Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[ShHolmz]

Hmmmmm! Very interesting, indeed!! I'd forgotten about those. But if they HAVE a witness and BG made mistakes, why don't they have him yet? They keep saying they need "one tip." Why do they need a tip if they have the witness? What am I missing here?

IMO. The vehicle/ driver parked at the old building ?

 

[bradfordsleuth]

All of the new observations and statements from Carter have been puzzled over, certainly.

BG left clues, being caught on video is huge. What other clues could there be? Even if the video is it alone, that’s a big mess up and clue. For two years, that vid has been looked at by the public, and the investigators. One day, I hope one of them finds a way to present it in a way that is a game changer (and any other clues). We will see.

Perhaps BG dropped something at the scene? Something that indicates he is either local or frequents Delphi on a regular basis?

JMO

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Hmmmmm! Very interesting, indeed!! I'd forgotten about those. But if they HAVE a witness and BG made mistakes, why don't they have him yet? They keep saying they need "one tip." Why do they need a tip if they have the witness? What am I missing here?

Perhaps the tip and the witness go hand-in-hand?
Maybe they're looking for some additional corroboration that places the witness near the scene.
Could the witness be a minor?

Just thinking out loud and JMO

 

[Jabarn]

Perhaps BG dropped something at the scene? Something that indicates he is either local or frequents Delphi on a regular basis?

JMO

I just don’t know. It could be something like that. It could be DNA, or footprints a discarded piece of clothing or a something kept in a pocket. It could also be a clue like a car. Not hearing much about that lately.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Hmmmmm! Very interesting, indeed!! I'd forgotten about those. But if they HAVE a witness and BG made mistakes, why don't they have him yet? They keep saying they need "one tip." Why do they need a tip if they have the witness? What am I missing here?

Perhaps no one has that one tip? Or knows what it is? I honestly think that one tip is an eyewitness or someone that heard BG confess. But, let’s say the one tip that is needed requires someone to basically “put two and two together”. Witnesses, or those that knew BG’s whereabouts that day, would need to know what details to recognize. Without a profile of the suspect based on the evidence, that window is closing quickly, if it has not already passed. The relative or acquaintance or witness doesn’t know enough to come forward. In other words, the lack of information could cause the person who might actually HAVE that one tip to be unable to come to the correct conclusion.

I am not discrediting or second guessing LE’s approach. I agree with an earlier poster that this case will likely be solved by DNA. If BG is a violent, raging misfit, or involved with drugs, he will mess up again, and he will get DNA tested under the new felon DNA law. If they have usable DNA from the scene, BG will be caught. And technologies keep improving, the databases are growing. It will take time.

However, someone under the radar and with a motive of obsession and sexual assault - that may be the scariest BG of all. He may never even get a traffic ticket, let alone be arrested for felonious actions. But sadly, though it may take years, he will kill again. We all hope and pray it won’t come to that. If it is this second type, we really may be talking about a serial killer.

All that said above is all IMO.

But this part is fact:

LE will not let this case go cold. They absolutely, positively will not stop looking for this . Ever.

They most definitely ARE coming for you, BG.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I just don’t know. It could be something like that. It could be DNA, or footprints a discarded piece of clothing or a something kept in a pocket. It could also be a clue like a car. Not hearing much about that lately.

Your right!! Radio silence about the car lately.
It has come up often in these threads that since we haven't heard anything, maybe LE got the answer they needed....which, in my hopeful opinion, could take them 1 step closer to an arrest.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

No, but it’s reasonable to speculate that one was killed then the other. How would BG do it simultaneously?

Unless...there were more than one BG? We were told that BG was alone. But what if not? What if “guys” was addressed to his buddies? “Guys, take them down the hill?” Who know at this point? I can’t even rule out a woman, remember “the couple under the bridge” that was never found?

 

[borndem]

It could be that the evidence they have cannot be used in court, but I have no guess as to what that could be -- maybe a witness who now cannot be found, or one who is now deceased, or one who would refuse to testify in court, etc. , and LE does not have it on tape, or there is something wrong with the recording, IDK.

 

[Jabarn]

Unless...there were more than one BG? We were told that BG was alone. But what if not? What if “guys” was addressed to his buddies? “Guys, take them down the hill?” Who know at this point?

I think that is important to address. My theory has always been they were stalked like a lone wolf would deer. But since I am not sure if he tracked them over the bridge, or came up on them from under the bridge, it would be hard to know if there was an accomplice at the point waiting at the down the hill area, since only BG was caught on the film. It is a possibility, and maybe if so, both have been very secretive.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Unless...there were more than one BG? We were told that BG was alone. But what if not? What if “guys” was addressed to his buddies? “Guys, take them down the hill?” Who know at this point? I can’t even rule out a woman, remember “the couple under the bridge” that was never found?

It could certainly explain why there were two sketches!

 

[BlueShoe]

I just watched the ID episode ‘Still a Mystery’”Down The Hill” .
They say there’s additional audio and video but not released as it’s only information known to their killer.

But Libby’s mother does say that Libby said something like, ‘well the path ends here, we can’t go any farther”. :cry: And Libby’s sweet sister, my heart breaks for her, but also for all of both of their family.
Nothing really new otherwise, I’m sure most here have already seen it anyway, I’m always behind .
It’s just so horrific what those sweet precious girls were put through, I hope and pray they find this psycho killer, and very soon.

