Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

[Turkeytrot]

It was apx. 10-15 mins in. I don’t have the time stamp as it appears to still be live.
If you scan the episode, it is where the screenshots start being placed on the screen.

In a nutshell: He had forgot about this as it was right after the murders. It appears the profile was communicating with others in Libby’s circle as well. It was creeper stuff as you would expect from an online perv.

Ick. Yeah it makes my skin crawl reading those messages from that account.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

It was apx. 10-15 mins in. I don’t have the time stamp as it appears to still be live.
If you scan the episode, it is where the screenshots start being placed on the screen.

In a nutshell: He had forgot about this as it was right after the murders. It appears the profile was communicating with others in Libby’s circle as well. It was creeper stuff as you would expect from an online perv.

Wow. That’s kinda a big deal. Really connects it to Delphi.

 

[JnRyan]

GH is sharing some information he received on the Anthony_Shots profile in March of 2017. It includes screenshots of an Anthony_Shots conversation with another individual.

ETA: I will have to go back to get the verbatim, but it sounds like it is being stated that this conversation was between a friend of Libby’s, which she had recently spent the night with, and the Anthony_Shots profile. JMO

I listened to part of it. From about 10 minutes to about 30 minutes. About 27 minutes into this he states that "they" say the killer's time in the area overlapped Liberty's father (who was picking them up) by 20 minutes. (Supposedly "they" were told this by one of the family members.) Liberty's father got there at 3:11 (GH uses 3:15), so he was out of the area by 3:31 or thereabouts. Same source states that Abigail and Liberty was deceased by 3:30. But I wonder...who is "they"?

 

[TTF14]

I listened to part of it. From about 10 minutes to about 30 minutes. About 27 minutes into this he states that "they" say the killer's time in the area overlapped Liberty's father (who was picking them up) by 20 minutes. (Supposedly "they" were told this by one of the family members.) Liberty's father got there at 3:11 (GH uses 3:15), so he was out of the area by 3:31 or thereabouts. Same source states that Abigail and Liberty was deceased by 3:30. But I wonder...who is "they"?

Typical.

As in all cases, if it doesn't come out of LE's mouth, I don't take it as fact.

 

[LeBlack]

GH is sharing some information he received on the Anthony_Shots profile in March of 2017. It includes screenshots of an Anthony_Shots conversation with another individual.

ETA: I will have to go back to get the verbatim, but it sounds like it is being stated that this conversation was between a friend of Libby’s, which she had recently spent the night with, and the Anthony_Shots profile. JMO

At that age, friends and I would have messed with a someone like that in some way. (My teen years were pre-internet) /just wondering how far this razzing back and forth went.

 

[DeDee]

the jury trial is in relation to CSAM charges from the 2017 search

Yes, and KAK is sitting his rump in jail because he cannot raise the bail required to get out of jail pending his trial. 10% cash would be $26,500.

"A preliminary plea of not guilty was entered for Kline on Aug. 21, 2020, the case docket showed. Three days later, the court set Kline’s bond at $265,000 or 10 percent cash, per the docket. A pre-trial conference was scheduled for next week, the docket said."

* Reminder of who we're dealing with here. He admits to speaking to 15-17yo girls but look what they found on his phone:

"He also told investigators the girls he spoke to ranged in ages from 15 to 17, the affidavit said.

Files discovered on an iPhone seized by authorities depicted pornographic images of children as young as 3-years-old, the affidavit said."

Man behind “anthony_shots” account charged in other child exploitation case, officials say

 

[DeDee]

I don't think it was ignored. I think it was overlooked by probably multiple errors. LE are humans and are not infallible, just like the rest of us.

True but, my errors don't hurt others. I may arrive home from the market without that one certain ingredient needed for that special recipe.
My granddaughters make errors on the tennis court that only hurt themselves and their score.
A second grade teacher may tell the students that Washington, DC is located in Virginia. That hurts those students' education but we're not going to criminally charge her for the error.
I light heartedly agree with the member who suggested perhaps we investigate the investigators. This could be totally forgivable if it required the huge gap in order to process the data from the phone and electronic devices.
.

 

[sunshineray]

I listened to part of it. From about 10 minutes to about 30 minutes. About 27 minutes into this he states that "they" say the killer's time in the area overlapped Liberty's father (who was picking them up) by 20 minutes. (Supposedly "they" were told this by one of the family members.) Liberty's father got there at 3:11 (GH uses 3:15), so he was out of the area by 3:31 or thereabouts. Same source states that Abigail and Liberty was deceased by 3:30. But I wonder...who is "they"?

I've mentioned before the GH show where a caller GH trusts called in and was speaking to the small amount of touch DNA found on one of the girl's sweatshirt shoulder.

He also talked about the killer still being there for awhile when Libby's Dad was searching.

I took away from it all that the caller knew about certain things because he's related to someone in the know.

1:59:30 about the touch DNA being found on one of the girl's sweatshirt shoulder.

2:04:20 discusses the killer still being there after DG was there looking for the girls.

 

[Charlot123]

I've mentioned before the GH show where a caller GH trusts called in and was speaking to the small amount of touch DNA found on one of the girl's sweatshirt shoulder.

He also talked about the killer still being there for awhile when Libby's Dad was searching.

I took away from it all that the caller knew about certain things because he's related to someone in the know.

1:59:30 about the touch DNA being found on one of the girl's sweatshirt shoulder.

2:04:20 discusses the killer still being there after DG was there looking for the girls.

Scary...

