One thing we do know is that people's first murders are often not very well planned or executed - which is why most people get caught. Frequently they are impulsive and opportunistic, with signs of overkill.
Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #162
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One thing we do know is that people's first murders are often not very well planned or executed - which is why most people get caught. Frequently they are impulsive and opportunistic, with signs of overkill.
I've googled this before, and done so again now, and I can't find anything about preliminary hearings/committals in Indiana
Maybe they don't have them and just go straight to trial after the initial hearing?
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Those pics are so precious! I don't know what these 2 girls would have gone on to accomplish, but it would have been amazing!Justice for Abby and Libby
Delphi: Unseen photos of Libby German & Abby Williams
Four months after their deaths, the families of Liberty German and Abigail Williams hope that these newly released photos, along with some of the older ones that have been out for a while, will help convince someone to come forward with the information needed to help catch the girls' killer. <br…www.wrtv.com
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Woah! How do you know that he's not current on his profiling techniques? And calling him a dinosaur? He's earned some respect, far more than that.
Douglas is a profiler, a behavioral profiler. Lots of people can look things up in a database, cross-reference, and build out family trees.
I disagree with you that "people spend a lot of time fantasizing about horrible things." Some people, a small percentage of the population, may ruminate on terrible fantasies like that. Yet still, they rarely jump to murder from the get, and a double-murder, via a knife, at that.
Your opinion is equally valid as anyone else's. Maybe just try not to trash the father of behavioral profiling when you don't agree with his comments? I think he's earned that much respect.
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I also looked thru my notes & have not found ANY preliminary hearing for him. He had his initial hearing & arraignment on 10/28/22 - after that defense filed a bunch of motions & bail review hearing. And that is where we are at now - still waiting for a bail review hearing.
From my notes from the last 3 months:
12/30/22: Motion filed. Supplemental motion for discovery & request for Rule 404 & 405 evidence by Richard Allen. 1/12/23 Response to a Petition Filed. Response to Motion filed By: State of Indiana. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland filed a formal response in a supplemental motion for a Dec. 30, 2022 request for discovery & for Rules 404 & 405 evidence requested by Allen’s attorneys. McLeland’s response was filed Jan. 12, 2023 in Carroll Circuit Court.
1/13/23 Update: Judge Fran Gull will hear arguments on the following topics: 1) gag order, 2) a change of venue, 3) a broad discovery request from the defense & 4) another defense request for additional funding for investigators. Judge Gull says that Allen's trial should stay in Carroll County with a jury from another county. Prosecution & defense will agree on what county in the next week. Judge extends gag order for attorneys, families, witnesses in the case. Judge asks lawyers to keep cooperating on discovery. Bail hearing 2/17/23. Parties will discuss new possible trial date then. All agree this case will not be ready for trial in March as scheduled. Judge cleared courtroom of prosecution, family, media & more to hold a closed door request from the defense. Next hearing on 2/17/23 regarding unsealing documents & a bail review hearing.
1/23/23: Both sides have agreed that the Court will choose among Allen County or St. Joseph County to pull jurors for trial. Stipulation regarding defendant's verified Motion for Change of venue from the County filed. Court now grants in whole the State's Motion for Order prohibiting the parties, Counsel, Law Enforcement Officials, Court personnel, Coroner & family members from disseminating information or releasing any extra-Judicial statements by means of public communication (gag order). Court takes Defendant's Supplemental Motion for Discovery & Request for Rule 404 & 405 Evidence under advisement. Court acknowledges the Defendant's Motion for Change of Venue & agrees a jury could not be obtained in Carroll County. Pursuant to I.C. 35-36-6-11, a jury will be selected from another county & transported to Carroll County for trial. Counsel to notify the Court within a week if they can agree to a specific county. Judicial Officer: Frances Gull. Next hearing on 2/17/23 @ 10am. Trial on 3/20/23 has been vacated. 1/24/23 Update: The jury will be selected from Allen County per Judge Gull.
