MOO

ETA: As for the breeze; I meant it could have wafted from the backyard digging. MOO

You're right, but I'm not putting too much into the dirty SUV since like you said, it could've come from the backyard. Or it's just been a while since it was washed. What he started to say though really struck me, especially since little Robert's body (we assume) wasn't found until yesterday. :waitasec:

 

[Idaho-native]

This canal empties into Lake Lowell in Canyon County.

http://www.accem.org/pdf/boiseriverfaq2.pdf

About the 5th question down.

Thank you for that correction. All I really was 100% about is there is not water in it all year long

 

[panthera]

The canal is about a half mile or mile from moms apartment. He would have to walk up a hill to get there.

If you go to google and type in 3205 S Vista Ave, Boise, ID‎ then drag the arrows to the right you will see the canal. Its at the top of the hill. If you follow that down to where there is a 7 11 gas station on the left you can see the apartments

Thanks so much for the additional information! I was wondering if he would've walked up that hill, especially if it were dark, or getting dark outside.

 

[panthera]

This canal empties into Lake Lowell in Canyon County.

http://www.accem.org/pdf/boiseriverfaq2.pdf

About the 5th question down.

So if he were dumped into the canal, the perp may have thought the body would end up in the lake, correct?

 

[Idaho-native]

Any 8 year old I know would be afraid to be out walking once its dark. Much less in a neighborhood he isn't all that familiar with. Then to add that this lost, scared and tired kid is gonna fight a fence to get to the canal. Not to mention the lighting may make it difficult to see all that well. Sure there are street lights, but I dont think enough to get him past a fence without any snags.

I can tell you for certain if any of my kids or nieces or nephews had to walk up that hill without a drink in the heat they would all be whining about how tired they were and how their feet hurt. No matter what anyone says I will never believe this child walked up to that canal and fell in. Being a mom gives us a lot more knowledge then people think lol

 

[LaLaw2000]

Watching JVM again and noticing all of the dust/dirt kicked up as the vehicles leave the scene where Robert's body was recovered.

 

[mysticrose]

So if he were dumped into the canal, the perp may have thought the body would end up in the lake, correct?

Correct, but if Robert was weighted down with something that would not be the case. I really think something was holding him down, because if he fell into that canal he would have been found alot sooner then he was..JMO
I think some one was trying to hide him thinking he would stay down, I believe Scott Peterson thought the same with Laci but it doesnt happen like that.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

So if he were dumped into the canal, the perp may have thought the body would end up in the lake, correct?

Maybe not if they knew all the geography of the canal. I followed it along (google & bingmaps), and I don't know much but I could see a few places where there would be small rapids, falls or dry spots or rocky areas. A body probably wouldn't go through unless it was flooded.

 

[mysticrose]

I'm begining to wonder if Mom really knows what happened, now the BF on the other hand I think he knows damn well what happened to Robert.JMO

 

[panthera]

Watching JVM again and noticing all of the dust/dirt kicked up as the vehicles leave the scene where Robert's body was recovered.

I noticed that too and was thinking about the Suburban's dirt ~ just maybe it was there. After all the dogs scented on it. Has it been processed for forensics on the undercarriage & tires?

 

[panthera]

Correct, but if Robert was weighted down with something that would not be the case. I really think something was holding him down, because if he fell into that canal he would have been found alot sooner then he was..JMO
I think some one was trying to hide him thinking he would stay down, I believe Scott Peterson thought the same with Laci but it doesnt happen like that.

That does make a lot more sense. I too was thinking if he'd just fallen in he would've been found sooner. But they did say bodies have travelled several miles down that canal. MOO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You're right, but I'm not putting too much into the dirty SUV since like you said, it could've come from the backyard. Or it's just been a while since it was washed. What he started to say though really struck me, especially since little Robert's body (we assume) wasn't found until yesterday. :waitasec:

I would put a lot into that dirty SUV. The dirt along the canal is going to be filled with completely different soil samples. It should include things like cow manure and other things which are exclusive to that particular area. The plant life would be different as well and the vegetation plus the spores can be found on the vehicle. The tires should hold even more information as to where the vehicle has been driven. My guess is the perp wasn't smart enough to consider cleaning the SUV in order to get rid of such evidence.

 

[Idaho-native]

Another thing that makes me not even consider that he walked up that hill and fell in himself.....That is a fairly busy road. There is enough traffic that at least ONE person would have seen a child walking that time of night. Heck I would notice a child walking that during the day. My first thought would be that a child shoulnt be alone on that busy road. If I saw a kid at night you can bet it would stick in my mind.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I'm begining to wonder if Mom really knows what happened, now the BF on the other hand I think he knows damn well what happened to Robert.JMO

I think they both know what happened. I feel that whatever the boyfriend knows, the Egg donor knows. After all, she supposedly left the BF to babysit, and now Robert is dead and she is still with him.

JMO