Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #122

[Yemelyan]

I've just posted the link to an interview with MVT where the sheriff says it. For your convenience:

My point was that IMO he said it to the Comet reporter directly for the interview in that article...I'm not disputing that he's said it on various occasions as it appears to be his confirmed opinion. I just don't think a reporter sources their info from a MVT interview.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Okay thanks. I was trying to figure out how nearly 50,000 tips as referenced in Feb is now down to 40,000. But hopefully Sheriff Leazenby knows what he’s talking about although I notice his comments are carefully crafted with various “he believes” and “likely”, words usually used to preface one who’s offering an opinion. Particularly the one comment “he believes the perpetrator will likely be someone who is fairly well-known in the community” gives rise to the possibility he’s speculating considering he also believes the killer is familiar with the “lay of the land”.

Let’s hope he’s certain instead.

My tiny bit of doubt comes from the release of sketch #1, when LE announced they “believed” this was the suspect. Later they changed what they believed by announcing “the new direction”.

Quoted bbm

I think that Leazenby uses that type of language because someone in LE reads our posts here and tells him how much we dissect his and Carter's every word.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

He also states it during a question exchange beginning at the 6:18 mark in this telephone interview:

Thank you for digging that up.

For anyone interested in knowing the date, this one was done on October 4, 2019

 

[HOPE770145]

Problem is WE don't know but LE does. They'll know if the death happened where the girls were found and time of death. As much as we want to know, we won't until they catch the perp and he goes to court. JMO

I don't believe the coroner would be able to assess exact time of death just estimate. Not sure how many hours.

 

[HOPE770145]

At the back of my mind, I've wondered if he held them captive and killed them after the searchers left for the night.

jmo

what I question is what that abandoned car was used for, so yes me too

 

[Charlot123]

When I get time I will look for it. Yemelyan just posted the source. It is not the first time it has been mentioned.

I think the first time it was soon after murders

 

[Area52]

what I question is what that abandoned car was used for, so yes me too

What abandoned car? Did I miss something?

 

[Yemelyan]

What abandoned car? Did I miss something?

It was a "parked" car at the abandoned DCS building, that LE requested info about at the April press conference when they released the newer version of the sketch.

Edit to say: I think this is what was meant. Maybe the original poster will clarify.

 

[Charlot123]

Quoted bbm

I think that Leazenby uses that type of language because someone in LE reads our posts here and tells him how much we dissect his and Carter's every word.

Nah. Tobe Leazenby doesn't live his life constantly checking what Websleuths or other true crime sources write about him. He is a seasoned policeman.

He knows who BG is. And knows the motive, this is why he states that everyone else is safe.

But for some reason, he can not make the arrest. Let us hope that it is temporarily, and there will be a case. Eventually. But today, there is none. And Tobe is a professional, Delphi is his realm, moreover, he is the father, the son, a normal man who is probably disgusted by the murders, like every human should be.

So what he does, without naming the person/persons, is saying the same thing, "we know you are the killer. You can not deceive us". At this, he is not naming anyone, not hinting, not giving more information.

How does the person who killed - I don't think today it was SA, but protecting his name and reputation (this is my today's feeling about the motive - I don't know more; it could really be anything accidentally found out by Libby) - how would the person feel inside knowing that someone sees him for who he is?

I think, badly. He probably is the person who could come home after the killings, wash his hands and eat dinner with the family. But his reputation is important to him.

I hope he feels badly. I hope he has nightmares.

I hope the BG would not wait till the arrest. But today he feels safe. Let us hope, not forever.

 

[minazoe]

abandoned car? what do you think it could be used for? answer : all kinds of things.
do you think police are lying about the girls being killed almost immediately?

maybe they are trying to make the killer angry by not giving him credit for the true timeline of his actions.

mOO

 

[Area52]

It was a "parked" car at the abandoned DCS building, that LE requested info about at the April press conference when they released the newer version of the sketch.

Thank you Yemelyan. That makes more sense. Thought I missed something!

 

[scapa]

Nah. Tobe Leazenby doesn't live his life constantly checking what Websleuths or other true crime sources write about him. He is a seasoned policeman.

He knows who BG is. And knows the motive, this is why he states that everyone else is safe.

But for some reason, he can not make the arrest. Let us hope that it is temporarily, and there will be a case. Eventually. But today, there is none. And Tobe is a professional, Delphi is his realm, moreover, he is the father, the son, a normal man who is probably disgusted by the murders, like every human should be.

So what he does, without naming the person/persons, is saying the same thing, "we know you are the killer. You can not deceive us". At this, he is not naming anyone, not hinting, not giving more information.

How does the person who killed - I don't think today it was SA, but protecting his name and reputation (this is my today's feeling about the motive - I don't know more; it could really be anything accidentally found out by Libby) - how would the person feel inside knowing that someone sees him for who he is?

I think, badly. He probably is the person who could come home after the killings, wash his hands and eat dinner with the family. But his reputation is important to him.

I hope he feels badly. I hope he has nightmares.

I hope the BG would not wait till the arrest. But today he feels safe. Let us hope, not forever.

TBH, I don't see much in the investigation to date that inspires me to share your optimism that Leazenby & Co know the who and why of this one already, but I very much hope that you're right, and that we'll see an arrest. This is one of the cases that haunts me, and I'm sure remains absolutely devastating for the girls' families, friends and communities. It needs solving.

 

[Charlot123]

Oddly (I'm wondering myself), I often think of a non-sexual offense in Delphi, more of something like contempt, humiliation, punishment, even hate of young females.

