IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #172

[TL4S]

New entry into RA's case

11/20/2023

Order Granting Order granting Motion to Withdraw Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Scremin, Robert Cliff Noticed: Lebrato, William Santino Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 11/17/2023

Is this AB and BR withdrawals?

 

[MistyWaters]

Is this AB and BR withdrawals?

My guess, she‘s now popped out.

11/02/2023

Appearance Filed Limited Appearance of Cara Schaefer Wieneke For Party: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 11/02/2023

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm not seeing it. Is that from one of the SC cases?

The murder case

 

[TL4S]

11/03/2023

Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed By: Indiana Department of Correction File Stamp: 11/03/2023

Who is this motion for?

 

[FrostedGlass]

11/03/2023

Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed By: Indiana Department of Correction File Stamp: 11/03/2023

Who is this motion for?

I don't know.

 

[FrostedGlass]

The murder case

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This is what I see for his murder case :

State of Indiana v. Richard M. Allen​

Case Number	08C01-2210-MR-000001
Court	Carroll Circuit Court
Type	MR - Murder
Filed	10/28/2022
Status	10/28/2022 , Pending (active)
Related	Lower Trial Court Case 22S-SJ-00369 Lower Trial Court Case 23S-OR-00302

Parties to the Case​

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	Defendant	Allen, Richard M.
	Attorney Robert Cliff Scremin #3109902, Lead, Court Appointed Attorney address 116 E Berry ST STE 1200 Fort Wayne, IN 46802 Attorney phone 260-494-0606(W) Attorney William Santino Lebrato #2170702, Court Appointed Attorney address 116 E Berry ST STE 500 Fort Wayne, IN 46802
	State Plaintiff	State of Indiana
	Attorney Nicholas Charles McLeland #2830008, Lead Attorney address 101 W. Main St. Suite 204 Delphi, IN 46923 Attorney phone 765-564-4514(W) Attorney James David Luttrull Jr. #1001827 Attorney address 101 E 4th ST RM 107 Marion, IN 46952

 

[FrostedGlass]

11/03/2023

Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed By: Indiana Department of Correction File Stamp: 11/03/2023

Who is this motion for?

This is the only appearance filed for the DOC so I'm thinking it's these two.

06/20/2023

Appearance Filed Appearance by Attorneys - Aaron M. Ridlen; Hannah M. Deters For Party: Indiana Department of Correction File Stamp: 06/19/2023

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think it might be this. The lawyer Deters was representing the DOC.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I think it might be this. The lawyer Deters was representing the DOC.

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@Jurisprudence answered my question about that here:

IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #170

Oh. My. Good ..... So, does that mean that he ( if convicted) Could possibly walk after a decade with good behavior? Honestly, I feel even more heartbroken than ever. 2 girls. Gone. Erased. Their lives mattered! Apologies if I am being dramatic, but I had No Idea!! I highly doubt it...unless...

www.websleuths.com

I'm not sure I understand the Q but maybe this will help? The subpoena was served on the prison. The state is in charge of the prison system so that's why your'e seeing the motion to quash being authored by the AG's office. They aren't parties. They were served a subpoena and the state's attorneys (the AG's office) made a motion to get rid of it (quash it) so they wouldn't have to comply. Is that what you were wondering?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

@Jurisprudence answered my question about that here:

IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #170

Oh. My. Good ..... So, does that mean that he ( if convicted) Could possibly walk after a decade with good behavior? Honestly, I feel even more heartbroken than ever. 2 girls. Gone. Erased. Their lives mattered! Apologies if I am being dramatic, but I had No Idea!! I highly doubt it...unless...

www.websleuths.com

Thanks but I didn’t really have any questions about it.

 

[FrostedGlass]

That's nothing unusual. IMO. People interview all the time with LE of their own free will and then stop when they lawyer up. Not cooperating with LE after arrest and then asking for council is I'm sure fairly common. Do you think RA's Miranda rights were violated? That's never been stated by the defense, as far as I'm aware?

That wasn't the unusual part. The part that was worth noting IMO was where they knew he was being shipped off to DOC several days prior to when the motion to transfer request was filed. In fact, the article updated on Oct. 30 claimed he was already there.

I'm wondering how much his failure to cooperate influenced the decision to transfer him, without the proper motions and without the benefit of an atty. Additionally, I haven't found any paperwork noting his move to White Co.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Thanks but I didn’t really have any questions about it.

