Found Deceased IL - Jelani 'JJ' Day, 25, ISU grad student, missed class, Bloomington, 23 Aug 2021 #2

[TDW59]

Yes, I have always took it to mean that she was referring to a PhD. I can see using the term Dr to show her pride, cheerlead him on and yes, even, tease him.
Simply because he was not on track for a medical Dr.
Now she has latched onto it as part of the legend of JJ.

That you all for the great info and insights!!

 

[Seattle1]

I'm just speculating but could it be that his mother was referring to PhD? I could be totally wrong. IMO this is what she may have been referring to when she said "doctor?" As for financial incentive an individual with a university degree (doctorate and PhD included) in science or medicine generally have a higher financial gain upon employment in the field that they desire than Arts or Literature (that's not always true though with Arts and Literature they could be lucrative.)

OR, he could complete his master's in SLP and then go on for a PhD in the same field with the goal of engaging in research or teaching OR gain a clinical PhD, but then no one would call him a doctor. Sure, he'd have his doctorate and may be called Dr. Day, professionally, but we don't typically refer to PhDs as doctors. A PhD in this field is an accomplishment, but it's not that financially lucrative that he'd be able to take care of his mom that way, as I think was reported or insinuated in the early talk about him someday becoming a doctor.

^^rsbbm

IMO, CBD repeatedly stating "JD was going to be a Doctor" just comes across as an occupation inconsistent with the work or earnings of an SLP-D.

It could be CBD is referring to her son obtaining his PhD but I agree with OP, also an SLP, that we don't typically refer to PhDs as doctors.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Though it’s from three days ago, I don’t believe this video has been posted yet. The reporter shares that according to Jelani’s mom, he purchased a single joint at the dispensary and the FBI is still trying to unlock his phone:
6 Months Later, Jelani Day's Mother Still Seeks Answers

 

[Seattle1]

Though it’s from three days ago, I don’t believe this video has been posted yet. The reporter shares that according to Jelani’s mom, he purchased a single joint at the dispensary and the FBI is still trying to unlock his phone:
6 Months Later, Jelani Day's Mother Still Seeks Answers

Thanks for this recent video news link from NBC5 Chicago. To be clear, the reporter says FBI is trying to unlock the evidence, not unlock the phone.

To my knowledge, call information would be available from the provider by subpoena but any Apps would probably require a search warrant. It's most likely search warrant(s) posing a problem here. (i.e., No evidence of a crime). MOO

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Thanks for this recent video news link from NBC5 Chicago. To be clear, the reporter says FBI is trying to unlock the evidence, not unlock the phone.

To my knowledge, call information would be available from the provider by subpoena but any Apps would probably require a search warrant. It's most likely search warrant(s) posing a problem here. (i.e., No evidence of a crime). MOO

Thank you for the clarification !!

 

[Silver Spring]

Thanks for this recent video news link from NBC5 Chicago. To be clear, the reporter says FBI is trying to unlock the evidence, not unlock the phone.

To my knowledge, call information would be available from the provider by subpoena but any Apps would probably require a search warrant. It's most likely search warrant(s) posing a problem here. (i.e., No evidence of a crime). MOO

Thanks for this recent video news link from NBC5 Chicago. To be clear, the reporter says FBI is trying to unlock the evidence, not unlock the phone.

To my knowledge, call information would be available from the provider by subpoena but any Apps would probably require a search warrant. It's most likely search warrant(s) posing a problem here. (i.e., No evidence of a crime). MOO

Hello, I’ve been following this case from the beginning and lurking here for awhile. IYO do you think the search warrants police issued on Oct. 27 and Jan.5 are for the apps on his phone? I’m wondering why they would need to issue them twice, unless there is a problem with them. For a judge to sign a search warrant wouldn’t there need to be probable cause?
Jelani Day Death Investigation in LaSalle County Continues as New State Law Proposed

 

[Seattle1]

