Identified! IL - DuPage Co., Boy, 3-5, found in laundry bag, Oct'05 - Atzel Olmedo

[Cubby]

Here's another one to consider, He's from Elgin, Illinois, too!
http://www.nampn.org/cases/ojeda_david.html
Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: August 30, 2005 from Elgin, Illinois
Classification: Family Abduction
Date Of Birth: December 30, 2002
Age: 2
Height: 2'6" (76 cm)
Weight: 30 lbs (14 kg)
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Black
Race: Hispanic
Gender: Male
Distinguishing Characteristics: David has a
birthmark on his forehead.
Case Number: NCMC1074398

Details of Disappearance
David is missing from Elgin, Illinois. He is believed to be in Oaxaca, Mexico.
His mother has applied for the return of the David to the United States under the international civil treaty:
The Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction.
I wonder what happened to the application??

Side by Side

If Davids mom has filed for Davids return through Hague, there must be some proof of parental kidnapping and the childs location. Hague is a strange thing, while it exists I'm not entirely sure how cooperative many countries are with complying with it. I follow a few Hague cases through my single parents forum, Emily Rose Hindle being one. Her father, Karl, is pretty knowledgable on Hague, as is David Thelen-and I can't think of the name of his group right off hand. Both are next to impossible to reach.

I will also share one thing about DuPage county, as I have been a resident here for 40 years. DuPage is ultra conservative and at one time was the 7th richest county in the country. I have no clue where the county stands now ( but they were sued several years ago for discrimination and not complying with minority or making government housing available). I have no doubts that LE investigated any and all children who were reported missing and listed with NCMEC. I'll add it is my belief and opinion LE here is quite pompous which is the reason for lack of making public various information which was previously questioned such as state of remains and cause of death. There is very very little which is made public online or searchable in DuPage. Like I said, I will ask my neighbor who is a state trooper but I am unsure if he has any access to that info. I will also add I can not stand Birkett.... (and he plans to run for governor- God help us all!) In this county they pick and choose based on income. I had a dear friend who was stabbed in the head with a screw driver and left for dead, who recovered but will never be the same. The perp was an immigrant and it is a damn shame how Birkett and DuPage handled the case... the perp got a minimal sentence even though he commited attempted murder. Not to mention, even with my local PD contacts this county still denies drug or gang problems exist. To sum it up they have their heads in the sand.

Sorry for the rant, but it is frustrating to me LE hasn't done more for this precious little guy.
Maybe they believe they are above needing outside help.

Good luck to anyone wishing to contact LE here.

jmvho.

Cubby

 

[Cubby]

Y-DNA testing?

I was thinking about this little guy over the weekend and the thought popped into my head wondering about how or if Y-DNA genealogy testing might open some leads in this case in conjuction with the isotope testing previously done to identify the geographic area's this child resided.

I shot off an email to my local contact here in DuPage to pass along to the appropriate person with the County. (Hoping for better results if the lead/suggestion comes from another local LEO rather than little ol' me). I sent the links to two Y-DNA sites which have been posted elsewhere here at WS (Benjaman Kyle case, DNA results are in thread) along with the contact information for Colleen Fitzpatrick, the forensic genealogist also involved in BK's case.

What I didn't first ask or find out, was whether or not Y-DNA can be extracted from a deceased person. I really don't know, so sent an email to Colleen Fitzpatrick asking her thoughts on the possibility that the combination of the Y-DNA testing along with the isotope test for geographical area is a viable avenue of investigation. Most of that DNA stuff is way over my head, but the possibility of using the two together is intriguing.

Will post as I get (and if I get) additional info.

I'm still praying this little guy gets identified. I've never forgotten him.

Also, I don't recall if this has been previously posted, but there is an 11,000 reward for this case and it is listed with the DuPage County Sheriff's site.

 

[Cubby]

I heard back from Colleen Fitzpatrick, and the possiblity DOES exist to use the combination of the isotope and the Y-DNA! :woohoo: I'm going to try and put her in contact with DuPage by end of week. I hope they will consider working with her. She just amazes me! I'd love to have an 8th of her brain and knowledge!

 

[CarlK90245]

I don't see that this guy has been discussed yet on this thread.

Nathan Jesus Naranjo
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/naranjo_nathan.html



What do y'all think?

I just called it in to the sheriff's office tip line at (800) 669-7109. If there is a reward on the find, I don't want anyone beating me to it.

