Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #112

[tresir2012]

Crikey @tresir2012 you really are coming up with some observations/thoughts etc that I hadn't even thought of. I don't know if you are being sarcastic, saying things in jest or pointing out the things no one else appears to have thought of . That's twice in two days you have brought up really salient points.

Cheers
MingyMoo

It is a bit tongue in cheek but we have been discussing the DNA of identical twins and triplets. There was also a serial killer who had an identical twin so it is not a complete impossibility just a little speculative.

 

[PaulaDC]

Crikey @tresir2012 you really are coming up with some observations/thoughts etc that I hadn't even thought of. I don't know if you are being sarcastic, saying things in jest or pointing out the things no one else appears to have thought of . That's twice in two days you have brought up really salient points.

Cheers
MingyMoo

I don't think twin but starting to think we have unaccounted for blood relatives to the girls. One of my recent posts was deleted last night. With all the mixture of familial dna dna their clothing...

 

[sunshineray]

They had to have a way home before they left or they couldn't go. Might have called DG on the way and he was going to pick them up.

My point was they could have told the grandmother that they did call the father for a ride home but in fact didn't. This is all based on the supposition that LE had any reason to believe the girls might have run away and the therefore called over the search overnight. That's what was being discussed. I personally don't feel there was reason to think they'd run away but then again, I don't know all the facts in the case.

 

[sunshineray]

How does LE know that the guy in the video killed them? He could have led them to the killer. Been an accessory.

I just do not get how they are so sure? Unless the murder was on tape, how could they really know??

We know the abduction was on audio. So we know BG was not just a railfan guy out innocently taking photographs that day.

 

[MingyMoo]

My point was they could have told the grandmother that they did call the father for a ride home but in fact didn't. This is all based on the supposition that LE had any reason to believe the girls might have run away and the therefore called over the search overnight. That's what was being discussed. I personally don't feel there was reason to think they'd run away but then again, I don't know all the facts in the case.

The problem with this is if they hadn't of called DG for a lift home he would have no reason to be at the trails looking for them and hence alerting other family members so I am in total agreement The girls plan was not to run away. My question would always be why was it assumed running away was even a possibility.

MM

 

[sunshineray]

My guess is there is something on Libby’s cellphone recording that confirms it for LE.
Also, initially, when LE first released the picture of the BG, they said only that they wanted to talk with him. He was considered a possible witness. He never came forward to talk with police, and a few days later he was named a suspect. In my view, if he was innocent, he would have shown up to explain things and to try and help the police find the killer. That and the cellphone info I think is why he is the suspect. Just my opinion.

I think LE knew full and well when they asked him to come forward as a witness that BG was the perpetrator of the crimes. Since they'd found the phone and the audio/video they assumed the killer didn't know he'd been recorded live action and audio. LE gave it a shot first that the killer would contact them and say yeah I was there hiking, didn't see anything. It was worth a try for you never know how stupid or smart a killer really is right off the bat.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think LE knew full and well when they asked him to come forward as a witness that BG was the perpetrator of the crimes. Since they'd found the phone and the audio/video they assumed the killer didn't know he'd been recorded live action and audio. LE gave it a shot first that the killer would contact them and say yeah I was there hiking, didn't see anything. It was worth a try for you never know how stupid or smart a killer really is right off the bat.

I agree. It was a test to see if he would show up. By not showing up it just confirmed what they thought...he’s the guy.

 

[Boxer]

Well that is what isn't known isn't it? Only the killer knows that.

MOO the searchers, family and friends on 2/13/17 must have know who was there that day. Everyone had to walk in.

 

[Charlot123]

I don't think twin but starting to think we have unaccounted for blood relatives to the girls. One of my recent posts was deleted last night. With all the mixture of familial dna dna their clothing...

That, and no one except for RL has been cleared, and mainly, there seem to be a lot of cousins of Libby and, as I have read yesterday, a brother of Abby, all these people are in the same DNA pool. Not suspicious of anyone in particular, merely pointing at the obvious. Many people providing the alibis to one another are relatives, so these are weak alibis. Again, not suspecting anyone, just the realities of a small town.

