Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #101

[MistyWaters]

That’s a staggering number.

I’d be curious to know how many came from the general area, and how many came from other states.

Someone in the community has the best chance of providing valuable information.

Yes, I’d be curious how many were local tips as well. When this case gets solved it wouldn’t surprise me if LE received a tip early on but there just wasn’t enough critical information for it to glow “this is it!”

I think too large a volume of tips can be a hindrance if LE doesn’t have enough time to properly process each of them and obtain adequate detail. Quantity versus quality...

Feb 27, 2017 - just two weeks later:

“There have been about 10,000 tips received so far via e-mail and phone. 1,000 of those tips have come in since Saturday....”
Reward increased to $100,000+ in Delphi murders

 

[sunshineray]

Interesting findings by homicide LE in this article about the use of DNA and matching offenders to other crimes. 2/3's of the matches weren't for additional rapes or murders. That's quite a large percentage and is actually very disheartening and surprising to me. Maybe though, part of this changed LE strategy was moving away from thinking they were looking for a repeat criminal and realizing it was some one who didn't fit that bill, someone who was new to murder? Just thinking out loud.

"Amid all of those hits was a startling realization to homicide detectives. “A lot of these serial rapists and killers float under the radar, and people always expect that if they’ve been arrested before, it’s for violent crime. That’s absolutely what we expected. But what we found out was that two-thirds of the matches we were getting on rapes and murders were people who had been arrested for property crimes, drugs, or white-collar crimes.”

Halfway Across: The Delphi Murders

 

[MistyWaters]

I think that may have already happened with the OBG sketch. MOO.

The same thought had crossed my mind too.

 

[tresir2012]

What a proactive way to murder people. Study forensics. Food for thought, thanks.

It happened with the GSK. That's why he was uncaught till DNA came on the scene, which he hadnt learned about in the '70's.

 

[BNA]

Yes. A younger gal from Delphi was on here briefly ten months after the murders and elaborated about the so-called "BOB" code (Bottom Of Bridge). Her comments start here:

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #77

Lurking since I first heard of the case....when a couple of prominent individuals added to the reward total. Up until now, that angle has been my focus, and I am not entirely giving up on that. Your post leads me to rethink that, though.

As with most folks here, I have been unable to read all the posts. However, I find your post to be possibly the most informative/enlightening of all that I have read.

 

[tresir2012]

That’s a staggering number.

I’d be curious to know how many came from the general area, and how many came from other states.

Someone in the community has the best chance of providing valuable information.

I would love to know that as well as the 'hit parade' of tip line POI's.

Here at number 1........

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I’d be curious how many were local tips as well. When this case gets solved it wouldn’t surprise me if LE received a tip early on but there just wasn’t enough critical information for it to glow “this is it!”

I think too large a volume of tips can be a hindrance if LE doesn’t have enough time to properly process each of them and obtain adequate detail. Quantity versus quality...

Feb 27, 2017 - just two weeks later:

“There have been about 10,000 tips received so far via e-mail and phone. 1,000 of those tips have come in since Saturday....”
Reward increased to $100,000+ in Delphi murders

Standard practice is to prioritize the tips, with the specific and credible ones being investigated first.

Once they reach the tips about people who have been discovered via social media, they know they’re in trouble.

I’m sure the vast majority are that type.

 

[pepper 34]

I just had a thought about what might have prompted the girls to begin recording him.

What if he came onto the bridge from the direction they were heading, passed them (facing each other), then shortly after did a U-turn and walked back the way he had come, following them? Maybe not having even gone all the way to the other end (the end they had come from - sorry I get the north and south mixed up). If someone passed me on a trail, let alone a bridge, and then I noticed them following me shortly after, I'd be terrified.

Do we know for sure which end of the bridge he walked onto before he started following the girls?

Jmo.
Maybe exactly that, Ellie1... Having come from the woods at the south end of the bridge, he already knows there's no potential witnesses in the south woods areas. He stepped onto the south end of the bridge and passed the girls coming along in the opposite direction. Then he walked just far enough along the bridge to see that nobody else was on the bridge all the way to the north end. So, then he can safely turn around and go back to where the girls are... confident that nobody will see him force them off the bridge. Of course, we can't know if that's what he did but, it would be the best and safest plan for him and the worst possible plan for the girls.
Jmo.

 

[Gumbeaux]

Delphi Double Homicide Investigation Tip Information
Update May 13th

The bulletin reads “person or persons,” - is that new verbiage? I thought one suspect was emphasized at the 4/22 press conference.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Standard practice is to prioritize the tips, with the specific and credible ones being investigated first.