 

[Cubby]

Great find Karl. Nathan or his brother Alan,(also listed at the above link) are great possibilities. Alan is closer to the size listed for the UID. I don't recall seeing these two boys listed, and from being local to this story, I know it may have been difficult for the mother to get the two sons listed if she and their father were never married. For never married parents in IL, we are a 'default' state so to speak, and custody is 'presumed' (both sole physical and legal) to the birth mother in the absense of a written court order for custody. However, while custody is presumed and an attorney will advise a custody order is not necessary for a never married birth mother (child support order works for in lieu of...) that lack of an actual written order can be and is a hinderance in parental abduction cases. That could explain why we didn't see these two boys listed earlier.

What can we find out about the birth mother? Does she fit in with the geographic areas identified by the isotope tests previously discussed?

 

[Cubby]

It would be nice to have the fathers name for these two boys. There are far too many Naranjo's in IL to search without a first name. :banghead:

 

[Cubby]

No worries Carl! I totally understand. Glad you called it in!

I hope you suggested both brothers as possible matches. If not, I would give them a call back.

Also, the sergeant I am in contact with locally (different dept than DuPage Sheriff), thought the isotope Y-dna ave was a great possibility to pursue and he did email me back to let me know he gave the info to the correct person with DuPage.

 

[CarlK90245]

I hope you suggested both brothers as possible matches. If not, I would give them a call back.

I did also mention his brother, Alan. I left a recorded message, and a call-back number.

 

[carbuff]

I don't see that this guy has been discussed yet on this thread.

Nathan Jesus Naranjo
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/naranjo_nathan.html

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What do y'all think?

I just called it in to the sheriff's office tip line at (800) 669-7109. If there is a reward on the find, I don't want anyone beating me to it.

Heh, Carl, good point. But it looks like a very close possibility to me. I hope you're right...

 

[CarlK90245]

I see that Charley just listed his page a week ago.

 

[Cubby]

Cases are only added at Charley project once they are 6 months old.... Do you happen to know when these two boys were added to NCMEC? That would explain why we haven't seen them before. I wonder if they were just recently added to NCMEC too.

 

[Cubby]

I was so curious to find out when these two brothers were added to NCMEC I called to inquire. Carl, I also mentioned YOU submitted the possible match to DuPage already....... I didn't even give them my name at NCMEC....

NCMEC was able to tell me. 1) these two brothers were added to NCMEC in June of 2009, and 2)that they know the two brothers are alive and were abducted either out of Illinois, or out of the country so they (NCMEC case manager and the detective assigned to the brothers case) are apparently working on that angle now.

ETA: See what I said above about the 'presumed' custody thing in Illinois. I am certain that has part to do with it taking appx 3.5 years to get these two brothers listed at NCMEC. That is a long time between missing date and date entered into the database.

 

[CarlK90245]

NCMEC was able to tell me. ... that they know the two brothers are alive and were abducted either out of Illinois, or out of the country so they (NCMEC case manager and the detective assigned to the brothers case) are apparently working on that angle now. ...

I am just wondering if they have actually seen the boys, or solid proof (e.g., photos) that they are alive.

If the detectives are so sure that the boys are alive, they probably know where they are too, and are caught up in the bureaucratic mess of trying to deal with a foreign legal system.

It kinda reminds me of that Brazil case that was just resolved last month where the father had to go through hell to get his son back even though the mother who took the child had died.

 

[Cubby]

I am just wondering if they have actually seen the boys, or solid proof (e.g., photos) that they are alive.

If the detectives are so sure that the boys are alive, they probably know where they are too, and are caught up in the bureaucratic mess of trying to deal with a foreign legal system.

It kinda reminds me of that Brazil case that was just resolved last month where the father had to go through hell to get his son back even though the mother who took the child had died.

That or appropriate custodial interference. There are ongoing parental abduction cases for which they are not internationally abducted but the jurisdiction within the US overseeing the custodial case/family court case has not ordered an arrest warrant. The Miller/Jenkins case is just that... While Isabella Miller-Jenkins is listed with NCMEC as missing, there is no current arrest warrant for her now non custodial parent(Miller) to return the child.

what a mess family court cases are!

 

[carbuff]

Yep Cubby, got that. So, the child's Mother could be from Canada but the boy spent most of his life in Illionois says the study? Hm, I don't know many people who have immigrated to USA from Canada, I wonder what ties she would have had to Canada and/or why she would have left...

One of the things Winnipeg, Sault Ste. Marie, the UP, and the Chicago area all have in common is an abundance of casinos, many of them operated by Native American/First Peoples tribes. The boy could be native. His mother or other family member might work in the casinos, but I'm also wondering whether if we could display his poster in the casinos, it might be more likely to reach someone who knew him -- an aunt or uncle, neighbor, etc.

