Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #120

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Interviewer is talking about the a memorial.
Carter says this intersection is tough for him.
He wishes they would have turn left instead of right.

Carter "Whoever it is and whoever it was, has stared at this nature reserve sign, just like we are right now, I know that, even in his first day, he stood right here, he stood right here, yeah".
 
Charlot123 said:
Respectfully italicized by me.

I suspect that whoever they saw and described as OBG happened to remind of a couple of nation-wide known scums, including DN. And the police, naturally, for mere human reason, probably hoped that such a horrible crime was not a local thing. Between YBG, probably more or less local and a nice person, and OBG resembling some faraway coloradian, they hoped for the stranger to do it. So they chased the stranger.
In the meantime, the DNA got ready. And that DNA did not fit DN at all but fit the NBG too well.

I don’t know what the “twist” mentioned by Tobe Lazenby is. But the way I imagine, it is akin to “ambiguous image” phenomenon, like this famous “my wife and my mother in law”. You see one, old, face, thinking of a certain situation, but having looked long enough, you suddenly notice a young face inside, and a different story. This picture...
I think we look at the story from one angle because we don’t know much, and maybe don’t see the obvious.
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I like that you added that image as an example. I can totally see what you mean by that. Crazy!
 
TL4S said:
I agree the "physically strange" comment likely meant something literal about the scene, not something only detectable through forensic analysis. But Ives also said (paraphrasing) that the crime scene was unique and odd, and that there is commonly odd evidence collected from a murder scene because people don't generally kill each other all that often. This is why I said that maybe there was evidence of a particular behavior, and maybe that behavior could be linked to something through autopsy. Like the examples you said about handedness, etc.

For sake of argument, I'm going to use wild examples because I'm NOT suggesting BG has these ailments. I'm not trying to be condescending, I just don't want anyone to misconstrue. Let's say LE collected a reddish brown hair and were able identify Fragile X syndrome. The footprints indicated a club foot. Or they could tell everything had been done using a right hand only, meaning the left arm might be defunct. Maybe the bodies were bathed in the creek with homemade soap and re-dressed to perfection, indicating some kind of ritualistic or compulsive trait. These are silly ideas, but my point is there could be a million ways to interpret the "physically strange" crime scene comment. I just put it together with other happenings along the way (like requesting an autopsy report) and it does seem that one way or another, BG left his personal mark. It gives me hope!
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was it a podcast or msm that was talking about the crime scene being physically strange, someone had posted about it somewhere up thread but I’m having trouble finding it again
 
Tobe Leazenby unsure if there were two people involved:
'I'm absolutely hopeful.' On anniversary of Delphi killings, community has faith next tip leads to justice

In April, police also released a brief video of "bridge guy" that shows his gait in hopes it might spark tips from someone who knows him.

The two contrasting sketches led some to wonder if there was more than one person involved in the killings.

“We’re not sure about that,” Leazenby said Thursday when asked whether two people were involved in the crime.

ETA: Snippet from article did not copy the first time.
 
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gregjrichards said:
Reading There’s nothing new to report," Riley said, explaining why there is not a news conference this year. “Every year we’ve had something to report.” Is extremely depressing.
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To add to yours:
Leazenby advised people to focus on the video of "bridge guy" and new sketch — not the original drawing.

ITA @gregjrichards :(:(
 
sleuther0192837465 said:
To add to yours:
Leazenby advised people to focus on the video of "bridge guy" and new sketch — not the original drawing.

ITA @gregjrichards :(:(
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I wish they could do something with new sketch to make him more human. Surely they could add colour to make him look like a real person and not look like an art sketch.
 
gregjrichards said:
I wish they could do something with new sketch to make him more human. Surely they could add colour to make him look like a real person and not look like an art sketch.
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ITA IDK why they didn’t do that in the first place?? Oh I can not even imagine the heartache the families feel...I’m sure they know that LE is clueless. I have nothing good to say right now....:mad::mad::mad: MOO
 
Since day 1 everyone has assumed that BG was unknown to the other people on the trails that may have seen him. What if that is wrong? What if he were well known by some that may have seen him, is known by the police to have been on the trails that day, but they just cant seem to link him directly to the crime. They have DNA but if it was found on say a water bottle that he says he must have dropped several weeks before how could they prove it was from that day?
 
princessbutterscotch1 said:
Since day 1 everyone has assumed that BG was unknown to the other people on the trails that may have seen him. What if that is wrong? What if he were well known by some that may have seen him, is known by the police to have been on the trails that day, but they just cant seem to link him directly to the crime. They have DNA but if it was found on say a water bottle that he says he must have dropped several weeks before how could they prove it was from that day?
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IDK:( I’m sorry, but I won’t be posting here for awhile. I’m absolutely devastated:( The girls brought me to Websleuths & I have hoped & prayed & waited & watched, read every article, every theory, looked at all the POI’s & then some, watched every video I could find only to find out they are clueless....it’s heart breaking....
I need a break from this.
MOO
My apologies to everyone that has been here with me....I just can’t
MOO
 
heartgoesout said:
Carter talks in anomalies so it's hard to tell if he's using language BG understands or if that's how he typically talks.
The interviewer is discussing the nature reserve sign and Carter says BG has stared at the sign, he's sure of it "even on his first day".
It's in the first chapter of HLNs podcast first minute or so.
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Carter needs a translator.
 
