Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

[AgeofAquaruis]

Ooh haven’t posted in months so there is new news?


I followed this case in the beginning but I felt like it wouldn’t get solved.

Me too. Hope what they have is what cracks this case.

 

[otto]

This one, too. I'd pick him out of a line up. He's the first suspect I've seen in this case that looks like BG.

Anybody do a voice comparison yet?

Same image, lightened via Photoshop

 

[Yemelyan]

Which dozens of persons of interest have police identified as being connected to the murders, aside from the man who lived near the location of the bodies?

Police have said from the beginning of the case that they weren't going to name or comment on POIs but mainstream and social media frenzy over the years about similar or geographically-linked crimes led to police having to comment on the fact that they were "looking into" certain individuals (my personal opinion is that in most of these cases police had to make a statement to relieve pressure on the tip line) - I believe all of these people have been convicted of sexual crimes with the exception of Paul Etter (who killed himself to avoid apprehension) so I'll just name them here:
Daniel Nations
Thomas Bruce
Paul Etter
Charles Eldredge
James Brian Chadwell

Police have never gone so far as to publicly connect any of them to the murders - just to confirm in MSM that they were aware of them and looking into them.

However, what I think the original poster was referring to is that on boards like Websleuths and other places on the internet, there have been dozens of individuals since 2017 who have been sleuthed by the public as the "flavor of the month" POI for this case.

 

[otto]

Police have said from the beginning of the case that they weren't going to name or comment on POIs but mainstream and social media frenzy over the years about similar or geographically-linked crimes led to police having to comment on the fact that they were "looking into" certain individuals (my personal opinion is that in most of these cases police had to make a statement to relieve pressure on the tip line) - I believe all of these people have been convicted of sexual crimes with the exception of Paul Etter (who killed himself to avoid apprehension) so I'll just name them here:
Daniel Nations
Thomas Bruce
Paul Etter
Charles Eldredge
James Brian Chadwell

Police have never gone so far as to publicly connect any of them to the murders - just to confirm in MSM that they were aware of them and looking into them.

However, what I think the original poster was referring to is that on boards like Websleuths and other places on the internet, there have been dozens of individuals since 2017 who have been sleuthed by the public as the "flavor of the month" POI for this case.

Of course there have been all sorts of strange visions in the FBI photo, and there is the sleuthing approach of finding people in the community (such as known sex offenders) and trying to connect those people to the murders.

If we look strictly at persons of interest named by police based on evidence that leads to a suspect, there are not dozens of people. This, for me, is the first person to be tied to the murders by police. I'm not aware of any other strong suspect named by police, other than the man who owned property near the location of the bodies.

 

[joe jones]

this case has in many ways set the hounds loose, posters (on facebook I have yet to venture to reddit or any other sites) accuse anybody they feel like accusing, they contact their work, some I have seen contacted a persons church to keep the children safe, all just because their are no repercussions so far, it is horrendous to see that the family and friends of Kline are being accused of being BG especially his father, and if not BG then they have to be child pornographers as they are either his family or in some way connected to him via social media

Websleuths has rules which stop posters behaving like that,

 

[Yemelyan]

Of course there have been all sorts of strange visions in the FBI photo, and there is the sleuthing approach of finding people in the community (such as known sex offenders) and trying to connect those people to the murders.

If we look strictly at persons of interest named by police based on evidence that leads to a suspect, there are not dozens of people. This, for me, is the first person to be tied to the murders by police. I'm not aware of any other strong suspect named by police, other than the man who owned property near the location of the bodies.

You're not wrong - he is the first to rise to the level of a press release asking for details about his social media accounts, for example. I do think, however, that the original poster was musing about the "dozens" who have been dragged through the mud (in some cases) on social media, etc - not what the police have been doing.

 

[JnRyan]

What exactly do y’all think the additional information LE is supposed to be releasing next week will look like? Another bulletin, press conference, small or large?
Do you think it will just be a request for some other type of information? A clarification of how this relates to Delphi? Putting into context this week’s police bulletin? Release of actual/additional helpful information? Declaration of a real suspect? Arrest or charges brought to someone.
I know what I want it to be! What I don’t want it to be is another nothing of a press conference, where LE treats us like we don’t exist or one full of manufactured drama that goes nowhere.

Thanks for that! Sometimes I can't quite put my thoughts into words, but I'm not going to plagiarize as this states what I believe.

 

[joe jones]

Of course there have been all sorts of strange visions in the FBI photo, and there is the sleuthing approach of finding people in the community (such as known sex offenders) and trying to connect those people to the murders.