Hello, I’ve been following this case from the beginning and lurking here for awhile. IYO do you think the search warrants police issued on Oct. 27 and Jan.5 are for the apps on his phone? I’m wondering why they would need to issue them twice, unless there is a problem with them. For a judge to sign a search warrant wouldn’t there need to be probable cause?
Jelani Day Death Investigation in LaSalle County Continues as New State Law Proposed

Welcome to WS @Silver Spring. I'm not sure it's confirmed that the 10/27 and 1/5 search warrants are the same. Unless it comes from LE, we really don't know. Sometimes a warrant is required for the operating system and a different warrant for the App, or the owner versus the 3rd party developer.

Electronics have become very complicated -- it's said there are more mobile phones than people in the US. The "third party doctrine" holds that individuals have a reduced expectation of privacy when it relates to information knowingly shared with a third party, including cell phone companies. Therefore, such information is not protected by the Fourth Amendment and police don't need a warrant to legally access it (i.e., generally, regular call history produced by phone co with just a subpoena). But here's the rub, this doctrine was established through the US Supreme Court (1979) before cell phones existed!

Currently, if the phone App has a location tracking component (which most do), it's pretty much guaranteed a search warrant will be required. You are also correct that search warrants require probable cause and the exceptions generally take time, and yet another judge to sign off. MOO

ETA: JD's family are so fortunate that LE recovered his body quickly and they know that their loved one is deceased and properly put to rest. For example, we have so many cases on WS where individuals have vanished, only to later learn they'd crashed their vehicle and the best that these families have been able to obtain is the location of the last cell phone ping. They have no idea about their location because any GPS data/location tracking via phone App requires a search warrant. It's not illegal for an adult to disappear voluntarily, go off-grid, and cease contact. Once again, there's no evidence the missing is a victim of a crime and it can take a year or longer to get a warrant or a provider to cooperate. I recall CBD saying that Apple wouldn't even talk to her and from my experience, she wouldn't be the first to make this claim. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Jelani Day Death Investigation in LaSalle County Continues as New State Law Proposed

Feb 11, 2022

A private meeting was held this week between Jelani Day’s mother and Bloomington Police Chief Jamal Simington.

Carmen Bolden Day, Jelani’s mother, has been requesting that meeting for months. On the Justice For Jelani Day Facebook Page, the family attributes the meeting to countless phone calls, emails, and demands from people. They also are urging people to contact Governor J.B. Pritzker.

[..]

The city of Peru Police Department also is asking for surveillance video or Ring Doorbell video on August 24th from 10 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. in the 1100-1300 block of St. Vincent Street west to Chartres or Airport Road. They want images of a white Chrysler 300 black top four door auto that belonged to Day.

In a new development, legislation sponsored by State Senator Elgie Sims, D-Chicago, would amend the Missing Persons Identification Act by requiring a coroner or medical examiner with custody of human remains that are not identified to notify the FBI for assistance within 72 hours of discovery.

The goal is to speed up the process and address underreported and unsolved missing persons cases, especially those involving people of color, said Sims, an ISU grad.

The bill, which passed in the Senate Local Government Committee on a 5-2 vote, goes to the full Senate for a second reading. Five Democrats supported the measure with Republicans opposing.

In addition, Day’s mother said she was told Bloomington police is not the lead agency. A task force is comprised of the LaSalle County Sheriff’s Office, Bloomington Police, Peru Police Department, Illinois State Police and the FBI

 

[Seattle1]

More on the proposed Amendment #5 to Illinois Missing Persons Act:

Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for HB2708

I dunno -- seems the only change to the existing Act is to add "high risk missing person" to the existing requirement to provide collected DNA a National Missing and Unidentified Persons System partner laboratory for DNA analysis within 30 Days, and excludes the partner NamUs.

