IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #165

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19

HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

Grayhuze youtube channel
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Verified Insiders: None in this case at this time. Verified Professional, Member michael.gartley, is a Verified Expert in Imaging Science.

RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION
DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Sillybilly]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

- Speculation that is not based on known fact is not allowed.

- Please use initials only for anyone other than victims or perps.

- If you have questions about rules or moderation, please do not ask them on the thread. Just jump off any post to use the Report feature to ask and a Mod or Admin will respond as soon as possible.

- Rumors are not allowed. If you can't link information to Websleuths approved sources, do NOT post it with "I read it somewhere" or "I'll find the link later ...".

- Sleuthing or discussing RSOs just because they are on the registry is not allowed. A thread specific exception may be made by Tricia or an Admin depending on geographical location in relation a crime.

- Photo alterations or side-by-side comparisons of unrelated pictures are not allowed.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

There has been a major cleanup on this thread tonight due to numerous TOS violations. Here are the RULES we all agreed to upon joining this site.

We have a thread dedicated to KAK HERE. If you have an update specific to any of his current charges, pending charges or news, it is to be posted on that thread. For example, dismissals, court appearances, etc.

This is an example of an article and subject matter that may be brought up for discussion on this thread. This pertains to KAK and Abby’s and Libby’s cases. Although sources such as this are approved, you personally have the right to decide how much credibility you give to them. Nevertheless, they remain approved sources here on Websleuths.

Regardless of what is posted in ANY approved source, RA’s family (to include photos) are completely off limits as of this post. They are victims. PERIOD.

If you’re going to reference or discuss a topic (even if it’s been brought up before), a link to an approved source must be provided. Otherwise, don’t mention it.

Decisions made by officials may not sit well with us, but they’re most often made for a reason.

And lastly, STAY ON TOPIC. Please and THANK YOU!

- Mad

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

Thanks.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

If your post begins with any of the following, IT IS LIKELY AT RISK OF BEING REMOVED, along with any of its replies. Please take the time to find an approved source link to accompany the information you post.

“I thought I read somewhere…”

“I seem to remember hearing…”

“I’m not sure if I can bring this up, but…”

“I can’t remember where I heard this…”

OR

“This is just a rumor…”

Thanks,
Mad

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Gray Hughes has obtained Richard Allen’s voice from social media that we would not normally approve, so here’s how we are going to handle this. This is really a Gray area (yeah, I said that )

Obviously as RA is the accused, his voice is of great interest to all, and we would not be relevant in the true crime community if we disallowed it when it is so highly relevant.

After discussion with Tricia, the decision is that we will allow members to fully discuss the voice as heard on Gray’s podcast.

We will NOT allow direct linking to the wife’s social media accounts.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Mod Note:

Thank you to @JudgeJudi for bringing this video to our attention. This video is approved on a one-time basis as it provides a good visual guide for information provided in the PCA.

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

Although a source is approved here on Websleuths, you personally have the right to decide how much credibility you give to these sources. The fact that a source is or is not approved and the reasons why, however, are not up for debate.

Also, if you have a post removed for a particular reason, do not attempt to post the same information and expect it not to be removed also.

Thanks,
Mad

 

[FrostedGlass]

Google tells me both the P226 and the P229 hold 12+1 rounds with a factory magazine.

Does that mean 12 in the magazine plus 1 in the gun for a total of 13 cartridges?

Have we ever seen what types of guns RL owned?

 

[Falling Down]

Google tells me both the P226 and the P229 hold 12+1 rounds with a factory magazine.

Does that mean 12 in the magazine plus 1 in the gun for a total of 13 cartridges?

Have we ever seen what types of guns RL owned?

12+1 in the chamber, with the larger magazine. There's a smaller mag which comes with them upon purchase from the factory. It's thus possible to load one round, then have a full mag.

 

[FrostedGlass]

12+1 in the chamber, with the larger magazine. There's a smaller mag which comes with them upon purchase from the factory. It's thus possible to load one round, then have a full mag.

I'm trying to come up with scenarios where he would have a full box of 20 in his gun and magazines.

When you get your gun ready for firing, do you fully load the magazine and the gun. Then load the remaining cartridges in the extra mag? He had 9 cartridges in one and 8 in the other.

