Tobe Leazenby first used it in an interview with Michael Stroup, IIRC.
Hair/beauty salons are another possibility. Many are closed on Mondays.
Oh @SilentRogue. Don't be a Negative Nancy Never is a very strong word. I agree 2 1/2 years later it doesn't look promising, but Carter said in April, they "are just NOW beginning." And THAT gives some hope that "what they were onto early on," may yet pan out. Keep the faith!
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Such a good point about Libby's phone!
To me, with a younger suspect, everything points to something on line leading to these murders.
The girls may not have been meeting him- but he was after them.
There's no faith to be kept. For whatever reason (skill or luck), this killer has clearly evaded arrest.
They've gone nowhere slowly.
I wonder if he evaded arrest because someone really helped him, to kill, or to “clean up”. Not just lied for him.
MOO sadly nearly half of murders are never solved, these are just unsolved.
I don't think someone helped, but I do think
someone crushed their suspicions, and the police distributing the wrong age and appearance of the suspect allowed them to do that. Now...they might need a push from a re-interview to talk.
Do you remember one of the police officers saying, “We were onto something in the very beginning”.
Slain Indiana Teen Recorded Man Suspected of Killing Her, Friend on Hike; Police Release Audio Clip
There is also the possibility that he worked these murders into his job schedule, say if he’s a truck driver, delivery driver or had a local job gig. Often this is the case, that they are in the area for work. So, if he was delivering something, hauling something, he could have squeezed this in as part of his trip.
Do you remember one of the police officers saying, “We were onto something in the very beginning”.
Slain Indiana Teen Recorded Man Suspected of Killing Her, Friend on Hike; Police Release Audio Clip
Here is what they were posting in the beginning,
“They said it's possible the voice in the recording is that of the man in the photo. They also acknowledged that it's possible more than one person may be involved. The man in the photo is wearing blue jeans, a blue coat or jacket, and a hoodie.
"We are actively looking for this person. This person is our suspect," Slocum said.
Police said they are withholding some information in the case for investigative purposes.
Investigators believe the girls met the suspect in a chance encounter or the person knew they were going to be there. Liberty German's decision to make a recording provided police with their best information.
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Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter became emotional when he spoke during the news conference.
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He and other investigators again appealed to the public to continue to send in tips. He believes someone knows the man in the photograph.
"Libby and Abby need you. Please don't rationalize tips away," he said.
So what happens, they suspected someone in the vicinity. Maybe even two people. And then the LE did exactly the same they implored witnesses to not do. They ...rationalized their correct suspicions away.
“ errare humanum est”
I just want to reiterate that in Jessica Ridgeway’s case, the perp left a cross with her body. The police released the image of the cross and it was recognized.
I just wonder if there’s something like that here going on. I would think, though, that if there was any item left behind which someone would recognize, LE would release the photo.
MOO sadly nearly half of murders are never solved, these are just unsolved.
I don't think someone helped, but I do think someone crushed their suspicions, and the police distributing the wrong age and appearance of the suspect allowed them to do that. Now...they might need a push from a re-interview to talk.
In regard to my post above about Abby and Libby being targeted...Please see the following. The following quote is from
bookrags.com/studyguide-the-shack-where-tragedy-confronts-eternity
"Mack had never had a close relationship with God. His alcoholic father was an elder in the church the family attended but it did not keep his father from beating his mother when he was drunk. It also did not keep Mack’s father from tying Mack to a tree and beating him off and on for two days after Mack told someone in the church about his father’s violent tendencies. Missy’s abduction and murder only caused more separation in the relationship between Mack and God."
I think when Doug Carter referenced this book/movie, he did it for a reason. I also wonder if this book was used in the school by teachers...or someone... for summer reading or for use during the school year to discuss/analyze and to review in let's say a language arts class, for example.
You know last night I was talking about the celebration we are going to have when there’s an arrest...
I just remembered how I/we felt after the Watts case and when CW was sentenced...(“Now Bailiff, please take this man and escort him to the Department of Corrections for the rest of his life...(rewind)...”Now Bailiff, please take this man and escort him to the...”)—Of course we were all happy about this but ultimately it was all just SAD. The loss of those beautiful souls...All the lives affected...
I wonder again if he has a family of his own...wife, kids...
Or will he turn out to be one of these loner types like many of these mass shooters...
How has he gotten away with this... @MassGuy I really think he’s more than just lucky. He went in there, did his thing, came right back out and disappeared. Stealth...speed...man on a mission...
Came with a plan, found some victims..he knew there would be some...I think he’s done this before and I think he’ll do it again...in fact he probably already has...perhaps if we dig....the challenge is the crimes may not be that similar if he has different MOs or changed his approach...has he maybe gone (back) to targeting more “convenient” targets, say prostitutes...he may have chosen a new hunting ground in another state..near or far...he may want to avoid ISP...of course we know LE all over the country has eyes, and there’s the FBI but...
I personally haven't ruled out Lizzy and Lyric's case as being related. One thing is different. In Abigail and Liberty he appears to have left the bodies where he killed them or at least close to the killing site. With Lizzy and Lyric, I believe their bodies were found a few miles from the apparent abduction site - he either killed them near where he met them and transported their bodies or he abducted them and killed them at the remote spot where they were found. Also, with Lizzy and Lyric there is the problem with the cause of death as I believe the bodies were too badly decomposed for LE to determine how they were killed. That cause of death may have been a possible commonality between the two sets of murders. Both cases likely involve a killer with a local knowledge of the area where the bodies were left.
I would agree that you don't kill 2 teens in public in daylight if you haven't done things quite like it in the past. You don't get away with it for 2.5 years without experience either.
I wonder if he evaded arrest because someone really helped him, to kill, or to “clean up”. Not just lied for him.