IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[i.b.nora]

I don't think that he could have pulled off double-dipping. The Explorers leadership role was voluntary, I believe. JMO

With regard to my thoughts on Gliniewisc possibly planning on double dipping. It has nothing to do with his role with The Explorers. His Explorer Post was sponsored by the Fox Lake Police Department and his role was voluntary, without pay.

But, when he retired from the police department he would have been eligible for and received a pension. Had he then gotten a job as Police Chief in Antioch, for example, he would have received a salary for that position while still collecting his pension, ergo, "double dipping".

I don't think it is against the law but some people think its kind of greedy.

 

[Cubby]

Really well thought out, TD, I respect your opinion, just don't agree with it entirely. Everyone is banking on the 3 persons of interest having actually existed. If they did not, the whole story changes. JMO

Using your post as a spring board, cady. My reasons for considering suicide as a possibility are rather simple. 1) The lack of any evidence to support the events as described in the radio call, the three suspects.... 2)The 90 minute meeting with the mayor to discuss what would happen to the Explorer group after he is gone.

Those two events happening in less than 24 hour of each other lead me to believe this was a planned.

They say people often seem very happy and content after they make the decision to commit suicide. It's possible talking about future plans was part of the plan to throw people off.

I'm not about to speculate on why he might have commited suicide. Just that the totality of the circumstantial evidence leaves me to think it is more likely he took his own life rather than a small army of experts missing evidence to support the information relayed in the radio call.

 

[Montjoy]

"theory that someone made up" ? Does he honestly think that ONE person started the ball rolling? I am sorry for his loss, but he cannot look at this objectively. I don't expect him to. JMO

I have total sympathy with his son's grief, but I do think that he seems to confuse 'rumor' and 'speculation'. Rumors can spawn speculation, but I don't think this is the case here; most of us considered suicide as a possibility without being privy to any rumors whatsoever, and I think that's likely the case with most people. Treating speculation as rumor is pejorative, and makes it seem dirty.

 

[Cubby]

Ex US Marshall:
http://wgntv.com/2015/09/22/security-analyst-john-omalley-with-latest-on-fox-lake-investigation/

Doesn't understand the purpose of last nights news conf unless to just tell us they got ballistics back and met with Rudd.
Missed opportunity at news conf to remind that there is a reward and encourage the three suspects to turn themselves in.
Thinks this case is unusual and at this point the task force would look better if they allowed someone else to come in and take a look at the evidence just to get a second opinion.

Good points. Nobody has encouraged the three suspects to come forward. Not the authorities. Not Lt. CG's family. That's odd. There is not a chance in hades the task force is going to allow anyone on the outside to take a look at the evidence. Not gonna happen. They're gonna hold that information closer than what they are making public.

 

[cady]

If the tracking doesn't pan out, we will hear that unfortunately, the dog did not complete its mission. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I have total sympathy with his son's grief, but I do think that he seems to confuse 'rumor' and 'speculation'. Rumors can spawn speculation, but I don't think this is the case here; most of us considered suicide as a possibility without being privy to any rumors whatsoever, and I think that's likely the case with most people. Treating speculation as rumor is pejorative, and makes it seem dirty.

Exactly, I know early on I was fairly lonely in my suicide possibility among those I brought it up with and now more and more are starting to look at the investigation and question it too. This was an organic process for many .

Considering his father was a cop you think he would appreciate a thorough investigation....

And while I appreciate he has lost his father I can't help but think his constant media attention is not helping his family.

I really do believe had they not turned the funeral into a hero parade and had they stayed lowkey this would have blown over to the next media story within days.

For the past week it seems the son has been the only news on the story and most of his story is debunking internet rumors which imo just draws more attention to them.
This isn't a family member desperately trying to get the police to investigate a crime, this is a family member trying to control the media spin. He isn't helping himself nor his father nor his mother imo.

 

[vestigare]

Good points. Nobody has encouraged the three suspects to come forward. Not the authorities. Not Lt. CG's family. That's odd. There is not a chance in hades the task force is going to allow anyone on the outside to take a look at the evidence. Not gonna happen. They're gonna hold that information closer than what they are making public.

I got the impression he was thinking they don't think these guys exist to plead with them to turn themselves in. I agree.

During the q and a they asked Covelli if there was urgency to catch these guys and he said something like yes, there was urgency but most suspects just go back to their life and then aren't red hot suspects. Sort of strange I thought.

 

[vestigare]

"theory that someone made up" ? Does he honestly think that ONE person started the ball rolling? I am sorry for his loss, but he cannot look at this objectively. I don't expect him to. JMO

I got to thinking about this and I wonder if someone on the task force told the family that Rudd just doesn't like Filenko and thinks this could be suicide but hey don't worry because he has to wait for our evidence and we think this is homicide. So in the son's mind he thinks this entire theory started because some disgruntled coroner just didn't understand the evidence and opened his mouth and now everyone is believing him and the entire thing is being drawn out because they have to appease Rudd.