 

[Cubby]

I'm about 20-25 minutes from where this boy was found. There are really no casino's in this area. Wisconsin has some, but I only know of two in this area. Both are stationairy river boats in Elgin and Joliet. The majority of employees are caucasian that I recall. I've only been to the Joliet River boat once briefly and to the Elgin a half dozen times at most. I honestly don't think a casino angle would be of much if any benefit from my knowledge of the immediate area. Wisconsin would be at least an hour drive north to the border... and I can't see anyone choosing housing in a more expensive area to commute to work in an area with less expensive housing. Even 30 min west of Naperville housing would be starting to get less expensive in more rural area's.

In this 'immediate' area many of the immigrants are in labor type jobs. Landscaping, non union painters, fast food workers....at McDonalds or Taco Bells.....laundry mat attendents..bus boys, cooks, housekeepers at motels/hotels things like that.


It's possible this mother at one time was in Wisconsin, the UP or even near the US/Canadian border, so you are right, he could have some other kind of Native Indian ancestry.

 

[carbuff]

I'm about 20-25 minutes from where this boy was found. There are really no casino's in this area. Wisconsin has some, but I only know of two in this area. Both are stationairy river boats in Elgin and Joliet. The majority of employees are caucasian that I recall. I've only been to the Joliet River boat once briefly and to the Elgin a half dozen times at most. I honestly don't think a casino angle would be of much if any benefit from my knowledge of the immediate area. Wisconsin would be at least an hour drive north to the border... and I can't see anyone choosing housing in a more expensive area to commute to work in an area with less expensive housing. Even 30 min west of Naperville housing would be starting to get less expensive in more rural area's.

In this 'immediate' area many of the immigrants are in labor type jobs. Landscaping, non union painters, fast food workers....at McDonalds or Taco Bells.....laundry mat attendents..bus boys, cooks, housekeepers at motels/hotels things like that.


It's possible this mother at one time was in Wisconsin, the UP or even near the US/Canadian border, so you are right, he could have some other kind of Native Indian ancestry.

I don't see any reason to assume whoever left the boy there was a resident of Naperville -- though working as a housekeeper might fit. I don't see any reason to assume he was left by his parents, either. It might be somewhat more likely than other explanations, but certainly not definite.

I'm interested in your assessment of distance. To me, "an hour north of the border" is practically next door. People in Boston will drive farther than that to the casinos in Rhode Island or Connecticut for a show and dinner, then drive back the same night.

 

[Cubby]

Your post brought back to mind, way back early on in the investigation IIRC (and I would have to go back to verify this) one of the items of clothing the boy was wearing was traced to 2 or 3 different Walmart stores. One was in Forest Park, IL ( near west suburb of Chicago just west of Oak Park, IL). there are a few lower priced area's to get housing in the Forest Park area, but they are higher crime.... and it would be hard to understand why someone would drive as far west ( unless they drove west.. which isn't as bad as driving east toward the city for work) when there are bigger forest preserves nearer to Chicago than in Naperville area.

I would have to go back and look again, but as for distance. Traffic is awful. From where this boy was found in Naperville, it would be a shorter driving time to get to the ball park to see the Brewers in Milwaukee, WI than it would to get to Wrigley Field in Chicago. Also the cost of housing in DuPage County( Naperville would border DuPage and Kane counties). Parts of Naperville in either school district 203 or 204 ( IIRC 203 is the more desired) are very expensive. It would cost a little less to live in Aurora, Elgin, or further south such as Joliet. If someone was commuting for a minimum wage or lower paying job obtaining housing would likely be less expensive in area's away from Naperville (west, south or north, not east) or bordering the IL/WI border. So yes, an hour isn't a long commute but I am comparing it in relation to the cost of housing vs housing surrounding where someone might live. In the immediate area where this child was found pockets of Aurora and West Chicago have the highest hispanic populations. Closer to the city Cicero comes to mind for a higher hispanic community.

I also don't think the income level of whomever dropped the boy would allow them the liesure of driving an hour for dinner and such. In this area there are a bazzillion places to dine, shop and do everything within a 15 minute drive at most. Each suburb has their own strip malls and conveniences close by. Even the areas that spread with growth, Carol Stream and further west. Far north such as Lake in the Hills, Fox Lake, which were pretty 'rural' in the mid 80's now look like the near west and far west burbs ( Cook/DuPage) even though the housing is newer. I can count 6 Walgreens within a 10-15 minute drive and probably as many grocery stores, laundry mats, hotels/motels..... and a 25-30% are usually open 24 hours within that short distance. It would be much easier for someone to find work within a shorter distance than commuting for low level wages.

