Identified! IL - DuPage Co., Boy, 3-5, found in laundry bag, Oct'05 - Atzel Olmedo

[mjak]

It does not say how long they believe this child has been dead. Were his remains skeletonized? It would be very helpful to know the approximate time frame for his death. when did Walmart sell the clothes he was found in.

mjak

 

[Boyz_Mum]

It does not say how long they believe this child has been dead. Were his remains skeletonized? It would be very helpful to know the approximate time frame for his death. when did Walmart sell the clothes he was found in.

mjak

All I have read about him is on the doe network page listed in the first post. I could be wrong, but I think Walmart may still sell the brand mentioned on the previous page?

 

[Dena]

Walmart does still sell the brand, Faded Glory. I know they were looking at transactions during the time those clothes were sold in the area and they came up empty.

You're right, we don't know how long the child had been passed. When I think of him, I think of the artist's sketch, not a skeleton.

I feel stumped. Somebody out there knows something.

 

[Rle7]

They don't know who he is or how he died, but DuPage County authorities say it's time to lay to rest a little boy found dead nearly two years ago.

The unidentified youngster -- whose body was found in a blue laundry bag abandoned in Naperville Township -- will be buried Oct. 15 in a donated grave at Assumption Cemetery near Wheaton, officials said Friday.

"It's a sad day for us. No one wanted it to happen this way," DuPage County Sheriff John Zaruba said. "But it's time to put him to rest."

Still, the investigation won't end with the boy's burial, Zaruba said, promising that "this will never be treated as a cold case."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/581077,CST-NWS-boy30.article

 

[LillyRush]

This is so horrible and oddly similar to the boy in the box way back in the 50s. I can't believe they can't find out more about this child with all the ways we have of tracking people down and analyzing crime scenes, etc.

 

[Angie4b1g]

I can't wrap my mind around a 25lb 5 year old. I wonder if he was abused/neglected.

 

[concernedperson]

I can't wrap my mind around a 25lb 5 year old. I wonder if he was abused/neglected.

That is what I am thinking and why no one has come forward. Thinking of Baby Doe and how that ultimately ended up charging the parents. LE is doing an extraordinary job of keeping the child in focus but someone else is not helping.There is someone who knows more than they are sharing right now and they need to come forward or they may face other problems when they meet their maker.

 

[Kymistry35]

My 5 yr old weighs 30 lbs. He is not malnutritioned, just tiny. He was a premie and just hasn't caught up yet. Maybe it's the same with this baby?

 

[Dena]

I started a thread about this too (in the wrong forum) maybe we can get them combined. I never knew there was a thread for him.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49309

 

[diamondgirl]

My 5 yr old weighs 30 lbs. He is not malnutritioned, just tiny. He was a premie and just hasn't caught up yet. Maybe it's the same with this baby?

Maybe if he's foreign to. You have to keep in mind our children are typically bigger.

 

[diamondgirl]

I started a thread about this too (in the wrong forum) maybe we can get them combined. I never knew there was a thread for him.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49309

There is some great ideas on this thread

 

[imthemom]

Maybe if he's foreign to. You have to keep in mind our children are typically bigger.

He very well might be from Mexico. My husband has three brothers that live in this area and it is mostly Hispanic. Maybe he was abused and the parents left him and went back to their country. Poor baby, I hope he is identified. The boy in the box case still bothers me, I always check the website for updates. I hope this doesn't turn in to a case like that one.

 

[IllinoisMissing]

Hi everyone,

I am new here - thanks Chico! I'm not sure that I'm posting this in the appropriate place and I promise to do better in the future if I'm not but I want to get this post up and viewed by you all.

As obviously you are aware from the rest of this thread - our little boy - Dupage Johnny Doe - will be buried on Monday - with his identity still unknown.

