IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[Walker007]

I know there has been talk about a possible drug deal gone wrong. Google "Fox Lake Drugs".

 

[Solitaryone]

Beautiful and completely agree with every word of this! And every single one of those people who lined up for 17 miles was there VOLUNTARILY out of respect not just for Joe, but for his family, his fellow officers, their community and their country. They were there out of respect for the police. They were there to make a statement that police lives matter too. There has been a tremendous amount of bashing of the police in the past year or two and people have been tired of remaining silent. They have seen police executed simply for being police and are done with it. They proudly stood there to send a message to the haters that they support their police. No matter what this case turns out to be, it certainly spurred a lot of emotion with a lot of people.

I agree, it's clear his death effected many people in the community and beyond. No matter how this turns out, this man obviously was very much loved and respected.

 

[al66pine]

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"Law Enforcement Officers Feloniously Killed with Firearms While Wearing Body Armor Point of Entry for Torso Wounds, 2004–2013"
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Spreadsheet shows point of entry, sorted by year.

From footnote linked-references in police chief magazine: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...point_of_entry_for_torso_wounds_2004-2013.xls May 2015, http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=3738&issue_id=52015

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[night train]

I was playing around with Bing today. Gives a different perspective in my mind. Interesting how close someone could have got into a vehicle and fled the area, not at all how I was envisioning. Also, brought to mind with all the trucking and work type vehicles in the general vicinity. Could the 3 suspects have been working in the area or brought to the area to do something at one of these businesses and easily left without being found due to never finishing what was planned for the area? Just thinking out loud. Here are some of the shots. Pardon my lazy post as I am tired and will add more thoughts tomorrow.

Also, does anyone know what the white looking tubing is in the trees? (In the middle pic) Kinda creepy as looks like a face in but no different than seeing shapes in clouds.

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It's a perfect location to meet for a drug deal. Barely off Rt. 12 (a main north/south highway) yet very secluded. The aerial views show areas where several beat up semi-abandoned trucks and cars are parked.

A good place to leave a vehicle and slip into and out of the trees on foot.

Fox Lake's known to be a hot spot to score heroine.

 

[night train]

Beautiful and completely agree with every word of this! And every single one of those people who lined up for 17 miles was there VOLUNTARILY out of respect not just for Joe, but for his family, his fellow officers, their community and their country. They were there out of respect for the police. They were there to make a statement that police lives matter too. There has been a tremendous amount of bashing of the police in the past year or two and people have been tired of remaining silent. They have seen police executed simply for being police and are done with it. They proudly stood there to send a message to the haters that they support their police. No matter what this case turns out to be, it certainly spurred a lot of emotion with a lot of people.

Well said...

Grass Lake Road especially west of where Joe Gliniewicz lived still has hundreds of blue ribbons along the way tied on trees, telephone poles and fences.Lt.Joe's family sees them every time they leave home. Any way you view this case, it's a haunting reminder.

 

[looking4OPH]

I know there has been talk about a possible drug deal gone wrong. Google "Fox Lake Drugs".

Pretty similar results from Googling "round lake drugs" and "chicago drugs" and "phoenix drugs" and.....

 

[night train]

Pretty similar results from Googling "round lake drugs" and "chicago drugs" and "phoenix drugs" and.....

Don't know what Google says, for better or worse I know enough who've used or lost people close to them to heroin and repeatedly heard Fox Lake's the place to score and it's the corridor for heroin to move from Chicago to Wisconsin.

 

[cady]

Don't know what Google says, for better or worse I know enough who've used or lost people close to them to heroin and repeatedly heard Fox Lake's the place to score and it's the corridor for heroin to move from Chicago to Wisconsin.

Were drug sniffer dogs included in the menagerie? If a drug deal was going down, wouldn't there be a scent trail? JMO

 

[night train]

Were drug sniffer dogs included in the menagerie? If a drug deal was going down, wouldn't there be a scent trail? JMO

I don't know, interesting question though.

"Gliniewicz, 52, was killed Sept. 1 after calling in suspicious activity just before 8 a.m. in the 100 block of Honing Road. Police and community sources have identified the area as one known for drug exchanges, squatting and periodic vandalism – Gliniewicz, a 30-year-veteran of the department, at some point was assigned to keep an eye on it, Filenko said."

 

[Chuz Life]

It's near impossible for a suspect to essentially vanish in less than 10 minutes of backup arriving on the scene.

In this case (according to the Lt's radio traffic) - it's times three.

