Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #100

[No it's not]

I am keeping Captain Dave Bursten's comment from the first PC 2 years ago (that was 8 days into the investigation) in mind in regards to if this was a chance encounter, or if the murderer knew the girls would be there in advance. Perhaps it was solely his own opinion or his gut feeling, but he said "I don't think it's likely.."

Marker 25.ff:

All IMO

-Nin

"This is all very complicated and very involved.." quoting Captain Dave Bursten from the PC in link above.

-Nin

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Even in February there would have been leaf litter, perhaps quite a lot as the location was off the trail. The leaves from fall wouldn't have completely decomposed by February. There also would be twigs, pinecones, seed-type debris, all sorts of plant and earth matter that could be used to cover up something. It appears to be a woodland park with lots of natural growth patterns, not a groomed city-type park.

You are absolutely correct. I was unable to clear any leaves last fall and so I just did it about two weeks ago. Zero decomposition in May. It’s too cold for decomp. Even if leaves had been piled in a compost bin they would not have decomposed by spring unless something “hot” like chicken poo was layered in. So there were likely as many leaves in February as there were in the fall.

 

[TL4S]

I strongly agree he had a handgun holstered under his jacket in a position to draw from his left. IMO he is left handed (or at least left eye dominant). Lefties only make up about 10% of the population. Hopefully the teachers in Delphi have been observant over the years as to which of their students match this criteria.

I agree, there does look to be the outline of a handgun in the photo, although none of the pictures are clear enough for me to say without a doubt. I guess I disagree with the holster idea, though, only because of the location and position of possible gun. It appears to be more medial in position over the belly rather than lateral, where most holsters would put them. But even the waist type that might place the handgun in that location over the belly would aim it more downward so you'd grab the handle first. The gun (if that is what we're seeing) in the photo looks aimed back (as expected), but upwards, unnatural position for the other hand to reach. If I HAD to make a guess and say that is indeed a gun we're seeing, I'd say he's right handed, so has it in his right pocket. Even then it's in an unnatural position. JMO

Note: I'm right-handed but shoot left-handed due to the cross eye dominant thing.

 

[FreshEyes]

I have a question about the PCs. Where were they held? And how many people attended (dozens, hundreds, etc). Thanks.

 

[Jabarn]

I strongly agree he had a handgun holstered under his jacket in a position to draw from his left. IMO he is left handed (or at least left eye dominant). Lefties only make up about 10% of the population. Hopefully the teachers in Delphi have been observant over the years as to which of their students match this criteria.

I am not a gun expert at all. All that to say, in the moving pictures, it does seem clearer there is the shape of a handgun under BG’s jacket on the right side, and his right hand is either in his pocket or reaching under the jacket to pull it out, possibly. Maybe if there was a gun, it wasn’t holstered. IMO.

 

[Jabarn]

I agree, there does look to be the outline of a handgun in the photo, although none of the pictures are clear enough for me to say without a doubt. I guess I disagree with the holster idea, though, only because of the location and position of possible gun. It appears to be more medial in position over the belly rather than lateral, where most holsters would put them. But even the waist type that might place the handgun in that location over the belly would aim it more downward so you'd grab the handle first. The gun (if that is what we're seeing) in the photo looks aimed back (as expected), but upwards, unnatural position for the other hand to reach. If I HAD to make a guess and say that is indeed a gun we're seeing, I'd say he's right handed, so has it in his right pocket. Even then it's in an unnatural position. JMO

Note: I'm right-handed but shoot left-handed due to the cross eye dominant thing.

Posted right after you and basically said the same thing. I am right handed, but left eye dominant as well.

So many see a gun shape in the jacket, bottom line.

 

[MassGuy]

Just my own opinion, but I think that the POI is not only relatively skinny; I think that he may have run track in h.s./college, or both. (Thinking that *many* here on WS have assumed the POI is much sturdier built, all due to the heavy "disguise" of the jacket, thickness of the sleeves, baggy jeans, etc.) Bet he's in pretty good shape physically...having grown up in/near Delphi (tons of confidence walking on the bridge; that is definitely *not* the walk of a first-timer on that bridge).

When the public finally finds out who the POI is, my "spidey sense" tells me that locals in Delphi will not only be shocked at who this is; they will say "Yeah, that does make sense: He went to Delphi H.S., so of course he knows the Monon High Bridge Trail very well [nothing against Delphi or the h.s. there, by the way], was very good in track & field, and... so hard to believe it's him! No wonder we never thought of *him*...

Meanwhile, the POI feels relatively "safe" -- at least, temporarily safe. Figures that no one will "suss" him out, since he doesn't "fit" the typical profile (whatever "typical" looks like, right?).

**Bold font added by me to quote by @rosesfromangels

The height and weight range that law enforcement believes him to be, would make him overweight, and not “skinny.”

► THE SUSPECT: Police continue to look for a white male between 5-foot-6 and 5-foot-10, weighing 180 to 200 pounds, with reddish brown hair

You believe they are wrong?

Delphi murders: Is Abby and Libby’s killer one of Delphi’s own? ISP says, yes

 

[Tiger Stripes]

The height and weight range that law enforcement believes him to be, would make him overweight, and not “skinny.”

You believe they are wrong?

My *theory* only; I'm not LE, and don't have the information at my disposal that they already know. One part of my "theory"/opinion is that someone overweight would probably not be walking quite so confidently on the High Bridge -- and especially so, if they were about to do what ended up transpiring. But again -- just my own opinion.