 

[cady]

The family is probably being spun just as much or more than the rest of us. If I were Melanie(?) I would ask for a personal meeting with Rudd. Maybe that is a no no, but I would want to know the truth as much as it may hurt me further. JMO

 

[Tillicum]

In the hours after Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz was killed three weeks ago, a K-9 unit trained specifically to track gunshot residue followed a scent for more than a quarter-mile away from the veteran officer's gun, authorities say.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150922/news/150929643/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Exactly, I know early on I was fairly lonely in my suicide possibility among those I brought it up with and now more and more are starting to look at the investigation and question it too. This was an organic process for many .

Considering his father was a cop you think he would appreciate a thorough investigation....

And while I appreciate he has lost his father I can't help but think his constant media attention is not helping his family.

I really do believe had they not turned the funeral into a hero parade and had they stayed lowkey this would have blown over to the next media story within days.

For the past week it seems the son has been the only news on the story and most of his story is debunking internet rumors which imo just draws more attention to them.
This isn't a family member desperately trying to get the police to investigate a crime, this is a family member trying to control the media spin. He isn't helping himself nor his father nor his mother imo.

I haven't been able to keep up with this case lately so forgive me for asking these questions.

What do you mean if they hadn't made his funeral into a hero parade? Are you saying you don't think he deserved a police officer's hero parade? How has that changed anything? Don't you think his family does think Joe is a hero in their eyes? Even if he did commit suicide, which I am still not convinced he did, he served the community well for 30 years and was extremely well liked from what I have read.

I don't blame any grieving family member for coming out trying to dispel rumors that are on the internet.

I don't think what he does or does not do is affecting anything or anyone and certainly not the ongoing investigation. This is Joe's son and his take on things are very understandable.

I have seen other family members in past cases also come out in the media about rumors and speculation. I find that normal for families to do especially since the internet is up and running 24/7.

I think his son needs to do what he thinks is best and what feels right to him, his brothers, and his mom.

 

[cady]

Couldn't read the whole article, just the header. Weird. I have an idea but i'll let someone else venture a guess. JMO

 

[vestigare]

They had no other dog to pick up the scent while the other handler got sick?
SERIOUSLY? This is truly turning into keystone cops here.
And wasn't the high that day 90? Even with 90 percent humidity come on....

If this is homicide and they dropped the ball on this someone has some major explaining to do.

I have some devils advocate I can point out here regarding this tracking here but I don't have time right now.

Interestingly Filenko claims it isn't necessarily proof.....???

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150922/news/150929643/

WOW! Thanks so much, Tillicum.

Gun shot residue is a huge clue. They may have gotten into a vehicle at that time a quarter of a mile from the crime scene.

 

[vestigare]

I haven't been able to keep up with this case lately so forgive me for asking these questions.

What do you mean if they hadn't made his funeral into a hero parade? How has that changed anything? Don't you think his family does think Joe is a hero in their eyes? Even if he did commit suicide, which I am still not convinced he did, he served the community well for 30 years and was extremely well liked from what I have read.

I don't blame any grieving family member for coming out trying to dispel rumors that are on the internet.

I don't think what he does or does not do is affecting anything or anyone and certainly not the ongoing investigation. This is Joe's son and his take on things are very understandable.

I have seen other family members in past cases also come out in the media about rumors and speculation. I find that normal for families to do especially since the internet is up and running 24/7.

I think his son needs to do what he thinks is best and what feels right to him, his brothers, and his mom.

The family can do what ever they want but I am sorry if you can't understand how thrusting and keeping this in the news is asking for a closer inspection of the facts.

 

[cady]

A quarter of a mile is like walking to the mailbox if you live in the country....JMO

 

[cady]

WOW! Thanks so much, Tillicum.

Gun shot residue is a huge clue. They may have gotten into a vehicle at that time a quarter of a mile from the crime scene.

Wonder if they found a casing there? JMO

 

[Tillicum]

A quarter of a mile is like walking to the mailbox if you live in the country....JMO

From same link

"The dog tracked a scent of gunshot residue from where the weapon was recovered to the southeast for about 1,700 feet," Filenko said. "Unfortunately, the handler had to be (evacuated) out. Due to conditions, we had a number of people who had to be (evacuated)."

 

[vestigare]

Quick devil's advocate regarding gunpowder dog.

Dog may have always had false trail. Remember humans must interpret what the dog is following.

Dog may have followed bullet path.

Dog may have followed a path contaminated by someone.who touched joe, his clothes, his gun,.etc... or someone who touched someone who touched these items.

Possibly could have followed gunpowder from hunters or plinkers and it was misinterpreted as starting at his.gun.

Since this dog did not find a person at the end of the task it really amounts to not much unless they have additional evidence to tie it in such as a footprint match on the path...

 

[cady]

I'm thinking about the vest shot, and where the casing was found. JMO