Existing law requires samples collected for DNA analysis may be submitted to a NamUs partner laboratory or other resource where DNA profiles are entered into local, State, and national DNA Index Systems within 60 days (rather than immediately submitted to the Department of State Police for analysis). Provides that the responsible law enforcement agency may make a NamUs report on the missing person within 60 days after the report of the disappearance of the missing person. Makes other changes.

I know we've seen where the initial information reported to NamUs that comes directly from the first or initial missing person police report needs to be amended as the investigation progresses. Sometimes the reporting party does not have the facts or intentionally leaves out information when reporting to police -- believing it will influence police to act quicker or expedite the investigation.

IMO, I'm not sure that eliminating NamUs from the ACT and also allowing NamUs info to be changed/updated, is an improvement to the ACT. I worry that perhaps a bad experience by one family with an agency such as NamUs, resulting in a request to eliminate that partner, will be a disservice to other missing persons and their families. JMO

 

[JustCommonSense]

Wednesday, Oct. 13: The LaSalle County sheriff’s office issues a rare public statement about the status of the investigation. They say “investigators are reviewing hundreds of hours of security video” and had conducted another search of the Illinois River, which did not yield anything.
NPR from ISU from beginning pages of Thread 1.

Last seen leaving dispensary just before 9:30am on the 24th.

I attempted to do a mapquest and it does not find St Vincent St or Chartres St. It does locate Airport Rd. Mapquest says it is an hour's drive from Bloomington/Normal. EIU is in Bloomington. ISU is in Normal.
I grew up a little over an hour 1/2 south of there.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the coroner needs to rule on manner of death and clear this case.

Not sure of the relevance, but just to keep facts straight, EIU is in Charleston. It is 2 and 1/2 hours SE of Bloomington.

 

[Seattle1]

Not sure of the relevance, but just to keep facts straight, EIU is in Charleston. It is 2 and 1/2 hours SE of Bloomington.

What is EIU and how is this and Charleston relevant? TIA.

 

[Seattle1]

Welcome to WS @Silver Spring. I'm not sure it's confirmed that the 10/27 and 1/5 search warrants are the same. Unless it comes from LE, we really don't know. Sometimes a warrant is required for the operating system and a different warrant for the App, or the owner versus the 3rd party developer.

Electronics have become very complicated -- it's said there are more mobile phones than people in the US. The "third party doctrine" holds that individuals have a reduced expectation of privacy when it relates to information knowingly shared with a third party, including cell phone companies. Therefore, such information is not protected by the Fourth Amendment and police don't need a warrant to legally access it (i.e., generally, regular call history produced by phone co with just a subpoena). But here's the rub, this doctrine was established through the US Supreme Court (1979) before cell phones existed!

Currently, if the phone App has a location tracking component (which most do), it's pretty much guaranteed a search warrant will be required. You are also correct that search warrants require probable cause and the exceptions generally take time, and yet another judge to sign off. MOO

ETA: JD's family are so fortunate that LE recovered his body quickly and they know that their loved one is deceased and properly put to rest. For example, we have so many cases on WS where individuals have vanished, only to later learn they'd crashed their vehicle and the best that these families have been able to obtain is the location of the last cell phone ping. They have no idea about their location because any GPS data/location tracking via phone App requires a search warrant. It's not illegal for an adult to disappear voluntarily, go off-grid, and cease contact. Once again, there's no evidence the missing is a victim of a crime and it can take a year or longer to get a warrant or a provider to cooperate. I recall CBD saying that Apple wouldn't even talk to her and from my experience, she wouldn't be the first to make this claim. MOO

As a follow-up to my post, I just read a motion describing the search warrants issued. Sharing here to provide what information generally requires a warrant to obtain certain content:

Court signed a pen register trap and trace device on the party's phone, and issued search warrants for the party's WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook, Apple ID, AT&T records, and Microsoft accounts.

