Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #9 *Arrest*

[tresir2012]

This may have already been asked and answered at some point, but I can’t remember:
BC pled “NOT guilty” then his Defense begins the case proclaiming ‘he did it, kidnapped and killed YY’!

Why can’t BC (or someone on his behalf) ask for a mistrial simply based upon misrepresentation or inadequate Defense?
I still don't get how the court system allows the defendant to state one thing and his Defense team to then say the opposite?

Ok saying he did it, he killed her does not mean he's guilty of murder. That is the difference. They may say he was acting out a fantasy in his mind and his mind was disturbed. They have the proof of him seeking help. They will hopefully explain in the summing up. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

So I think they will find him guilty of killing her obviously but didn't the court request mental health evaluations? Perhaps he will be found guilty of murder with sentencing depending on MH evaluations. Maybe he will reveal where her remains are then? Will there be victim impact statements before sentencing?

So he could still give evidence or not?

 

[tresir2012]

I want to believe we may find out where he put her remains during a negotiation in the penalty phase. Otherwise, I fear she will never be found. BC needs an incentive greater than his need to be (in)famous (the whole reason he wanted to be a serial killer).

Even if the jury were to see that others failed him, I don't think it would change a guilty verdict. So, the difference between LWOP and DP is what we are looking at. There is no way he will ever be free again, which is what I think he wanted anyway--fame for killing and to not have to be responsible for himself.

When we hear/see about his life---not being a physics genius, not helping in the home (cooked steak once or something), unemployed, general lack of care of his body--except in wanting to have his base instincts met-- he is a man who did not want to grow up and take responsibility. He wanted to assert dominance sexually in BDSM but that would be on his terms rather than the terms of living a responsible adult life. He was a popular teacher so we know he had the ability to provide for himself and his wife. But, I think the "grown up life" with a vanilla relationship was not something he could manage to maintain. He wanted to do what felt good to him and not have to be responsive to anyone else. He won't have to be responsible anymore--3 meals a day, no schedule, no job, and no need to think about anyone else. We are all lucky that he was only able to kill once.

I wish I could say that I thought that giving up the placement of Yingying's remains was something he would do. I am hoping.

I wish her family peace and comfort. I was truly touched that her boyfriend went and extended his hand to BC's father. Such goodness in the same room as true evil of BC.

Let's hope maybe his father can get her location from him now.

 

[kittythehare]

She is working to feed him ?

We know nothing, seriously.
perhaps if the feds had stayed out of it, local cops could have been 'persuaded' to organise thorough searches on a regular basis until she was found. None of this is rocket science.
Feds in their gilded cages go all arty and we are treated to that disgraceful spectacle yesterday.
And another the day before,
TB arrives at court accompanied by 2 FBI agents. Great look and she did appear to do well but was probably discarded immediately afterwards...
Just like YY.
It's not like Bc is a genius but they might have got more if they had called in an exorcist.
They might have found YY had they moved in faster... In 3 weeks he had time to remodel his entire apartment.
All they needed was a warrant. They got a stooge instead.
case hangs on the forensics.
How valuable really was his 'confession'?
I don't even believe it now.
Put them back in uniform and get them in contact with earth.
They might even find a missing person.
2 solid years and they didn't even find a trace or succeed in getting him to talk!
All I see is victims.
There are more now than there were at the beginning.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Wasn't she a 'visiting scholar' ? Then it makes her official guest is my opinion.

I don’t think so, especially in light of the next sentence regarding official duties. However, as I posted months ago, I would support a law that allows the feds to take over any case relating to the murder of any visitor/guest in this country. The fact that she was a guest just makes this even more awful to me.

 

[kittythehare]

I don’t think so, especially in light of the next sentence regarding official duties. However, as I posted months ago, I would support a law that allows the feds to take over any case relating to the murder of any visitor/guest in this country. The fact that she was a guest just makes this even more awful to me.