If we look strictly at persons of interest named by police based on evidence that leads to a suspect, there are not dozens of people. This, for me, is the first person to be tied to the murders by police. I'm not aware of any other strong suspect named by police, other than the man who owned property near the location of the bodies.

but he has not been tied to Delphi murders by police, they were asking for information about Anthony Shots and then we learned it was Kline, but LE have not said he was considered a suspect, or have in any way linked him to Delphi as far as I have seen

 

[otto]

but he has not been tied to Delphi murders by police, they were asking for information about Anthony Shots and then we learned it was Kline, but LE have not said he was considered a suspect, or have in any way linked him to Delphi as far as I have seen

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This person of interest has been connected to the murders.

"Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, used the fake social media profile "anthony_shots" to solicit underage females and obtain nude photos, according to a 2020 affidavit obtained by the the Journal & Courier and the (Muncie) Star Press.

The same profile was cited Monday in an investigation into the unsolved murders of two Delphi teenagers.

Detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and Indiana State Police investigating the unsolved 2017 murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German announced Monday they uncovered an online profile used to communicate with young girls."
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Delphi murders: Fake 'anthony_shots' account is Kegan Kline, docs say

"Detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and Indiana State Police investigating the unsolved murders of two Delphi, Ind., teenage girls have uncovered an online profile used to communicate with young girls.

The online profile on social media platforms such as, but not limited to, Snapchat and Instagram, used images of a male model portraying himself as wealthy and owning several cars, the Indiana State Police announced Monday night."
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Delphi murders updates: Investigators uncover online profile, seek info

"The creator of a catfish social media account linked to the Delphi 'Snapchat murders' has been behind bars for more than a year after being arrested in a child *advertiser censored* sting following a raid of his home.

Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, was arrested and charged in August last year with 30 felonies, including possession of child *advertiser censored*, exploitation of children, and soliciting minors for sex, police records observed by The Sun show.
....

According to an affidavit, Kline admitted to investigators that he used a series of fake social media profiles on Instagram and Snapchat to contact underage girls and solicit nude images from them.

One of those accounts, called anthony_shots, was this week linked to the unsolved deaths of Abby and Libby, though police have so far declined to offer specifics."
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'Delphi murders' catfish has been jailed for a YEAR for child *advertiser censored* arrest

 

[margarita25]

Hi everyone, just hearing the latest, wow, going back to read, thanks everyone for the updates.

 

[joe jones]

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This person of interest has been connected to the murders.

"Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, used the fake social media profile "anthony_shots" to solicit underage females and obtain nude photos, according to a 2020 affidavit obtained by the the Journal & Courier and the (Muncie) Star Press.

The same profile was cited Monday in an investigation into the unsolved murders of two Delphi teenagers.

Detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and Indiana State Police investigating the unsolved 2017 murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German announced Monday they uncovered an online profile used to communicate with young girls."
​

Delphi murders: Fake 'anthony_shots' account is Kegan Kline, docs say

"Detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and Indiana State Police investigating the unsolved murders of two Delphi, Ind., teenage girls have uncovered an online profile used to communicate with young girls.

The online profile on social media platforms such as, but not limited to, Snapchat and Instagram, used images of a male model portraying himself as wealthy and owning several cars, the Indiana State Police announced Monday night."
​

Delphi murders updates: Investigators uncover online profile, seek info

"The creator of a catfish social media account linked to the Delphi 'Snapchat murders' has been behind bars for more than a year after being arrested in a child *advertiser censored* sting following a raid of his home.

Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, was arrested and charged in August last year with 30 felonies, including possession of child *advertiser censored*, exploitation of children, and soliciting minors for sex, police records observed by The Sun show.
....

According to an affidavit, Kline admitted to investigators that he used a series of fake social media profiles on Instagram and Snapchat to contact underage girls and solicit nude images from them.

One of those accounts, called anthony_shots, was this week linked to the unsolved deaths of Abby and Libby, though police have so far declined to offer specifics."
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'Delphi murders' catfish has been jailed for a YEAR for child *advertiser censored* arrest

that is all just media spin, nowhere has ISP said anything about him being connected to the murders, they said he was uncovered during the 2017 investigation into the murders, he was initially found by the FBI, and they have asked for the publics help only related to
his Anthony Shots profile, their as far as I have seen been no statement made by LE that states he is being connected to or investigated in the Delphi murders

in the affidavit it states he was questioned about another ISP case, case number or any identifying details about the case are redacted, but it is obviously Delphi he was questioned about back in 2017,

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LE are supposed to be giving an update sometime so they may then make further statements.

 

[iamnotagolem]

right.. it baffles me how many of dozens can be BG ...every time a new name appears ..the theories change drastically and he becomes bg regardless of how he looks or how he appears as a personality ..not to me ..i also have a fixed image ( not a physical image but rather a whole package )

Agreed. I also think a lot of people try to squeeze in the POI of the week into BGs shoes.

For example KK is 6’ and his dad is taller based on photos, so let’s say he’s barely taller at 6’2”

Then the description of BG:

FBI description: The FBI said the suspected killer is a white man who weighs between 180 and 200 pounds. He stands between 5 feet, 6 inches tall and 5 feet, 8 inches tall, and was wearing blue jeans, a blue jacket or coat and a hoodie.