I'm thinking the cartridge (can't we just call them bullets?) in the keepsake box may have been one that he left in one of his pockets. When he got undressed, he found it and pitched it into the little box.

 

[somequestions]

MOO he looks exactly how I thought he would look from the bridge video.

How can you be sure about the person's description from the bridge video?

 

[AC4RD]

In the released documents it is noted that within the 47 second long video as he walks up to the girls, one of the girls states, "he's got a gun" and that the video also recorded him chambering a round can be heard and him telling them, "Guys ... down the hill".

Do the documents actually say "chambering a round" can be heard? I haven't seen that. I remember that there were rumors that one of the family members (and this was second or third hand IIRC) thought she heard a "gun being cocked." Which might mean hearing the slide being racked to load a round. But I don't recall ever seeing that confirmed officially. Do you know? Thanks!

 

[Boxer]

How can you be sure about the person's description from the bridge video?

MOO

Bridge photo is not a strict ID picture. The reason he looks.justnlike I thought he would is about the jist of his expression, face and athletic aggressive walk.

My earlier theorizing had 3 main professions.
Retail mid-level supervisor, Machinist, Printer.

I discounted truck driver as he seemed to be too fit to be a worker that sat all day.

What I saw in common was a man of middle age that worked in blue collar at something that paid pretty well but required extensive training or that has authority that was acquired by promotion.

I really thought mid level supervisor at something like a
4 Wheel Parts. I searched that extensively. I thought BG drove a motorbike up from Indianapolis area. In any case the sharp look he has is a mannerism and characteristic, he does not display it in photos where he knows he he is being photographed, only in shots where he is unaware of the camera, which I think is interesting

 

[Falling Down]

I'm trying to come up with scenarios where he would have a full box of 20 in his gun and magazines.

When you get your gun ready for firing, do you fully load the magazine and the gun. Then load the remaining cartridges in the extra mag? He had 9 cartridges in one and 8 in the other.

I'm thinking the cartridge (can't we just call them bullets?) in the keepsake box may have been one that he left in one of his pockets. When he got undressed, he found it and pitched it into the little box.

Load magazine, chamber a round, remove magazine, add one more round to the magazine, put magazine back into the magazine well.

 

[FromGermany1]

MOO

Bridge photo is not a strict ID picture. The reason he looks.justnlike I thought he would is about the jist of his expression, face and athletic aggressive walk.

My earlier theorizing had 3 main professions.
Retail mid-level supervisor, Machinist, Printer.

I discounted truck driver as he seemed to be too fit to be a worker that sat all day.

What I saw in common was a man of middle age that worked in blue collar at something that paid pretty well but required extensive training or that has authority that was acquired by promotion.

I really thought mid level supervisor at something like a
4 Wheel Parts. I searched that extensively. I thought BG drove a motorbike up from Indianapolis area. In any case the sharp look he has is a mannerism and characteristic, he does not display it in photos where he knows he he is being photographed, only in shots where he is unaware of the camera, which I think is interesting

Very interesting, indeed. How do you think he is looking, when he is sure to be photographed? Would like to read your description!
"A motorbike up from Indianapolis area" - also interesting and similar to my own expectations from the "Before-RA-era".

 

[FromGermany1]

If they LE/FBI now have RA as their suspect and assumed killer, they could have told us the PROFILE, they once created, IMO.

 

[Detective Willy]

I wonder if Richard Allen’s wife or daughter ever suspected that he was BG?

Is all of his family still standing by his side and believe that he is innocent?

 

[CGBSpender]

Google tells me both the P226 and the P229 hold 12+1 rounds with a factory magazine.

Does that mean 12 in the magazine plus 1 in the gun for a total of 13 cartridges?

Have we ever seen what types of guns RL owned?

I've seen the P226 magazines in .40 available in 10, 12, 15, and 20 round capacity. It's not uncommon for people to carry a handgun with a full magazine +1...meaning you put the magazine in, chamber the first round, pull the magazine out, and then replace the one cartridge you just chambered so that you have a full magazine plus one in the chamber.

P226 is a really common gun. Even in .40 it is still fairly common...it was standard issue for several law enforcement agencies for a number of years.

.40 S&W is a bit of a larger round...so it has better stopping power than a 9mm...but that also means a bit more recoil, so a less experienced shooter may not be as accurate with a .40 as they are shooting a 9mm. (See: 9mm vs .40 S&W)

JMO