1/27/23: Confidential Order entered by Judge Frances Gull. 1/31/23 Update: Prosecutors are asking an Indiana judge to deny bond for Delphi murders suspect Allen, according to court documents. State believes the evidence shows culpability of the actual crime of Murder, for which bail may be wholly denied," prosecutors said in a response to Allen's request to be released on bail. "That the State believes this evidence shows by preponderance of the evidence that the Defendant committed the crime of Murder." Allen's bond was initially set at $20 million bond after his October 2022 arrest & he filed a petition on Nov. 21, 2022, to be released on bail, claiming proof of guilt is not evident.
2/7/23 Update: Allen's defense team is now asking to delay the bail hearing that was set for next week, saying that they need more time to prepare. According to the motion, the defense said it has “yet to receive the entirety of discovery” from the State & was “not yet prepared to proceed with the bail hearing.” Allen’s counsel anticipated receiving the remaining discovery materials by the end of the week & said it lacked “adequate time to review the discovery in preparation for the bail hearing.” As a result, the defense is asking Special Judge Fran Gull for a delay. If the hearing is continued, the defense acknowledged the court would likely have to push back Allen’s trial, which is scheduled for March 20, 2023. Motion also filed for trial continuance.
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@FrostedGlass - I know I only asked you yesterday if there was any updates in the court docket for him? 
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Waiting with bated breath... No. YAW@FrostedGlass - I know I only asked you yesterday if there was any updates in the court docket for him?
I don’t assume this was RA’s first time.
If it was I see a midlife means and opportunity situation.
Having settled into his position he had, possibly, like many retail workers variable days off including week days.
Presuming his wife working conventional hours, daughter moved out of house, did this empty nester take on building bicycles to pass out to underprivileged children at Christmas?
Use his off time fixing a veggie patch and a welcoming home cooked meal?
Or tinkered in his workshop expanding their holiday light display?
Or was he taking “walks” at a park by himself. Lurking, planning, and practicing.
I’d like to see pictures of RA on walks he took with others to see if on fine sunny days he bundles up double hatted/hooded wearing at least two jackets.
Maybe he wasn’t recognized because he is known as a light dresser not going about looking like he is rough camping and wearing all his clothing at once.
all imo
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In this case, the only way Richard Allen is innocent is if there happened to be someone out there at the Monon High Bridge who had the same body structure, wore close to the same clothes, was on the bridge close to the same time, and carried a gun with them.
As for being on the bridge this person would probably have to have come from the other side of the bridge or Richard Allen probably would have said something about seeing someone else who looked like the bridge guy when he talked to investigators.
Without the video, maybe I might think differently. But the person in that video does not appear to me to be Richard Allen. The person in that video does look similar to Richard Allen.
What a strange case with a strange ending.
As for being on the bridge this person would probably have to have come from the other side of the bridge or Richard Allen probably would have said something about seeing someone else who looked like the bridge guy when he talked to investigators.
Without the video, maybe I might think differently. But the person in that video does not appear to me to be Richard Allen. The person in that video does look similar to Richard Allen.
What a strange case with a strange ending.
Seems RA blended right in, regardless of places he would’ve been seen.
“I’ve been in the business, our business, for a while and I thought, ‘Boy, how’d I even miss that one?” Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby, who’s been in law enforcement for 36 years and whose department assisted in the multi-agency investigation, told IndyStar.”
Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen: Indiana town wants answers about man who 'blended in'
Five and a half years after two teen girls were slain, Delphi, Indiana resident Richard Allen has been arrested in the case. His community is shocked.www.indystar.com
A familial DNA solve for two cold cases, and a use of “hiding in plain sight” by police.
A lot of these cold case murderers getting away with it for decades until tech caught up with them, apparently did not continue to murder.
MOO they seem to form a class of one time and done, scare themselves, intelligent enough to know they lucked out one time.
Extremely hard to solve without DNA. Of course this case is a bit different as it was hard to solve because they lost the prime suspect statement.