Delphi killings: What we know about killings of Abby and Libby

Now let’s assume for a minute that the FBI was off on height and BG is really 5’10, that’s still 2” shorter than KK.

Do we want to talk about the weight discrepancies? Even if KK has grown 4-6 inches in the last 5 years, he was still 50+lbs (being quite conservative) heavier than BG in 2017 based on photos.

 

[mekeritrig]

FBI description: The FBI said the suspected killer is a white man who weighs between 180 and 200 pounds. He stands between 5 feet, 6 inches tall and 5 feet, 8 inches tall, and was wearing blue jeans, a blue jacket or coat and a hoodie.

This is not what the FBI currently has on the official poster. It says the following:

"The person depicted in the composite sketch is described as a White male between 5'6" and 5'10", weighing 180 to 220 pounds, with reddishbrown hair. His eye color is unknown. The suspect is believed to be between 18 and 40 years old but may appear younger." (bbm)​

 

[MistyWaters]

Just on the topic of Child Predators in general, Dr Phil’s feature of his show last Thursday (Dec 8) was titled To Catch on Online Child Predator.

The FBI says that on any given day, there are 500,000 predators online looking for their next young prey.

 

[Boxer]

Agreed. I also think a lot of people try to squeeze in the POI of the week into BGs shoes.

For example KK is 6’ and his dad is taller based on photos, so let’s say he’s barely taller at 6’2”

Then the description of BG:

FBI description: The FBI said the suspected killer is a white man who weighs between 180 and 200 pounds. He stands between 5 feet, 6 inches tall and 5 feet, 8 inches tall, and was wearing blue jeans, a blue jacket or coat and a hoodie.

Delphi killings: What we know about killings of Abby and Libby

Now let’s assume for a minute that the FBI was off on height and BG is really 5’10, that’s still 2” shorter than KK.

Do we want to talk about the weight discrepancies? Even if KK has grown 4-6 inches in the last 5 years, he was still 50+lbs (being quite conservative) heavier than BG in 2017 based on photos.

MOO 2" not a deal breaker since it's all forensic measurement from scrambled a video clip.

 

[otto]

that is all just media spin, nowhere has ISP said anything about him being connected to the murders, they said he was uncovered during the 2017 investigation into the murders, he was initially found by the FBI, and they have asked for the publics help only related to
his Anthony Shots profile, their as far as I have seen been no statement made by LE that states he is being connected to or investigated in the Delphi murders

in the affidavit it states he was questioned about another ISP case, case number or any identifying details about the case are redacted, but it is obviously Delphi he was questioned about back in 2017,

<modnsip - no link>

LE are supposed to be giving an update sometime so they may then make further statements.

It's odd that so many news outlets got it wrong.

"Indiana State Police on Monday connected the “anthony_shots” profile to the investigation into the February 2017 homicides of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, who vanished while hiking in their hometown of Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. The teens went missing on Feb. 13, 2017. Their bodies were found in the woods the following day."
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Man behind “anthony_shots” account charged in child exploitation case

 

[AC4RD]

... KK is 6’ and his dad is taller based on photos, so let’s say ...

Where does the 6' figure come from? Did the police measure him at arrest? Or did they take it from his driver's license, do we know? The clerk at DMV always seems to say "How tall are you?" and writes down whatever you say. I've never noticed anybody being measured when getting a driver's license.

The photo of KAK with the man who is apparently his father--KAK is considerably thinner there. And KAK doesn't look 6 feet tall to me, though that's just my own guess.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I was curious of the words that were actually spoken by ISP:

00:13
while investigating the murders of
00:14
abigail williams and liberty german
00:16
detectives with the carroll county
00:18
sheriff's office and the indiana state
00:20
police have uncovered an online profile

……

02:02
again if you have any information please
02:04
contact law enforcement by utilizing the
02:07
tip email abby and libby tip at
02:10
cacoshrf.com
02:14
thank you

 

[Turkeytrot]

Just on the topic of Child Predators in general, Dr Phil’s feature of his show last Thursday (Dec 8) was titled To Catch on Online Child Predator.

The FBI says that on any given day, there are 500,000 predators online looking for their next young prey.

I just saw this local (to me) article a bit ago
Penn Hills Man Accused In Sextortion Teen Scheme Detained

 

[MistyWaters]

but he has not been tied to Delphi murders by police, they were asking for information about Anthony Shots and then we learned it was Kline, but LE have not said he was considered a suspect, or have in any way linked him to Delphi as far as I have seen

Then comes the issue of LE recently imposing a blackout on releasing information regarding suspects, so I’m not sure sure LE would say who is a suspect until charges were laid.

paylocked -
Delphi murder investigators impose information blackout on possible suspects
Journal and Courier