If I let wander my thoughts, there is a story. Maybe, my imagination could be less special; sorry for that in advance.
We spoke of truck drivers already ...
Father is a truck driver, has his job during childhood of his son. (Long haul) truck drivers are known for taking girls/woman on board for entertainment and because of boredom, not least because of the opportunity. Of course, not all truck drivers do this - noone here needs to defend the poor truck drivers; I know it: certainly there are many exceptions. My version of truck driver enjoys his trucking life in one or the other way.
Mother is sitting at home through these same years, feels overwhelmed by some children and cheated on by her trucker husband. Son is very sensitive and is suffering from the situation during the years.
When the son is grown to a teenager, his trucker father thinks, he has to make a tough man out of his son. Insensitive Macho, who he is, father proudly tells his son, in which way he himself had/has fun, when he was/is driving across country: taking teenagers (maybe run-aways) or in general young females with him into "nature" (parks, trails, lakes, creeks, bridges, truck stops).
One special day in his life this son needs a valve for his feelings for more than one single reason and starts to "avenge his mother" in an evil, angry way, feeling very relieved afterwards. Because the valve worked so well, the son compulsively has to do it once more, when times are rough for him, and once more .... , becoming well-known, notorious BG one day in 2017.
IMAGINATION only and spekulation, looking for the motive and looking for a non-sexual killing. May well be 100% ERROR on my part.

But there is misguided hatred and anger. He can not kill the father because of fear. So he kills women, like his mother. Or does he, IRL, want to measure up to the father by raping them?

Statistically, most SK started killing earlier than we think. And the first case is always suspected, but never proven. They don't look like most subsequent victims, either. So irl, by the time dad told son about his macho behavior, the son already has killed someone. Genes...

If you make father an angry bully who kills dogs, maybe the story will look more persuasive.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

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Nah. Tobe Leazenby doesn't live his life constantly checking what Websleuths or other true crime sources write about him. He is a seasoned policeman.

He knows who BG is. And knows the motive, this is why he states that everyone else is safe.

But for some reason, he can not make the arrest. Let us hope that it is temporarily, and there will be a case. Eventually. But today, there is none. And Tobe is a professional, Delphi is his realm, moreover, he is the father, the son, a normal man who is probably disgusted by the murders, like every human should be.

So what he does, without naming the person/persons, is saying the same thing, "we know you are the killer. You can not deceive us". At this, he is not naming anyone, not hinting, not giving more information.

How does the person who killed - I don't think today it was SA, but protecting his name and reputation (this is my today's feeling about the motive - I don't know more; it could really be anything accidentally found out by Libby) - how would the person feel inside knowing that someone sees him for who he is?

I think, badly. He probably is the person who could come home after the killings, wash his hands and eat dinner with the family. But his reputation is important to him.

I hope he feels badly. I hope he has nightmares.

I hope the BG would not wait till the arrest. But today he feels safe. Let us hope, not forever.

Quoted bbm

I think that once we all find out who this maniac is, his legal team is going to be doing some major damage control trying to save his reputation.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

But there is misguided hatred and anger. He can not kill the father because of fear. So he kills women, like his mother. Or does he, IRL, want to measure up to the father by raping them?

Statistically, most SK started killing earlier than we think. And the first case is always suspected, but never proven. They don't look like most subsequent victims, either. So irl, by the time dad told son about his macho behavior, the son already has killed someone. Genes...

If you make father an angry bully who kills dogs, maybe the story will look more persuasive.

bbm
Not only to please you, I make father a real rough block, insensitive with his offspring in many ways. MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think, badly. He probably is the person who could come home after the killings, wash his hands and eat dinner with the family. But his reputation is important to him.

I hope he feels badly. I hope he has nightmares.

I hope the BG would not wait till the arrest. But today he feels safe. Let us hope, not forever.

bbm
I'm not quite sure, if he still feels safe. Maybe, he is studying the lineup for US-extradition agreements already.

 

[carbuff]

There's a big difference between figuring out what happened and making a case convincing enough to get a jury to convict. And good LE know that what they think they know might turn out not to be true, so they won't say anything more than generalities until they have that evidence.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

There's a big difference between figuring out what happened and making a case convincing enough to get a jury to convict. And good LE know that what they think they know might turn out not to be true, so they won't say anything more than generalities until they have that evidence.

Quoted bbm. I agree.

I also believe that is why they haven't shown any re-enactments of what happened that day when they have had the opportunity to publicize the case.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

There's a big difference between figuring out what happened and making a case convincing enough to get a jury to convict. And good LE know that what they think they know might turn out not to be true, so they won't say anything more than generalities until they have that evidence.

I agree. If it becomes the universal theory that LE know for certain who is the killer, even though there’s not enough evidence to prove it (somewhat of a contradiction IMO), what I wouldn’t want to happen is for people who might know someone whom they suspect to say to themselves “nah, no point calling in my tip, LE already know who the killer is.”

 

[MistyWaters]

Quoted bbm. I agree.

I also believe that is why they haven't shown any re-enactments of what happened that day when they have had the opportunity to publicize the case.

JMO

From time to time LE have mentioned such things as false confessions and malicious tips. Only by withholding details from the public are they able to vet the integrity of information told to them as is standard police procedure. As there were no witnesses to the murder, I think a re-enactment would also be unnecessary in seeking good tips regarding the identity of the suspect. In a court of law it’s only required the accused be proven beyond reasonable doubt that he committed the murder, but precisely how that occurred often remains unknown beyond the prosecution’s theory.