Once they reach the tips about people who have been discovered via social media, they know they’re in trouble.

I’m sure the vast majority are that type.

They have to triage through the “intuition” and “dream leads”. People don’t realize how much they delay justice by cluttering up the lead box with tea leaf readings.

 

[IceyIllusion]

I live not too far from Delphi and I have been wanting to take a field trip out to the bridge just to kind of experience the surroundings and see the area for myself. Anyone else been there?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I live not too far from Delphi and I have been wanting to take a field trip out to the bridge just to kind of experience the surroundings and see the area for myself. Anyone else been there?

I’m not that far. About a hundred miles. It’s the last place I want to visit. That killer is still out there! You are a brave soul.
Seriously!

 

[Cutiekitty]

Yes they could IF LE is certain who did this, as some posters profess. That's the angle I was taking. Some posters are positive LE knows. In that hypothetical, if LE is so darn certain then they would have overwhelming probable cause.

Sometimes LE knows, but the evidence is all circumstantial. Sometimes LE knows and has evidence, but the prosecutor wants more before moving forward. They want an airtight case. The 2 sketches in this case might be why LE and/or the prosecutor want more before moving forward. Don’t want to go to trial and lose. Double jeopardy.

 

[SilentRogue]

Thanks.

RSBM:
If you have a tip, no matter how insignificant you feel it might be, contact us by email at abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or phone at 844-459-5786.

Note the caveat: Please refrain from sending investigative information.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Note the caveat: Please refrain from sending investigative information.

What exactly is “investigative information”?

 

[Blue Amethyst]

Thank you for the answers. That is what I thought, that probably if one has been across it once, they do not feel the need to and some don't and even that some never would. I would probably walk up to it and take in the view, I would not cross it. The pics make it look as though some boards are not great, or gone, etc.

ETA: My reason for wondering relating to this case is wondering whether BG could have counted on randomly any person being on the bridge necessarily, much less two girls...

I would think there would be a huge liability if someone ever fell off that old bridge. I am surprised it wasn’t gated off a long time ago. I can’t remember from two years ago if the railroad company gave it to the county. I am sure we discussed it at the time. I know they want to restore it but certainly they would put sides on it.

 

[SilentRogue]

What exactly is “investigative information”?

Sending in tips along the lines of:

"Have you considered this technique I saw on CSI?"

"Have you considered zooming in on the photo like I did on my iPhone and outlining what's in his pocket?"

"Have you considered DNA tests on everyone voluntarily in town for use in forensic genealogy?"

This list isn't exclusive, its some of the ideas I've seen referenced in these threads.

 

[Jax49]

Sending in tips along the lines of:

"Have you considered this technique I saw on CSI?"

"Have you considered zooming in on the photo like I did on my iPhone and outlining what's in his pocket?"

"Have you considered DNA tests on everyone voluntarily in town for use in forensic genealogy?"

This list isn't exclusive, its some of the ideas I've seen referenced in these threads.

They must pull their hair out when they get such "helpful suggestions". moo

 

[Cutiekitty]

I'm no fan of GH, but I do think that some of his videos do a pretty good job of showing distances and layout of the park and bridge. While the reenactments may be off, I think parts of his videos are accurate, at least in the way he shows the various places on the bridge where Abby was standing in her picture, where Libby may have been when she took the video, etc.

The one I saw was helpful with giving me an idea of the general area. The animation was unnecessary imo. The ones by other YTers with actual people are even worse. I think some people are taking the videos as the gospel and they shouldn’t.

 

[Cutiekitty]

BG video Frame # 48

This is the last frame, frame # 48, from the new extended ISP video. We have altogether 48 individual frames:

(click to enlarge)

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This is the frame IMO, that ISP based their very first publication of BG - together with the second picture) on their website. It is also possible, that they eliminated that particular frame from the video. Just IMO.

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As you can see, this very first pic of BG is of better quality.

I took this initial pic of BG and eliminated the background for clarity:

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Hope it helps.

ALL IMO

-Nin

It does help...Thank you! Looks like he’s wearing one of those hoodies with a pocket in front and he’s got one hand in it. Got one just like that and sometimes I’ll throw my phone, wallet and keys in when I run out. Still don’t see the gun outline a lot of people are seeing. Is it supposed to be in the hoodie pocket (if that is an actual pocket) the blue jacket pocket, or somewhere else?