 

[Charlot123]

I agree. It was a test to see if he would show up. By not showing up it just confirmed what they thought...he’s the guy.

Maybe, but he is smarter than they thought, though.

And it LE knew full and well, why are they sitting on the information, and the DNA, for 2.5 years?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

His twin brother?

If he has one, yes.

 

[Charlot123]

The problem with this is if they hadn't of called DG for a lift home he would have no reason to be at the trails looking for them and hence alerting other family members so I am in total agreement The girls plan was not to run away. My question would always be why was it assumed running away was even a possibility.

MM

Who provided the alibi for DG? Not suspicious of him, but it I understand it, too, was a relative? (Just pointing out how shaky all, but all, alibis are in this case). The only person who had an alibi was RL.

 

[Charlot123]

Im drawing a blank...

Do we know if Libby's phone was recovered? And if so, where?

Or do we just know video was recovered from her phone?

Logically speaking, it was not her phone. She did a factory reset of her phone, left it at home, and took BP’s phone. And this is already the first “twist”, by me. The info from her own phone is not available. Sometimes, if the phones are the same and on the same account, they might be “linked”, you can see what messages your kid gets, but I guess it was not the case in that situation.

 

[Charlot123]

That FB certainly wasn't getting many likes and shares in 2016 . 3 likes 1 share only in some instances.

Can we see who liked it? I can’t.

 

[tresir2012]

My point was they could have told the grandmother that they did call the father for a ride home but in fact didn't. This is all based on the supposition that LE had any reason to believe the girls might have run away and the therefore called over the search overnight. That's what was being discussed. I personally don't feel there was reason to think they'd run away but then again, I don't know all the facts in the case.

BP said she left it to Libby to call her Dad and Kelsie said she wasn't dropping them off till Libby had phoned. She indicated Libby called while she was on the phone to her boyfriend as they sat at the trailhead in the car which is how they knew the drop of time quite accurately.

 

[tresir2012]

Can we see who liked it? I can’t.

No I don't think I can. You have to be a FB member I think.

 

[Torch Carrier]

and my dog has a history of

this is what I’m talking about. One guy who saw a couple arguing under the bridge. I think we can all deduct that there were only 3 people under that bridge that day. Do we know who said this? Are police in touch with him now? “A couple arguing?” He hung around long enough to hear something and deduce it to arguing? Did one of the girls run and the other scream and fight? This has bothered me since day one. Then at the April PC LE says “you never thought we would change our strategy.” Is this who they are referring to? Did the arguing couple come forward? MOO

GREAT POINTS AND QUESTIONS! Does anyone here know OR is there anyone we can pose there questions to? I'm surprised there seems NO resource for getting any info. If there was, and a question or two could be answered, it might lead to better sleuthing down the line... but I'll bet LE feels they've got this so no need to clarify.

 

[Deleted member 230385]

For those asking if there are any updates in the case, the FBI quietly updated the weight range of the suspect to 180 lb - 200 lb. It was previously 180-220.

UNKNOWN SUSPECT — FBI

Some LE statements have come out in Youtube interviews regarding the vehicle of interest that Carter spoke of in the last press conference. I can’t link them here, but IMO they still want anyone with information to come forward.

 

[Charlot123]

BP said she left it to Libby to call her Dad and Kelsie said she wasn't dropping them off till Libby had phoned. She indicated Libby called while she was on the phone to her boyfriend as they sat at the trailhead in the car which is how they knew the drop of time quite accurately.

In Libby’s/BP’s phone, and in DG’s phone, at least the fact of the call should have registered.

 

[tresir2012]

MOO the searchers, family and friends on 2/13/17 must have know who was there that day. Everyone had to walk in.

Not after LE went home though, No road blocks, anyone could have just turned up at the trails or the cemetery and accessed the area including BG.