BNA said:
Re: recent discussions about the crime scene.

It seems to me that we can't know if any of the rumors posted here are true. It also seems to me that basic crime solving classes would start out with a discussion of investigation of a crime scene. So, we are stuck with not being able, really, to get past square one. Hence, all the circular discussions over the last, almost, three years.

Anyway, I coincidentally ran across this old music video today and, citing recent posts here, I sent it on to the sheriff's tip line.

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The analogy I read early on is it's like working on a puzzle without a picture and missing most the pieces. We all want to see this jerk put away, but we don't have the information to figure it out, crime scene or otherwise. It's frustrating, but at the same time, it's really not our jobs. So the circle continues...

Btw, that video is creepy as h#**. :eek:
 
MOO Leazenby's comments here lead me to suspect that LE does not believe the girls ran away in fear, rather, the actual spot where the girls were murdered was chosen, and they were forced there by the killer.

MOOx2 This murderer is definitely known to someone locally, someone who is afraid to come forward, likely a family member, a mother, father, or son, who KNOWS THE TRUTH, but has yet to find the GUTS to do whats right. God will be the judge on that day.

From the linky a few posts up.....

"Bridge guy" is familiar with Delphi, Carter said last year. He's either lived there, worked there or frequently visits there.

Leazenby said "bridge guy" had to know where to take the girls to kill them in a place concealed from the public's sight, and the spot along the creek would not be common knowledge to outsiders.
 
Coming up on three years, and still they don't have a POI, they simply do not have a clue. This tells me there's a high likelihood BG is not local, and my take on that angle within the case is that's part of what BG was counting on, and would help to conceal his identity.

BG was counting on his deeds becoming a fiasco of sorts, before the sun even came up in BG's world on Feb. 13th, 2017. He picked out the CS well beforehand, and my take on picking the CS and the bridge area out for his deeds makes me think he was counting on his victim or victims not being found for many hours, and that indeed happened, adding further shock, intrigue, conspiracy theories, etc., to the case.

Taking all of that into account, I firmly believe that's what he gets off on, the shock of his deeds, and then the aftermath. It's turned into a sensational circus, really, which is a shame, and I partly blame LE. Why they went with 6,000+ digital billboards right after the murders, instead of erring on the side of caution and just waiting until they could get that short section of video and just release it early on, is beyond me, and then they released the video two years after the murders, added the "guys" part to the audio, and released a sketch which was made on Feb. 17th, 2017, etc. is beyond my comprehension. LE would have been better off releasing the audio, video, and 1st sketch early on, but no, they released the July '17 sketch and had people chasing all kinds of ghosts on social media, within web pages devoted to sex offender registries, etc., etc., etc.

My hope is the case is solved soon, but without much in the way of real evidence and no DNA (there is no indication BG's DNA has been collected), the chances of it ever being solved are pretty slim.

JMO
 
stattlich1 said:
MOO Leazenby's comments here lead me to suspect that LE does not believe the girls ran away in fear, rather, the actual spot where the girls were murdered was chosen, and they were forced there by the killer.

MOOx2 This murderer is definitely known to someone locally, someone who is afraid to come forward, likely a family member, a mother, father, or son, who KNOWS THE TRUTH, but has yet to find the GUTS to do whats right. God will be the judge on that day.

From the linky a few posts up.....

"Bridge guy" is familiar with Delphi, Carter said last year. He's either lived there, worked there or frequently visits there.

Leazenby said "bridge guy" had to know where to take the girls to kill them in a place concealed from the public's sight, and the spot along the creek would not be common knowledge to outsiders.
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^^^^THIS

Just to get to the spot where they crossed the creek, after walking across the bridge, would take effort and knowledge of how to get there. The spot where they crossed can be clearly seen either A) Right in that immediate area, there are trees, bends in the creek, etc., along there which obscure line-of-sight views, or B) From the house by there, which is unoccupied this time of year.

BG didn't just "show up" that day and spontaneously decide to kill, he had this whole scenario planned out well beforehand.

JMO
 
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