 

[katydid23]

It was apx. 10-15 mins in. I don’t have the time stamp as it appears to still be live.
If you scan the episode, it is where the screenshots start being placed on the screen.

In a nutshell: He had forgot about this as it was right after the murders. It appears the profile was communicating with others in Libby’s circle as well. It was creeper stuff as you would expect from an online perv.

Ok so, if he was communicating with her inner circle, he'd could have seen the girl's IG post of them being on the bridge? And maybe sent someone that he knew , who was local , to go meet up with the girl's that day?

 

[Marlo56]

Sorry that this is off current topic and that the hat / hair of BG has discussed millions of times over the years. I hesitate to even post this because I know most will roll their eyes and skim past it anyway.

Just that after the millionth time of viewing the video, I feel certain that BG's hat is a tan beanie. Possibly with a white / light brown stripe along the base, though that may be part of the hoodie pixels distorting.

I know there are a lot of people who see it as hair in the later frames, and I saw that too, but I think a tan beanie explains this - the dark patch at the top of his head that looks like the crown of the head is actually where the baggy bit at the top of the beanie folds in. The faint lines that appear as strands of hair are the seams of the wool.

Some people see a bill at first, but that's either the hoodie blending in to the beanie in the early frames, or the large shadow that's cast across the left side of his head that stretches down to his forehead in the later frames.

I realise this is of no real help to anyone, but it's the first time I'm seeing it and it seems clear to me now. If nothing else, a POI in possession of a tan beanie would be something to look at. It's a small detail but you never know.

 

[TL4S]

Ok so, if he was communicating with her inner circle, he'd could have seen the girl's IG post of them being on the bridge? And maybe sent someone that he knew , who was local , to go meet up with the girl's that day?

Way early on in this case, wasn't it mentioned that another friend was supposed to go to the bridge with them, but ended up not being able to? Does anyone else remember that or is my memory playing tricks?

 

[Charlot123]

Way early on in this case, wasn't it mentioned that another friend was supposed to go to the bridge with them, but ended up not being able to? Does anyone else remember that or is my memory playing tricks?

Your memory is perfect. I think that friend even spoke about it in some interview. But - is it possible that the girls were collecting a group to go, and no one was available?

 

[TL4S]

Your memory is perfect. I think that friend even spoke about it in some interview. But - is it possible that the girls were collecting a group to go, and no one was available?

Thank you! I've been thinking about the 2:07 SC photo. They were half-way across the bridge at that point, and in some of the videos I've watched of people crossing that bridge at an average pace, it doesn't take more than 5 minutes or so, one way, even for a first-timer. I know the girls were taking pictures and probably dawdling, etc., but still, they likely could have gotten to the south end, turned around, and walked back across before anyone, even local, could have seen the SC photo, walked/driven to the trail, parked, walked to the bridge, and started crossing it before the girls came back. I could be totally wrong.

That's what made me wonder if one of L's friends who knew they were going to the bridge before they got there might have said something to somebody online, so the killer was basically heading to the trail at the same time the girls were.

I still think it's possible one of them was being watched and they were followed there. Or, they were seen driving or dropped off and maybe the killer knew who they were because of online anthony_shots activity, etc. Who knows!

 

[FrostedGlass]

Thank you! I've been thinking about the 2:07 SC photo. They were half-way across the bridge at that point, and in some of the videos I've watched of people crossing that bridge at an average pace, it doesn't take more than 5 minutes or so, one way, even for a first-timer. I know the girls were taking pictures and probably dawdling, etc., but still, they likely could have gotten to the south end, turned around, and walked back across before anyone, even local, could have seen the SC photo, walked/driven to the trail, parked, walked to the bridge, and started crossing it before the girls came back. I could be totally wrong.

That's what made me wonder if one of L's friends who knew they were going to the bridge before they got there might have said something to somebody online, so the killer was basically heading to the trail at the same time the girls were.

I still think it's possible one of them was being watched and they were followed there...

I've often wondered if they went down the hill, at least as far as the private drive, to take pics of the creek. Then, when they came back up, they saw BG on the bridge.

 

[prblythe]

You know what they say about coincedences. Nothing is random, certainly where there are this many. They have the guy. Im 99% solid on this I hink he is hanging his nown noose and I doubt others were involved, but in sure he shared some things for perv group notoriety. He is a sick freak and I long for the day he is punished for the horrible crimes commited.

 

[prblythe]

You know what they say about coincedences. Nothing is random, certainly where there are this many. They have the guy. Im 99% solid on this I hink he is hanging his nown noose and I doubt others were involved, but in sure he shared some things for perv group notoriety. He is a sick freak and I long for the day he is punished for the horrible crimes commited.

Edit ... cops called his bluff. Now may justice be swift.

 

[justice_hunter]

GH is sharing some information he received on the Anthony_Shots profile in March of 2017. It includes screenshots of an Anthony_Shots conversation with another individual.

ETA: I will have to go back to get the verbatim, but it sounds like it is being stated that this conversation was between a friend of Libby’s, which she had recently spent the night with, and the Anthony_Shots profile. JMO

Video removed by GH and reposted as a "recap":

 

[joe jones]

No it does not require a warrant to see who's IP address illegal material is downloaded to. To go to the actual address does require a warrant but that would be easily attained with the evidence of the downloads to the IP address.

all internet providers require a subpoena before they hand over account details such as name and address, in the affidavit they state Comcast was subpoenad and that is where they got the kline information to then go to a judge and get the SW for the home

 

[joe jones]

Typical.

As in all cases, if it doesn't come out of LE's mouth, I don't take it as fact.

me neither, the stuff that gets posted as fact is insane,