 

[EarthtoMel]

Haven't been on in a while, just nerding about doing my finals and came across this old interview. Ed Kemper's personality is how I imagine the perpetrator in this case may be, random but calculated; confused and disconnected. It;

It's scary how smart Ed Kemper was. He knew to look at his watch and use psychology to try to put his victims at ease....How creepy!!

 

[gregjrichards]

I’m so sad we reached the hundredth thread and this monster has still not been apprehended. Let’s all hope we don’t have many threads to go before he is. Thank you to each and everyone of you has posted in every thread in support of justice for Abigail and Liberty.

 

[Jabarn]

My *theory* only; I'm not LE, and don't have the information at my disposal that they already know. One part of my "theory"/opinion is that someone overweight would probably not be walking quite so confidently on the High Bridge -- and especially so, if they were about to do what ended up transpiring. But again -- just my own opinion.

He looks “husky” (to be polite) in the video from Libby’s phone to me... I wouldn’t say necessarily overweight at all, and definitely not obese.

The new sketch has such a long neck and thin face, I could see how he might be construed as skinny, but that doesn’t match the actual video images.

I see why it’s so hard to imagine the new sketch on the body from the actual footage.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

Yessss....
And I would be surprised if he wasn’t now sporting a beard.
His hair seems distinctive too...wiry.
Quite noticeable features all around.
There needs to be a doubled down effort to promote that sketch to the surrounding areas; closest big city.
He’s there....we gotta smoke him out.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Am just wondering: How is it even possible that students at nearby universities have *not* seen BG younger-version sketch posted *all.over.their.campus*? (While we know it's true that many students walk w/their heads down, with their eyes intently focused on the screen of their phones, *surely* area university students must look up from time to time to enter/leave buildings on campus -- places with lobbies and entrance areas where **surely** these sketches have been posted.)

Or... (ideas percolating here)... could it be that various universities within a 30-45-minute, even an hour's, radius simply send out a campus text alert "blast" message, so that the students *have* seen BG -- yet (perhaps) many instantly deleted the text, assuming that it was an older guy (based on a quick glance at the jacket & jeans).

Wondering if any WS-ers here have friends/family who attend one of the area universities, who might be able to verify that their friend/relative has received at least one "blast text" with high-priority info. regarding this individual/this case in the last 2 years and nearly 3 months?

 

[WichitaFalls]

Delete . . . wrong thread.

 

[TL4S]

He looks “husky” (to be polite) in the video from Libby’s phone to me... I wouldn’t say necessarily overweight at all, and definitely not obese.

The new sketch has such a long neck and thin face, I could see how he might be construed as skinny, but that doesn’t match the actual video images.

I see why it’s so hard to imagine the new sketch on the body from the actual footage.

Exactly how I'd describe him. The new sketch did throw us all, I think. The more I look at the new sketch, though, the fuller his cheeks appear, IMO.

I don't see any weight issues that would hinder him crossing the bridge, nor do I necessarily see an athlete. My word for the day..."Average."

I think it's human nature to form the unknown into something more familiar. We all do it. So we have a grainy video, a snippet of a voice, and a ballpark sketch. If we look around enough at people who strike us as suspicious, we might subconsciously force a square peg into the round hole. JMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

I am somewhat confused regarding the “gun” in his pocket or pockets. The still photos I see look like there is a long barrel gun in this right front jean pocket or something that gives the illusion of a barrel but then the next picture shown side by side I see that same form on his left pant leg. I can also see what might be his right hand on a gun handle but I don’t see that as pointing up. Not sure what you all see that I don’t and maybe it’s just the distorted pixels that I see
ETA photo

Odd thing about these two pics is one pic looks like he has a full head of reddish brown hair and the other pic looks like he is wearing a hoodie or hat on his head imo.

 

[SassySquatch]

Wondering if any WS-ers here have friends/family who attend one of the area universities, who might be able to verify that their friend/relative has received at least one "blast text" with high-priority info. regarding this individual/this case in the last 2 years and nearly 3 months?

My boss’s daughter goes to Purdue. I’ll ask her tomorrow.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Exactly how I'd describe him. The new sketch did throw us all, I think. The more I look at the new sketch, though, the fuller his cheeks appear, IMO.

I don't see any weight issues that would hinder him crossing the bridge, nor do I necessarily see an athlete. My word for the day..."Average."

I think it's human nature to form the unknown into something more familiar. We all do it. So we have a grainy video, a snippet of a voice, and a ballpark sketch. If we look around enough at people who strike us as suspicious, we might subconsciously force a square peg into the round hole. JMO

My son at 5’10 1/2 and 185 is much thinner than this guy. Unsub is indeed rather husky even if he is wearing multi layers. ETA - my son commonly wears multi layers and he looks much thinner than the POI.

 

[TheVisual]

Kemper had an overbearing mother. Do we think BG might have Mother issues too?

Yes and estranged daughter issues too.

 

[Snoop Sister]

The vehicle wasn’t necessarily there until 5; it was gone by that point.

Those were time ranges, and not specific.

I think he killed the girls, walked back to his vehicle, and got the hell out of there.

Agreed!

 

[Jabarn]

Odd thing about these two pics is one pic looks like he has a full head of reddish brown hair and the other pic looks like he is wearing a hoodie or hat on his head imo.

And the video doesn’t clear up the issue completely, but it is helpful. I do detect the brim of a hat. Not completely sure, but a little more confident he is wearing a hat with a brim/bill/visor, or (ETA- the background noise is awful) MAYBE a hoodie that comes across his forehead, after watching the vid again.