FYI: A "trap and trace device" shows what numbers had called a specific telephone, i.e., all incoming phone numbers. A "pen register" shows what numbers a phone has called, i.e., all outgoing phone numbers. Both are typically used in concert. These warrants searches don't record any conversations but can detect burner phones.

MOO

ETA: The motion above is pursuant to a criminal case -- not a death investigation where there's no evidence of foul play.

 

[Silver Spring]

As a follow-up to my post, I just read a motion describing the search warrants issued. Sharing here to provide what information generally requires a warrant to obtain certain content:

Court signed a pen register trap and trace device on the party's phone, and issued search warrants for the party's WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook, Apple ID, AT&T records, and Microsoft accounts.

FYI: A "trap and trace device" shows what numbers had called a specific telephone, i.e., all incoming phone numbers. A "pen register" shows what numbers a phone has called, i.e., all outgoing phone numbers. Both are typically used in concert. These warrants searches don't record any conversations but can detect burner phones.

MOO

ETA: The motion above is pursuant to a criminal case -- not a death investigation where there's no evidence of foul play.

Thank you for the welcome! I generally agree with you on this case and appreciate your informative posts.

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you for the welcome! I generally agree with you on this case and appreciate your informative posts.

Thank you for your courtesy. I also hope the warrant info helps explain that it's possible the two warrants cited by CBD may not necessarily have been the same and/or to the same party.

 

[JustCommonSense]

What is EIU and how is this and Charleston relevant? TIA.

EIU I assumed was Eastern Illinois University, and I don't think it or Charleston are relevant at all. But, someone incorrectly mentioned EIU was in Bloomington and ISU was in Normal. No mention of why EIU being in Bloomington would be relevant. ISU in Normal was of course where JD was enrolled.

 

[TDW59]

My mistake. I was confusing Bloomington IN & Bloomington IL. smh. yes, Eastern Ill U is in charleston. my bad.

 

[Wallendo]

With all the talk about the cell phone, it occurred to me that I have never heard any mention of a laptop.

Just about every college student has to have one, and I would assume his program would require one. Yet I do not recall any reference to such a device. Unless he wiped his computer prior to his disappearance, there should be some clues as to his state of mind, and possibly some link to his final destination.

 

[Seattle1]

With all the talk about the cell phone, it occurred to me that I have never heard any mention of a laptop.

Just about every college student has to have one, and I would assume his program would require one. Yet I do not recall any reference to such a device. Unless he wiped his computer prior to his disappearance, there should be some clues as to his state of mind, and possibly some link to his final destination.

Early in the case, I recall that family members including mom CBD were posting from their own SM. This is unverified but I recall that JD's brother allegedly met LE at JD's apartment where his computer was allegedly located on his desk.

Also, MSM reported on items that were located inside JD's vehicle and I think there was possibly a small device like a tablet. I think the Bloomington PD PIO mentioned needing warrants for the digital information.

As this is an open investigation, I don't expect LE will report on their findings. If JD wiped his computer, I also don't expect the family will share or post anything about that. MOO

 

[TDW59]

Just popping in. hello, everyone! Lots of things to think about here and ty for all the perspectives & info. will read over it better later.

I needed to take a break. When I realized that when I laid down to sleep that my mind would automatically start trying to put myself in their shoes, and particularly thinking about the how. and that it was depressing me. I knew I needed to get back into my life more.
I don't think the how is completely knowable but I do believe it made sense to JJ.

I did a little research. Drowning only makes up 2% of suicides. The most common methods are more violent. I think that is a clue. Especially considering JJ's experience as a swimmer. moo.

 

[GuyfromCanada]

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (WICS/WRSP) — A bill moving through the Illinois Senate is aiming to speed up missing persons cases.

It was filed in direct response to the death of Jelani Day, an Illinois State University student who went missing in August and was later found dead.

The new bill would require county coroners and medical examiners to contact the FBI if human remains went unidentified for longer than 72 hours.

Jelani Day death investigation inspires new Illinois Senate bill