@JaneEyre - I wouldn't send them searching for a wallet after the last 2 years!
Just get a proper cop, a real one or a few...
They, at least are accountable for their actions and their failures and it's a great incentive to try getting it right from the outset.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

She's not gonna help locate the remains, not now. Time for that was 2 years ago, it's possible she would have done it if she could have. How does one explain compassion to a zombie?
We do not know what happened to YY, we simply do not. She does not know either, probably. It's useless speculating when what's needed is boots on the ground, a brand new search. Something practical.

You asked earlier, what is 50-60 miles in any direction from Champaign. The answer to that question is also why “boots on the ground” to find her is impossible, because the answer is almost nothing but vast amounts of unpopulated land, at least to the west. I wish I could take you on a virtual drive down I-74 west. There are areas where exits are far and few between and where you are lucky if there is one gas station off the exit. It’s an area that is easy to nod off while driving because there is nothing and almost nobody on the roadway with you at times.

There’s just so much land to cover, that it is not possible to do a boots on the ground search with nothing to go on.

Also, once off the interstate and onto actual back roads you will see entire stretches of road that may have farm equipment and buildings, but no homes on the property. In Illinois, many times the old farmhouses simply get torn down and while the farm and barns remain, the owners build a nice ranch house closer to town, on better roads that get plowed more in the winter. What I’m saying is - uninhabited. There is a sense of complete alone at times. Much of Illinois is like Mellencamp’s song “Ghost Towns Along the Highway.”

 

[kittythehare]

this

Before the trial resumed Friday, Shadid said he met privately that morning with Christensen's lawyers — without Christensen present — about a "security issue brought to my attention." He did not elaborate.
????


Christensen's ex-wife testifies about marital issues

 

[Webthrush]

@JaneEyre - I wouldn't send them searching for a wallet after the last 2 years!
Just get a proper cop, a real one or a few...
They, at least are accountable for their actions and their failures and it's a great incentive to try getting it right from the outset.

With due respect Kitty, I think you’re overly critical of the FBI/police here… I imagine that as soon as BC was a central suspect (within what, 5-6 days) significant searches of all the obvious areas around his apt. were carried out unseen (lakes, ditches, woods, creeks, dumpsters, yes the Ross building, etc. — the FBI is very good at this sort of thing, even if understaffed local police are not). But, for legal reasons, to insure a fair trial later, they’re under very tight constraints over what they reveal to the public. (And for searches farther out, without a specific, credible lead, it’s almost hopeless there’s so much space to be covered). I blame lawyers and legal mumbo jumbo for much of the problems in this case (and others), and lack of public info, moreso than law enforcement (…I guess now I’ll hear from the attorneys on this thread

 

[kittythehare]

You asked earlier, what is 50-60 miles in any direction from Champaign. The answer to that question is also why “boots on the ground” to find her is impossible, because the answer is almost nothing but vast amounts of unpopulated land, at least to the west. I wish I could take you on a virtual drive down I-74 west. There are areas where exits are far and few between and where you are lucky if there is one gas station off the exit. It’s an area that is easy to nod off while driving because there is nothing and almost nobody on the roadway with you at times.

There’s just so much land to cover, that it is not possible to do a boots on the ground search with nothing to go on.

Also, once off the interstate and onto actual back roads you will see entire stretches of road that may have farm equipment and buildings, but no homes on the property. In Illinois, many times the old farmhouses simply get torn down and while the farm and barns remain, the owners build a nice ranch house closer to town, on better roads that get plowed more in the winter. What I’m saying is - uninhabited. There is a sense of complete alone at times. Much of Illinois is like Mellencamp’s song “Ghost Towns Along the Highway.”

Okay. Gotcha. Thanks.
Just this, then?
He kills her violently, it takes energy.
He has a 6ftx 3 ft bag,
He has no reason to dismember her at all pre or postmortem.
He is lazy, that I believe.

