Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[Boxer]

I remember in the Rhoden investigation LE actually came out and basically said to the law breaking public, we're not looking for you we want the killers. Who would fall for that if they were guilty of other crimes?

MOO maybe someone recognized BG and now that person is deceased.

 

[JnRyan]

I remember in the Rhoden investigation LE actually came out and basically said to the law breaking public, we're not looking for you we want the killers. Who would fall for that if they were guilty of other crimes?

That is exactly the opposite of what LE stated here in the first few months when there were several arrests. They basically stated that if their investigation brought them across someone breaking the law they were duty bound to make the arrest. I believe that was shortly before they arrested the owner of the land where the girls were found, Ron Logan. And he got what, 2 years.

 

[zencompass]

This type of thing isn’t unique to serial killers.

Murderers frequently exhibit behavioral changes and allude to crimes they have committed.

Not all of them do this, but enough that you can reasonably expect it.

Dear MassGuy,

Your words "allude to crimes" gives me hope that if someone's friend sent them a text or two that makes them suspicious, there is a possibility they will speak to L.E.

Even if the suspicious person is in the midst of drug activity/violence, the reward can move them far far away. The F.B.I. could give them a new identity.

I do believe that if someone, even if they have an extensive criminal record, can identify B.G., L.E. will do what they can to protect them.

No guarantees though except that the person who turns B.G. in (if there is someone who knows) will have done something truly courageous. Something that will relieve tremendous heartache for the families and most importantly - stop this monster from doing this again.

All I know for sure is that the monster who did this to Abby and Libby needs to be behind bars - forever.

Somehow, I do believe this investigative team can do it, especially with the F.B.I. solidly working this case with them.

Justice for Abby and Libby

 

[rainwaterstill]

Indiana used only collect for felony convictions. Not sure how far back for even that. 2018 is the first year they have collected DNA for felony arrests.

Indiana passed the " collect DNA upon a felony arrest" law specifically because of Abby and Libby's murders. IIRC, it was introduced in the legislature soon after the murders and the bill spent most of 2017 being fast tracked through the legislature and to the governor's desk.

 

[JnRyan]

That is exactly the opposite of what LE stated here in the first few months when there were several arrests. They basically stated that if their investigation brought them across someone breaking the law they were duty bound to make the arrest. I believe that was shortly before they arrested the owner of the land where the girls were found, Ron Logan. And he got what, 2 years.

To provide a reference to my statement:
Search warrant served in case of slain Delphi, Indiana girls

 

[Boxer]

To provide a reference to my statement:
Search warrant served in case of slain Delphi, Indiana girls

MOO RL should have come clean when he had to talk about exactly where he was during the murders.
He drove that day on a license suspended for repeated DWI and went to the County Transfer station among other places.
Better that he talked to police than force them into an all out effort to uncover the truth behind his false alibi.
I don't believe they ever suspected him, but may have suspected he was covering for someone. He should have known when to fold.

 

[mtnlites]

MOO RL should have come clean when he had to talk about exactly where he was during the murders.
He drove that day on a license suspended for repeated DWI and went to the County Transfer station among other places.
Better that he talked to police than force them into an all out effort to uncover the truth behind his false alibi.
I don't believe they ever suspected him, but may have suspected he was covering for someone. He should have known when to fold.

I have a real soft spot for RL. My kids' godfather got framed for murder a few years ago. A crazy guy got mad at him and a few weeks later he murdered a woman and then sneaked onto our friend's farm and buried her with her phone. LE traced it and arrested our friend. He was totally bewildered about it. He didn't even retain an attorney when they took him to jail to question him because he naively thought that if he just explained that he didn't know, they'd let him leave. Guy is 65 and has never so much as had a speeding ticket. The killer finally went to trial last month, and got LWOP (and while he was in jail awaiting trial they uncovered an additional murder he'd committed). Likewise, I think RL had no clue that this crime was going to take on the life that it did. I don't think he realized how big, or how bad, it was. He probably thought that since he knew HE didn't kill the girls, he could just make up something about where he was, they'd believe him, and they'd all move on. You're right in that it would've been MUCH better for him if he'd had talked and told the truth from the beginning. The rumor mill shredded him.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

While LE has never quantified the DNA they have, the Sheriff of Carroll County has said right before Christmas last year investigators sent "more evidence to FBI in Quantico" for "DNA testing research".
Cops Send Evidence To FBI In Indiana Teens Abigail Williams & Liberty German’s Murder

The other thing said I'm still trying to nail down in my mind exactly what was meant.

"...News 18 also asked Riley if there was a chance the killer could be someone police have already interviewed. BBM

"Somebody may have already interviewed him," said Riley. "I'm not going to say they have or have not, but there's a possibility that has happened. The person apparently gave the investigating officers the information they were looking for. We have to try to go back and check on the information that we have received."

ISP on Delphi killer: 'Somebody may have already interviewed him'

The bolded section bothers me, and makes me wonder if they are getting taunting communications from the killer. I haven't seen that mentioned, please forgive me if it has and I missed it.

 

[mtnlites]

The bolded section bothers me, and makes me wonder if they are getting taunting communications from the killer. I haven't seen that mentioned, please forgive me if it has and I missed it.

Normally I'd say no, that it's just a general idea, but that sounds oddly specific.

 

[NameUser]

I feel like this case will be solved like the Tara Grinstead case, BG will crack and tell someone who cant carry the burden or slips up trying to defend him somewhere. I just really hope we don't have to wait 10 plus years to get some closure.

 

[neesaki]

That's what I get from it also which is disheartening to say the least.

So he had to have a reason for saying that, which I’m assuming has to do with what he considered enough evidence for a prosecution.