I am the Illinois Area Director for Doe Network. We have done a major press release both in English and Spanish this past week - trying to contact as many media outlets as we could find. The article in yesterday's Tribune was the result of that effort.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-schmich12oct12,0,2098514.column

One of our members, Theresa, also produced a video - which is heart-breakingly sad but I hope effective. It can be viewed at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jawz1JcGENw or at www.illinoismissing.blogspot.com.

I am asking each of you to pass the video to your friends, family any law enforcement or media contacts you may have. It is our hope, and the hope of law enforcement here that by some miracle the video will reach just one person - the one person that needs to make the call - to identify this little guy.

It is a good possibility that his family has left this area - perhaps for Mexico so if you have any resources there - that would be wonderful.

Thanks for allowing me access and I hope to be back soon.

Barbara

 

[Cubby]

Thanks for the information Barbara and welcome to WS. I'm very fond of Doenetwork and check it daily.....

Being from the "immediate area" though a little further east I wonder if this boys missing poster has been placed in the immediate and surrounding towns ethnic grocery stores. Several exist for the hispanic, asian and Indian communities (and maybe Aldi's as it is also used by the ethnic population) We had guessed earlier this might not be a boy in daycare... However, he must have gone shopping with someone.

I'm not sure of the exact location this boy was found in Naperville township, however, my thoughts are if this boys family was a little further north, south, or west access to more rural areas would have been an easier and more logical spot to leave him.

I wonder if having his missing poster at the above suggested places in the following communites might be a good idea, and whether or not anyone knows if this has been done.

Here are the communities which I think would be likely candidates.
West Chicago
Winfield
Glendale Hts
Naperville
Addison
Hanover Park
Streamwood
Carol Stream
Villa Park
The east side of Aurora

I'm not really familiar with the Downers Grove, Clarendon Hills, Willowbrook area's..... if anyone thinks these area's should be included.

My thoughts are the west side of Aurora, Elgin and Joliet it would make more sense to go further away from the metro area. I imagine this person was local, panicked and wanted to find someplace quickly....

Anyone in the duPage area willing to somehow coordinate picking an area or town, and going through the yellow or white pages to find these types of ethnic grocery stores.... and asking for permission to post his poster?

I also think seeing if we can post his information at the womans shelter in Wheaton, and anyplace locally that offered WIC or anything for the underpriviledge. DuPage has a site called CRIS which has lists of those things.

It might be a bit of a project, but I know we have a few "locals" or semi local here at WS... who could do this.....

Sadly, I thought of this beautiful little boy just yesterday as I ran around looking for an emergency vet yesterday to bring my cat, who passed at home. (she was 19). I drove all the way to Franklin Park, only to be a little late but found an open place in Elmwood Park. I couldn't even imagine.... and it was hard to hold back the tears as my 5 yr old was with me.

 

[Cubby]

I still owe an old friends dad a can of Old Style and a Cubs cap or something Cubs related in this same cemetery.....

I think my son and I will have to stop by and pay our respects with something Spiderman....

RIP little man....

 

[Babyslims]

I dont know if this little boy was ever looked into.....

http://www.crimelibrary.com/missing_children/jesus_martinez.html

 

[LMax]

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=889
"The DuPage County Sheriff's office laid to rest one of their own recently. The burial was not for an officer or an employee of the office but rather for the officer's adopted son: "Johnny Doe."

 

[christine2448]

-------- Original Message --------​

From: Cuecenter@aol.com​

Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 9:51 pm​

To: Cuecenter@aol.com​

Authorities let go of body, but not of boy's life​

Dupage Sheriff's Office composite of a boy believed to be 3 to 5 years old, found in a blue canvas laundry bag in a field near Naperville in October 2005.