The part of L's video that we have all seen offered a visual of the man's clothing and general shape, plus a timestamp of events, which when in comparison to witness statements, makes for a significant piece of supportive evidence. However, I don't necessarily think the video we've seen is as significant to the charges as the video we haven't seen, or the audio. It's in that part, with the additional audio, where we know one of the girls mentions "gun" and BG is heard and seen directing them "G, DTH," thus evidence of the kidnapping. Even if voice analysis can't definitively ID BG as RA (or any other specific suspect), we have proof of the kidnapping. My guess is as to the ID of the kidnapper, other evidence will likely support it being RA (or whatever suspect), whether it's through DNA, other ballistics, fibers, hairs, or something found during a search.
IOW, the clip of BG that LE released to the public is what we all scrutinize and compare and speculate over, but it's likely not the important part, IMO. It was to help someone possibly recognize the man, while the rest of the video will be used as evidence of kidnapping in court. JMO.
RA has an uncommon body type with his pronounced sloped shoulders.
As another poster noted the silhouette as RA was escorted along in cuffs- it is so BG’s silhouette.
That glare too.
Pretty unique put together.
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all imo
Thank you for these pictures. The girls were active, busy, involved in their school and community and strong.
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Makes me wonder, something I've thought about since early on in the case.
There has to be a fair amount of premeditation with murders involving folks who don't know each other, in this case RA grew up not far from Delphi, the MHB, etc. So he knew the general area before moving to Delphi, and since then the MHB and the trail leading to it have gotten a lot of attention in local and regional news media.
I've wondered since early on about BG, how many times he'd visited MHB. I'd say RA has been to it many times over many years. Makes me wonder how many times he was there observing people, taking mental notes, timing his walks, etc.
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An additional possible male witness was Brad Heath. He’s not listed in the affidavit, so maybe he saw nothing of value to the investigation.
Heath said he was working near the trail on the day the girls died.
"(I) had no idea. I was not far from it. So it's bothered me," he said. "There's some things I passed along I hope will help the investigation."
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Along these lines...An additional possible male witness was Brad Heath. He’s not listed in the affidavit, so maybe he saw nothing of value to the investigation.
Heath said he was working near the trail on the day the girls died.
"(I) had no idea. I was not far from it. So it's bothered me," he said. "There's some things I passed along I hope will help the investigation."
As tips pour in, some in Delphi turn to faith
As police expand their search nationwide for whoever killed two Delphi teenagers, some in the community are leaning on their faith.
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It won't surprise me if we find out that he chatted up one or both of the victims before the crime. Small town, everyone probably goes to CVS.
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So.. from the video..
The GH caller/witness saw a vehicle at the CPS bldg from 9 am-ish into mid afternoon, but did not see the suspiciously parked car discussed in the affidavit. Wonder when it was decided the car was a purple PT Cruiser, small SUV, or smart car, as noted in the affidavit.
Per the caller/witness:
“I didn’t know there was another vehicle reported”
“Ya’d think they’d of knew the color”
“They couldn’t tell the color of it”
“They didn’t even know what color it was”
The caller was pretty adamant about the location of the vehicle he saw parked along the road. It was an older model, he said. LE told him about the car in the CPS lot, and we can believe him because in 2021, when the call was made, his narrative on how LE described the CPS lot car was very similar to what we read a year later in the RA PCA. But again, this is NOT the car the caller saw and describes. He claims to not have seen the car in the CPS lot, but we don't know exactly where this caller was and if he could clearly see the CPS lot from his position that day.
GH reposted that video after the PCA came out because the PCA added merit to the caller's statements, IMO. I think the caller's statement is of value, but that's JMO. Maybe LE has already identified the owner of the older model car parked along the road, and found it insignificant. IDK. But it wasn't mentioned in the PCA, and the witnesses who saw the car in the CPS lot likely would have seen that vehicle parked along the road, as well, yet we don't hear about that, either. Is that because it wasn't important to the PCA, or was it not something LE wanted out there? Does it play a role in why NMcL wanted the PCA to remain sealed? Because the driver of that car would know the same witnesses who saw the CPS lot car would have seen his older model parked along the road?
This is one of those details that I keep tucked away in the back of my mind because I think the information will be of importance and resurface at a later date .
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Important to remember, if one of the girls was being tracked digitally, they were trying to get to the park earlier. It wasn't until later that L's sister yielded, giving them the ride.
There may have been pieces in play at the bridge from 9am forward. Moving parts.
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