I realize that. I thought, that by adding it to your post, it might be less confusing to others if they knew why they were named.

I still have time to edit. Would you like me to remove it. I can make it a separate post.

 

[steeltowngirl]

This is what I see for his murder case :

State of Indiana v. Richard M. Allen​

Case Number	08C01-2210-MR-000001
Court	Carroll Circuit Court
Type	MR - Murder
Filed	10/28/2022
Status	10/28/2022 , Pending (active)
Related	Lower Trial Court Case 22S-SJ-00369 Lower Trial Court Case 23S-OR-00302

Parties to the Case​

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	Defendant	Allen, Richard M.
	Attorney Robert Cliff Scremin #3109902, Lead, Court Appointed Attorney address 116 E Berry ST STE 1200 Fort Wayne, IN 46802 Attorney phone 260-494-0606(W) Attorney William Santino Lebrato #2170702, Court Appointed Attorney address 116 E Berry ST STE 500 Fort Wayne, IN 46802
	State Plaintiff	State of Indiana
	Attorney Nicholas Charles McLeland #2830008, Lead Attorney address 101 W. Main St. Suite 204 Delphi, IN 46923 Attorney phone 765-564-4514(W) Attorney James David Luttrull Jr. #1001827 Attorney address 101 E 4th ST RM 107 Marion, IN 46952

When you search by attorney, Greenlee, Kevin, criminal case, do you see this?

 

[FrostedGlass]

When you search by attorney, Greenlee, Kevin, criminal case, do you see this?
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The only think I can think of is that motion he made for public access.

06/08/2023	Appearance Filed Limited Appearance of Attoney For Party: MYSTERY SHEET LLC DBA MURDER SHEET File Stamp: 06/08/2023
06/08/2023	Motion Filed Motion for Public Access to Court Records Filed By: MYSTERY SHEET LLC DBA MURDER SHEET File Stamp: 06/08/2023

 

[steeltowngirl]

The only think I can think of is that motion he made for public access.

06/08/2023	Appearance Filed Limited Appearance of Attoney For Party: MYSTERY SHEET LLC DBA MURDER SHEET File Stamp: 06/08/2023
06/08/2023	Motion Filed Motion for Public Access to Court Records Filed By: MYSTERY SHEET LLC DBA MURDER SHEET File Stamp: 06/08/2023

Good find! (You know where I’m going with this. )
Is Greenlee not bound by the gag order?

A gag order is a court order banning designated persons, such as attorneys, parties, family members, and other involved parties, from talking to the media or public about the case.

 

[girlhasnoname]

That wasn't the unusual part. The part that was worth noting IMO was where they knew he was being shipped off to DOC several days prior to when the motion to transfer request was filed. In fact, the article updated on Oct. 30 claimed he was already there.

I'm wondering how much his failure to cooperate influenced the decision to transfer him, without the proper motions and without the benefit of an atty. Additionally, I haven't found any paperwork noting his move to White Co.

RA didn't have the benefit of an attorney because he denied himself legal representation at his initial hearing after arrest. He said he would be hiring his own attorney.

It was weeks later when he wrote "throwing himself on the mercy of the court" that he didn't realize how expensive it was and needed a public defender appointed.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Good find! (You know where I’m going with this. )
Is Greenlee not bound by the gag order?

A gag order is a court order banning designated persons, such as attorneys, parties, family members, and other involved parties, from talking to the media or public about the case.

I think MS had done enough 'talking' about this case already. I hope Greenlee is bound by the gag order, I think they have created problems whether intentional or not.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Good find! (You know where I’m going with this. )
Is Greenlee not bound by the gag order?

A gag order is a court order banning designated persons, such as attorneys, parties, family members, and other involved parties, from talking to the media or public about the case.

That's a good question. I don't think he's considered an "involved person" just because he's an attorney.
However, if we consider who their inside sources are, then ???

 

[Justice101]

Anyone taking bets on when the (eventual) trial will be if there is one?

I'll take a stab and say October of 2024

 

[Ravenmoon]

Anyone taking bets on when the (eventual) trial will be if there is one?

I'll take a stab and say October of 2024

I am leaning towards a plea deal, but I agree that if it goes to trial, it will be October 2024.

JMO