I don't mean to sound rude, but it is difficult to find anyone working in fast food in this area who speaks English as a first language kind of thing. Also, all the lawn care people who work with the company hired by my town home association speak no english. They usually go get someone if I have to ask a question or make a comment of some kind. Not even simple english.....


The reason I am thinking it was possibly a parent or both parents that dropped the boy is that possibly if it was someone else they would have reported him missing.

sorry so long, just trying to paint the picture of the area.

 

[Oriah]

Your post brought back to mind, way back early on in the investigation IIRC (and I would have to go back to verify this) one of the items of clothing the boy was wearing was traced to 2 or 3 different Walmart stores. One was in Forest Park, IL ( near west suburb of Chicago just west of Oak Park, IL). there are a few lower priced area's to get housing in the Forest Park area, but they are higher crime.... and it would be hard to understand why someone would drive as far west ( unless they drove west.. which isn't as bad as driving east toward the city for work) when there are bigger forest preserves nearer to Chicago than in Naperville area.

I would have to go back and look again, but as for distance. Traffic is awful. From where this boy was found in Naperville, it would be a shorter driving time to get to the ball park to see the Brewers in Milwaukee, WI than it would to get to Wrigley Field in Chicago. Also the cost of housing in DuPage County( Naperville would border DuPage and Kane counties). Parts of Naperville in either school district 203 or 204 ( IIRC 203 is the more desired) are very expensive. It would cost a little less to live in Aurora, Elgin, or further south such as Joliet. If someone was commuting for a minimum wage or lower paying job obtaining housing would likely be less expensive in area's away from Naperville (west, south or north, not east) or bordering the IL/WI border. So yes, an hour isn't a long commute but I am comparing it in relation to the cost of housing vs housing surrounding where someone might live. In the immediate area where this child was found pockets of Aurora and West Chicago have the highest hispanic populations. Closer to the city Cicero comes to mind for a higher hispanic community.

I also don't think the income level of whomever dropped the boy would allow them the liesure of driving an hour for dinner and such. In this area there are a bazzillion places to dine, shop and do everything within a 15 minute drive at most. Each suburb has their own strip malls and conveniences close by. Even the areas that spread with growth, Carol Stream and further west. Far north such as Lake in the Hills, Fox Lake, which were pretty 'rural' in the mid 80's now look like the near west and far west burbs ( Cook/DuPage) even though the housing is newer. I can count 6 Walgreens within a 10-15 minute drive and probably as many grocery stores, laundry mats, hotels/motels..... and a 25-30% are usually open 24 hours within that short distance. It would be much easier for someone to find work within a shorter distance than commuting for low level wages.

I don't mean to sound rude, but it is difficult to find anyone working in fast food in this area who speaks English as a first language kind of thing. Also, all the lawn care people who work with the company hired by my town home association speak no english. They usually go get someone if I have to ask a question or make a comment of some kind. Not even simple english.....


The reason I am thinking it was possibly a parent or both parents that dropped the boy is that possibly if it was someone else they would have reported him missing.

sorry so long, just trying to paint the picture of the area.

Very interesting and I also know the area well, although am not local. Thanks for the post.

 

[Cubby]

Authorities have found three Wal-Mart stores nationwide--including one in northern Illinois--where someone bought both a shirt and pants like the ones on the body of a little boy discovered in DuPage County two months ago.

The retail chain helped officials cull computer records of their transactions until they found where both items had been purchased together, said Detective Division Cmdr. Mark Edwalds of the DuPage County sheriff's office.

He would not disclose the other two locations, but said detectives are working with store officials at all three to see if they can track who bought the items.

If the articles were bought with cash, or if surveillance systems in the stores were not working at the time, it might be difficult for detectives to figure out who bought them, he said. And because the clothing is not sold as a set, someone could have bought the items in two different transactions, even though the boy was wearing them together.

"But we needed a starting point, and this is one," Edwalds said.

The sheriff's office also released a new composite of how the boy might have looked. It was done by experts at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which has been working with the county since the body was found. Authorities also are offering a reward--$5,000--for information leading to the boy's identity.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0512080241dec08,1,6250916.story?coll=chi-newslocal-hed

New composite
http://www.dupageco.org/sheriff/

Quoting to bump the older post. Most of the links I have checked from this date or earlier no longer work. I do recall one of the articles indicating this purchase was made at the Walmart in Forest Park, and I believe that Walmart is located on Cermak near Cermak and Harlem Aves.