Bundy didn't get rid of them entirely for quite some time.. but if he decided he had to, he could have put her anywhere in the landscape you're describing, just taking a couple of hours, body intact apart from whatever wounds he inflicted on her in the bedroom with whatever implement he used?

Why did Michelle fill the petrol tank when she knew she was going away for the weekend?
She states a half tank of petrol was used and the cops did check that out because it's listedin the evidence that she was seen buying it.
But, nobody seemed to check the clock or ask any questions about it. It's not listed in evidence.

I simply do not believe he was good enough to clean that bathroom so well that neither blood nor dNA remained by the time they finally got searching.
But, that's only Michelle's testimony. Not necessarily the truth.

 

[Webthrush]

<snip>....
Why did Michelle fill the petrol tank when she knew she was going away for the weekend?
She states a half tank of petrol was used and the cops did check that out because it's listedin the evidence that she was seen buying it.
But, nobody seemed to check the clock or ask any questions about it. It's not listed in evidence. <snip>.....

bold added...
I'm sorry I don't understand what you're referring to here (you've mentioned it a couple of times)... what clock, where, what questions about it (maybe I'm missing something obvious)?

 

[kittythehare]

With due respect Kitty, I think you’re overly critical of the FBI/police here… I imagine that as soon as BC was a central suspect (within what, 5-6 days) significant searches of all the obvious areas around his apt. were carried out unseen (lakes, ditches, woods, creeks, dumpsters, yes the Ross building, etc. — the FBI is very good at this sort of thing, even if understaffed local police are not). But, for legal reasons, to insure a fair trial later, they’re under very tight constraints over what they reveal to the public. (And for searches farther out, without a specific, credible lead, it’s almost hopeless there’s so much space to be covered). I blame lawyers and legal mumbo jumbo for much of the problems in this case (and others), and lack of public info, moreso than law enforcement (…I guess now I’ll hear from the attorneys on this thread

I hear you.
And what you're sayin' makes sense, but I think we are assuming too much. My question has always been about the extent of the resources they had for this case from the outset.
If they had amazing resources at their disposal it would have happened as you described.
I'd be interested in seeing both budgets at some time but I doubt I ever will.
I agree with you re the lawyers.
It was like watching the state fighting the state with the state budget.
It failed as a tactic and people are suffering as a result.

YY was never found.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I just walked outside and took this picture. It is very possible that she is in one of these narrow groves of trees you see from time to time sort of in the middle of cornfields. If so, no one will ever find her because no one ever has reason to walk through these lines of trees and/or brush. Why are these trees here instead of more beans or corn? Most likely, there's a ravine that can't be farmed. So volunteer trees and brush grow up. Farmers have zero reason to go in them. In fact, it's also where a lot of poison hemlock is, and nobody wants to come into contact with that. It's an excellent place to dump a body.

 

[kittythehare]

I just walked outside and took this picture. It is very possible that she is in one of these narrow groves of trees you see from time to time sort of in the middle of cornfields. If so, no one will ever find her because no one ever has reason to walk through these lines of trees and/or brush. Why are these trees here instead of more beans or corn? Most likely, there's a ravine that can't be farmed. So volunteer trees and brush grow up. Farmers have zero reason to go in them. In fact, it's also where a lot of poison hemlock is, and nobody wants to come into contact with that. It's an excellent place to dump a body.

Wow!
I finally see what you mean...
Thanks for that.

 

[kittythehare]

bold added...
I'm sorry I don't understand what you're referring to here (you've mentioned it a couple of times)... what clock, where, what questions about it (maybe I'm missing something obvious)?

Sorry, the mileage clock, I meant. Should have registered 150-160 additional miles driven.

 

[Webthrush]

Sorry, the mileage clock, I meant. Should have registered 150-160 additional miles driven.

ahhh, maybe a British or Euro thing; in States we just call that the odometer or mileage meter (never heard it referred to as 'clock') -- in any event I doubt many drivers keep a very close watch on it, so investigators probably did ask Michelle if she knew what the odometer read before she left town, and she probably said she didn't have a clue (just my guess).