It is most likely that the Lt was killed with his own gun.(His hand was in a gun position and his gun found near his body)

I am a very logic minded person and I still don't see any physical evidence that points to anything other than an intentional or accidental* suicide.

Accidental suicide being that the Lt accidentally missed his vest and killed himself while trying to fake an attack on an officer.

 

[Keefer]

What if someone was waiting in a car for them?

 

[night train]

It's near impossible for a suspect to essentially vanish in less than 10 minutes of backup arriving on the scene.

In this case (according to the Lt's radio traffic) - it's times three.

It is most likely that the Lt was killed with his own gun.(His hand was in a gun position and his gun found near his body)

I am a very logic minded person and I still don't see any physical evidence that points to anything other than an intentional or accidental* suicide.

Accidental suicide being that the Lt accidentally missed his vest and killed himself while trying to fake an attack on an officer.

Ever been chased by Police? I have a few times, it's been while but I assure you it's entirely possible for a determined person to elude them.

Gun position sounds convincing and I suspect it was a horrific injury but apparently he didn't die immediately I have no way of knowing if there was any movement of his extremities post gun shot.

 

[Tillicum]

It's near impossible for a suspect to essentially vanish in less than 10 minutes of backup arriving on the scene.

In this case (according to the Lt's radio traffic) - it's times three.

It is most likely that the Lt was killed with his own gun.(His hand was in a gun position and his gun found near his body)

I am a very logic minded person and I still don't see any physical evidence that points to anything other than an intentional or accidental* suicide.

Accidental suicide being that the Lt accidentally missed his vest and killed himself while trying to fake an attack on an officer.

This one got away when LE was there. This is going on now, maybe I should start a thread? Anyhow, it can happen. http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/officers-searching-for-chase-suspect-in-south-char/nnk7y/

 

[Keefer]

Yes, people do elude the police. People do vanish. People can use methods to confuse dogs. Not everybody who is shot reacts the same way. Yada Yada . I think a thread about people successfully eluding the police would be informative.

 

[Tillicum]

Yes, people do elude the police. People do vanish. People can use methods to confuse dogs. Not everybody who is shot reacts the same way. Yada Yada . I think a thread about people successfully eluding the police would be informative.

BBM I think so too but maybe it would be best in the parking lot? No sense in giving anyone ideas

 

[vestigare]

It isn't a matter of them just getting away, it's a matter of all the other evidence.
For them to have gotten away we also have to accept that Joe saw them run into the swamp, as he claimed on his last call, and that he either managed to catch up to one of them or one of them decided he would rather confront a cop than keep on running.

Then once the confrontation happened the suspect somehow managed to get Joe's gun and shoot him at close enough range that forensics can not eliminate the possibility that Joe shot himself.

At some point during this Joe had to have gotten at least one shot off because he clearly has gun shot residue on his hands otherwise they wouldn't be thinking this was suicide. And during this Joe was shot an additional time whether with his own gun or not, apparently at a separate location from the final shot.

After this the suspect drops the gun at the body and runs.

I know we don't have all the evidence but this would leave dna, fibre evidence, struggle evidence, etc....
So yes, the people could have gotten away but the evidence has to support that more than just saying something could have happened because it happened on another case. Especially when evidence is suggesting something different occurred.

 

[Keefer]

You are actually assuming a lot. If you want to assume it's a suicide that's fine. You might be right. There is much we don't know and I am keeping an open mind. Every time we get new information it changes somewhat on how we view all the previous information.

 

[vestigare]

You are actually assuming a lot. If you want to assume it's a suicide that's fine. You might be right. There is much we don't know and I am keeping an open mind. Every time we get new information it changes somewhat on how we view all the previous information.

What is being assumed in what wrote?

 

[Keefer]

BBM I think so too but maybe it would be best in the parking lot? No sense in giving anyone ideas

Maybe, I used to have a friend and known a few guys that would definately know, but I lost track of them a while ago.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

If the police have a good lead/idea about a suspect, they have no reason to make a plea for leads. LE may be building a case now.
Keeping the appearance they haven't made progress, may be better for the investigation.
Also, it may be the reason why LE knows the community is relatively safe, in that, they have a good idea of what went down already.
The perp may think s/he's close to getting away with this and may be getting comfortable with the idea.

Just saying there are legit reasons why LE doesn't offer details about an investigation.

Then when LE does tell the public there was a dog who tracked a scent or offer other details that hint at why they're still investigating as if this is a homicide, people won't accept the hint.

I've heard it said that sometimes the answer is in what is not said (or something like that).

Give LE a chance to do their jobs (is how I'm feeling right now).