I wasn’t following the case very closely back then, so would anyone here care to weigh in on any speculation as to why there still hasn’t been an arrest? TIA

 

[neesaki]

So he had to have a reason for saying that, which I’m assuming has to do with what he considered enough evidence for a prosecution.

I wasn’t following the case very closely back then, so would anyone here care to weigh in on any speculation as to why there still hasn’t been an arrest? TIA

I hate to quote my own post, but it seems that Ives is laying some blame on dna and cell phones as being an impediment to the investigation.
Because they require specific standards are met?

 

[Jabarn]

The bolded section bothers me, and makes me wonder if they are getting taunting communications from the killer. I haven't seen that mentioned, please forgive me if it has and I missed it.

I wondered that myself, that BG directly contacted the tip line/investigators. Others have thought that as well, so you are not alone.

If he did, and if he is the attention seeking kind of killer with a missive or pseudo missive (like talking about vague religious or political ideas and so on), I think he would’ve been caught by now. IMO.

So, in the end, I think it’s unlikely BG directly contacted the tip line. Too much was learned from Ted Kaczynski to not share that information with the public.

 

[MistyWaters]

While LE has never quantified the DNA they have, the Sheriff of Carroll County has said right before Christmas last year investigators sent "more evidence to FBI in Quantico" for "DNA testing research".
Cops Send Evidence To FBI In Indiana Teens Abigail Williams & Liberty German’s Murder

The other thing said I'm still trying to nail down in my mind exactly what was meant.

"...News 18 also asked Riley if there was a chance the killer could be someone police have already interviewed. BBM

"Somebody may have already interviewed him," said Riley. "I'm not going to say they have or have not, but there's a possibility that has happened. The person apparently gave the investigating officers the information they were looking for. We have to try to go back and check on the information that we have received."

ISP on Delphi killer: 'Somebody may have already interviewed him'

This quote has been said before.
“Somebody may have already interviewed him," said Riley. "I'm not going to say they have or have not, but there's a possibility that has happened.”

Then followed by this below might refer to why LE wanted the driver of the car to come forward. Without hearing the actual interview we don’t know the questions Riley was asked but I wonder if he was responding to two different questions and the quotes were combined in the media report.

“The person apparently gave the investigating officers the information they were looking for. We have to try to go back and check on the information that we have received."

What information is LE looking for from people other than to solve the crime? The possibility that maybe LE talked to the murderer and got the information necessary to file charges but just can’t be bothered to check it out is about as incompetent as it gets. I don’t think Riley would be haphazardly suggesting that at all.

But the confusing way it’s written is just sheer sloppiness on behalf of the reporter IMO. I don’t know, maybe it’s purpose is to get more clicks from the general public following this case, attempting to figure out what it’s supposed to mean.

 

[Boxer]

I have a real soft spot for RL. My kids' godfather got framed for murder a few years ago. A crazy guy got mad at him and a few weeks later he murdered a woman and then sneaked onto our friend's farm and buried her with her phone. LE traced it and arrested our friend. He was totally bewildered about it. He didn't even retain an attorney when they took him to jail to question him because he naively thought that if he just explained that he didn't know, they'd let him leave. Guy is 65 and has never so much as had a speeding ticket. The killer finally went to trial last month, and got LWOP (and while he was in jail awaiting trial they uncovered an additional murder he'd committed). Likewise, I think RL had no clue that this crime was going to take on the life that it did. I don't think he realized how big, or how bad, it was. He probably thought that since he knew HE didn't kill the girls, he could just make up something about where he was, they'd believe him, and they'd all move on. You're right in that it would've been MUCH better for him if he'd had talked and told the truth from the beginning. The rumor mill shredded him.

So sorry for your friend. That is terrible. Glad it at least came to light.
RL was right when he basically said he only got caught for driving suspended due to the murders on his property. He was afraid, and unfortunately lied, it got him into trouble. Rumors were very unfair.
He was sentenced April 2017 to 3 and a half years for what he racked up. He was released to home detention January 2018. So he ended up with 9 months of jail.

 

[susiQ]

MOO maybe someone recognized BG and now that person is deceased.

Maybe someone called into the anonymous hotline with a tip which resulted in questioning said perp, and now they are deceased.

 

[Jabarn]

Maybe someone called into the anonymous hotline with a tip which resulted in questioning said perp, and now they are deceased.

I’ve seen that possibility raised a couple of times here, SusiQ. Why would that be a possibility? Just trying to understand and thanks in advance.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

With such a major shift in this case recently and with LE releasing more 'new' info in the past 5 weeks than in the past year, I cannot help but feel hopeful that it has now finally reached a sharp turning point.

I am keeping the faith that LE has released the 'right' info that has led to that 'one tip' they were looking for and that BG is going to be arrested by page 50 of this thread.

 

[Brubon]

I never heard that the sheriff felt he had heard that voice before.
That is very interesting. Maybe if the sheriff set himself to thinking about all the regular younger male community members he comes into contact with, church, school, SAR training etc. his memory would deliver.
I am sure he already set himself to review his recollection of all the voices of older male speeders, DWIs, witnesses, victims and criminals that he ever came into contact with.

Hearing a familiar voice could connect to a voice you "know" from a radio. Is YBG someone whose voice would be on local-semi local broadcasts? An infinite number of wonderings connect to this nightmarish case.
MOO

 

[Jabarn]

Hearing a familiar voice could connect to a voice you "know" from a radio. Is YBG someone whose voice would be on local-semi local broadcasts? An infinite number of wonderings connect to this nightmarish case.
MOO

I don’t think so at the moment, and will jump up from my chair screaming if that turns out to be the case. I do think it’s getting closer, though. Night all.