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Mary Schmich October 12, 2007 The detectives and the coroner will gather in the baby section of a Wheaton cemetery Monday to bury their nameless son.​

He was 3. Or 4. Hispanic. Or Native American. Maybe Asian. By the time he was found, his body was too far gone to determine the color of his eyes, though it is known that his hair was black and the last shirt he wore was navy blue.​

Whoever he was, he grew to be known in the DuPage County sheriff's office as "our little boy."​

"We adopted him," said Detective Joe Del Giudice when I dropped by Thursday. "He has nobody else."​

Del Giudice dug his hands deeper into his parka, shook his head. "Not having a name. That's what bothers me."​

The boy's face -- his various possible faces -- lives on inside the sheriff's department. Two of his faces greet you on the lobby doors. Walk the corridors, and you'll see him in office after office, tacked to a corkboard, hanging on a file cabinet, in a frame on the sheriff's window ledge. The face reminds the officers of their own kids.​

For two years, since the October day that a dog walker stumbled upon a decomposed body stuffed in a blue, canvas laundry bag and dumped in a roadside thicket near Warrenville, the boy's remains have sat in cold storage, waiting for someone to come forward with a lead that didn't fizzle.​

There have been hundreds of leads. They came by phone and e-mail. They came after the boy's photo aired on "America's Most Wanted" and "Without a Trace."​

Del Giudice and his partner, John Gradus, sniffed out possibilities from Chicago to the Wisconsin border. They learned a lot of boys look like theirs.​

They kept searching. They got angry. They searched more. They felt sad. They waited, in frustration and astonishment. Didn't someone miss him?​

"I remember thinking in the nice days of October 2005, it won't be long," said Pete Siekmann, the coroner, who keeps a picture of the boy on his credenza. "Some stay-at-home mom or grandma would say, 'You know, I haven't seen little Johnny down the street in a while.'"​

Some people did get in touch, but it was never the right little Johnny.​

At one point, Del Giudice flew down with the boy's skull to the faces lab at Louisiana State University. The experts there constructed a clay face and a picture from the clay.​

But no one stepped forward to claim the boy with that face, or the one with the forensic artist's face, or the one with the computer-generated face.​

Finally, the sheriff, the detectives and the coroner agreed that it was time. Take their boy out of the refrigerated morgue and lay him properly in the ground.​

"From an evidence and scientific standpoint, there's no reason to delay anymore," said Major Mark Edwalds, who keeps the boy's image on his desk.​

On Monday, they'll do what families do. While a bagpiper plays a tune and a girl sings "Lullaby and goodnight," and Deacon Andy, who ministers over in the jail, says a word, they'll lay their boy to rest.​

He'll be laid out in donated clothes -- little slacks, shirt, tie, jacket, underwear -- next to a burial blanket someone offered as a gift. The casket is a gift, too, and the plot.​

So is the headstone, which will carry no date of birth or death, just the date the body was found, and these words: Son/Unknown/But not forgotten.​

In 31 years on the coroner's job, said Siekmann, he has encountered only four unidentified bodies, and none that feels this personal.​

"You can hardly believe that it's come down to this," he said, "that a life comes down to this."​

Burials are rituals the living conduct for themselves as well as for the dead. But when the officers and the coroner lay their boy to rest, they won't get full peace of mind.​

They say this will never be a cold case, and they fantasize that on Monday out there in the Holy Innocents section of Assumption Cemetery someone will walk up and tell them who it is they're burying.​

There's a beautiful video about this boy at http://www.youtube​

Monica Caison​

CUE Center for Missing Persons​

PO Box 12714​

Wilmington, NC 28405​

(910) 343-1131​

(910) 232-1687 24 Hour Line​

Email: cuecenter@aol.com​

Website: http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/​

 

[comfort80]

This actually brought me to tears. I have a 21 month old son, and I know it would rip my heart out if something happened to him. This poor poor baby. Not only was his life too short, there is noone to claim him as thier own, aside from the DuPage County sheriff's office.

Rest in Peace little one....

 

[christine2448]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1772863&posted=1#post1772863

Just ran across this thread here at WS...haven't looked to see if they line up yet...I remember posting 2 pics on this thread and when I saw the other thread it looked like it could be....I am going to compare stats