If this is true, it seems to indicate that the girls were at the end of the path (wherever it ends) and were not overtaken by BG until that point. That means he was not controlling or leading them down from the bridge, unless I am misunderstanding. MOO

 

[susiQ]

IMO. The vehicle/ driver parked at the old building ?

Yeah, but they've had that for 2 plus years and nothing

 

[Charlot123]

Yeah, but they've had that for 2 plus years and nothing

Or maybe, the driver(s) confirmed their alibis? So the car is of no relevance any longer?

 

[susiQ]

Your right!! Radio silence about the car lately.
It has come up often in these threads that since we haven't heard anything, maybe LE got the answer they needed....which, in my hopeful opinion, could take them 1 step closer to an arrest.

JMO

Even if I don't appear optimistic in that regard, I hope very much that you are right and I am wrong. It would be a pleasure to eat humble pie on that account I'll try to work on my optimism!

 

[flashy09]

If this is true, it seems to indicate that the girls were at the end of the path (wherever it ends) and were not overtaken by BG until that point. That means he was not controlling or leading them down from the bridge, unless I am misunderstanding. MOO

Yes, I think they were pretty much off and needing to go back the other way when they were trapped by BG. To me in the video he looks like he is trying to be unassuming to the point it's alarming. He is on a mission. He is not looking at scenery, taking pictures, smiling and saying hello like you would on a rickety old bridge that is kind of a touristy thing to do. Those last moments when Libby is filming him and they are starting to panic realizing how unnatural he is acting and how isolated they are just breaks my heart and I can feel their terror. I think he acted suddenly and violently as soon as he was in their vicinity.

 

[MistyWaters]

Unless...there were more than one BG? We were told that BG was alone. But what if not? What if “guys” was addressed to his buddies? “Guys, take them down the hill?” Who know at this point? I can’t even rule out a woman, remember “the couple under the bridge” that was never found?

I’m certain the couple under the bridge is known. LE has never asked publicly asked to speak to anyone other than the man in the photo, initially because they stated he might have information. Because he didn’t contact LE, he became a suspect. If the couple under the bridge hadn’t been identified, LE would’ve publicly asked that they come forward as well IMO.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Unless...there were more than one BG? We were told that BG was alone. But what if not? What if “guys” was addressed to his buddies? “Guys, take them down the hill?” Who know at this point? I can’t even rule out a woman, remember “the couple under the bridge” that was never found?

If there were multiple people involved it is totally possible. I don’t think things were synchronized, but yeah it’s possible.

It actually makes sense that more than one person was involved - It would be a lot easier to control 2 people.

LE says there isn’t, but that could be because they only have evidence (video/audio) of BG. That doesn’t mean that BG didn’t get them off the bridge or to the crime scene and there wasn’t an accomplice there. LE just can’t say there were more people involved because maybe they don’t have evidence of other people. I’m sure they are thinking about it. The sheriff said it is not something they’ve totally taken off the table.

Maybe the appeals made in the PC are actually to the accomplice. IDK. I’m rambling, but you’ve got me thinking.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Even if I don't appear optimistic in that regard, I hope very much that you are right and I am wrong. It would be a pleasure to eat humble pie on that account I'll try to work on my optimism!

@susiQ this case is eating all of us here up inside and the sudden change of investigative tactics makes optimism understandibly difficult.

In the end, we all have the same desired outcome and will all cry happy tears together when this monster is arrested.

I have so much faith that will happen....I can't exactly put into words why I feel so strongly....but I just do.

JMO

 

[MuddyTires]

One of the many things that's nagging me about this case lately is regarding the 100 notices handed out at the April 22nd press conference.

In those notices, there were two key pieces of information that I did not hear or see in the televised press conference, nor are they in the transcripts. To the best of my knowledge, when Carter addressed directly to the Killer during the televised press conference, these items were never mentioned.

The first piece of information, was that LE advised BG,
'We have a witness.' and the second item was 'You made mistakes.'

New 'Face' of the Delphi Murder Suspect

WHY were these crucial pieces of information not a part of his televised address to the Killer?

Excerpts of this press conference have been used for the past five weeks all over television, in different interviews and news clips. It would be an excellent way for the killer to have this information thrown in his face to possibly make him consider coming forth with a confession.

Was LE that certain that their suspect had attended that they felt there was no need to say this during Carter's address?

If so, I'm looking at it in a positive way that they are that much closer to an arrest....because they know who it is and they know he was going to be there.

JMO

Most likely because the press release was prepared by someone looking at a draft of the press conference remarks, and that the draft remarks were revised to take a different angle or the officer just didn't adhere to the draft remarks and spoke more off the cuff.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I think that is important to address. My theory has always been they were stalked like a lone wolf would deer. But since I am not sure if he tracked them over the bridge, or came up on them from under the bridge, it would be hard to know if there was an accomplice at the point waiting at the down the hill area, since only BG was caught on the film. It is a possibility, and maybe if so, both have been very secretive.

I just said the exact same thing - even mentioned the accomplice possibly being under the bridge.

I was going to add to my reply that KG said there were 10-20 kids at the trail when she dropped LG and AW off. Could’ve even been a couple of them.