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Kitty, Im so conflicted having read these. Wow.

- It makes perfect sense B.C. would be looking to sharpen knives back in April. It appears he was thinking about nothing but bloody murder since then.

- The text conversations with T.B. show B.C. as an unrepentant sociopath from the jump and he made sure to tell her so apart from their boring sex games.

- B.C. is insufferably dull as is T.B. He is just some rando letting it be known that he is unstable and dangerous and she is talking about love. Wow.

- The redactions to the ex-wife's text are infuriating. If it is something banal, who cares. If there were private names (redact just the names).

- He was studying and planning for this murder more than he ever studied physics. If there was ever a case for premeditation, here it is.

- It cannot be overemphasized how interesting B.C. is to himself while in truth being witless and vapid. How any of these women could find him in any way bearable is beyond comprehension.

I totally agree with you. There are people who are book smart, but totally socially clueless. Boring, vapid, think they are smarter than anyone else but are as interesting as a piece of soggy bread. Think Sheldon Cooper.

Regarding the redactions of his wife's messages, I've been wondering if she is claiming spousal privilege for them? An attorney would know this much better than I. It just doesn't make sense that EVERY message is redacted otherwise.

 

[kittythehare]

ahhh, maybe a British or Euro thing; in States we just call that the odometer or mileage meter (never heard it referred to as 'clock') -- in any event I doubt many drivers keep a very close watch on it, so investigators probably did ask Michelle if she knew what the odometer read before she left town, and she probably said she didn't have a clue (just my guess).

It's an expression here. Selling cars would be described as 'clocked at'
Cars are female here. Her.
They might ask re mileage 'how much is on her?' or' what's she clocked at?'
I was asking people that question on Twitter yesterday and I was wondering why they weren't replying to me!
Yeah, she probably did not have a clue though she was on a very tight budget.
That was stressing him out more than the loss of her. He'd have to get a job even ! A real job! And he'd been indulged for a full 8 years and he didn't know how he'd exist in changed circumstances, his texts to TB...

 

[Raptors001]

You asked earlier, what is 50-60 miles in any direction from Champaign. The answer to that question is also why “boots on the ground” to find her is impossible, because the answer is almost nothing but vast amounts of unpopulated land, at least to the west. I wish I could take you on a virtual drive down I-74 west. There are areas where exits are far and few between and where you are lucky if there is one gas station off the exit. It’s an area that is easy to nod off while driving because there is nothing and almost nobody on the roadway with you at times.

There’s just so much land to cover, that it is not possible to do a boots on the ground search with nothing to go on.

Also, once off the interstate and onto actual back roads you will see entire stretches of road that may have farm equipment and buildings, but no homes on the property. In Illinois, many times the old farmhouses simply get torn down and while the farm and barns remain, the owners build a nice ranch house closer to town, on better roads that get plowed more in the winter. What I’m saying is - uninhabited. There is a sense of complete alone at times. Much of Illinois is like Mellencamp’s song “Ghost Towns Along the Highway.”

Shouldnt it be half ? Like 30 miles because he has to get back ?

 

[Raptors001]

Nobody is suggesting he didn't do it or should go free.

BUT, connecting the times his phone was out to her time of death is making no sense at all.
Nobody knows when she died is the truth.
He could well have her bound and gagged in his bedroom when he checked his messages.
A phone being immobilised and re-mobilised-,his, is not evidence of a killing or a time of a killing.
Bottom line is FBI didn't put the resources they should have into locating YY, dead or alive or her belongings including her phone.
They had one job, they failed.
TB handed them the case.
They failed to find YY or her remains.
They failed and it doesn't matter a flying whatever whether he gets to roll up his sleeve or rots in a prison cell for the rest of his days after that.
YY is missing.
Where is she and why weren't more efforts made to either find her or encourage search efforts from the general public or the Chinese communities that are living locally?

Not, it is to confirm when they are together, and why he has her phone. More evidence.