Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

[MollyDDD]

It’s interesting if you think of predators particularly child predators as having a similar mindset of a hardcore drug addict. They know it’s wrong, they know it hurts themselves and others but they cannot look away. They need to save their sick pics and videos because in their minds they cannot let it go. It is their drug of choice if you will. IMO

Yep, food, drugs, sex, gambling…

 

[ReadySet]

This is the most reassuring post I've seen. LE knew or at least strongly suspected the Rhoden killers for years. Even though they murdered multiple people, they didn't arrest them. They knew they were dangerous and could have gone on to kill others. They even moved to Alaska. Surely they could have arrested at least one of them one something. But as you said, they waited until they had enough evidence for the big case.

I have no idea if KAK is resonsible for the Delphi murders, but I do think that just because he wasn't arrest for the CSAM right away, doesn't mean they messed up.

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I just hope they find that one piece of evidence to convict the killer. It took the police and the FBI five years to catch the killers of the Rhoden family in Ohio. And LE suspected the actual killers for years, but couldn’t arrest them without key irrefutable evidence. At least two of the killers took pleas deals and are now prepared to turn on the others.

I think LE has been following KK for a while. How else did they know he was going to be at his girlfriends house when they arrested him? I think they’ve been waiting for him to slip up.

 

[alliecat44]

IMO, I do think there was a coded message in the statement released today. The idea of “wanting to know what we know” has been a thread through multiple carefully-worded interactions with the media (including the 2019 press conference).
That phrasing is so awkward, abd the sentiment such an unusual one for LE to express—and the fact that the first time it was said was in a message directly to the killer (2019 PC) I have to believe it is significant in some way.

likewise the weird phrasing about “no person we feel has intentionally done something wrong”—just very odd diction there.

I trust that LE knows exactly what they’re doing.

Personally, I am thinking KK spilled his guts when interviewed, and then agreed to cooperate with LE to catch additional child predators. They could surveil his communication on all of his devices and use KK as a means to try to tease out the real identities of some of these CSAM creeps—and maybe even get the Delphi murderer to out themselves, if they trusted KK as a fellow pedophile.

After his cooperation is complete and they have their bigger fish, boom—he is sent to the DA, arrested, pleads guilty and gets a lesser sentence fir his cooperation. And meanwhile LE makes an arrest in the Delphi murders the same day/week.
MOO, YMMV. To me this would explain everything we’re seeing.

 

[SuziQ]

In late 2019, detectives sought to use a podcast, “The 5th Floor,” ‎The 5th Floor on Apple Podcasts named after the area in police headquarters where cold-case homicide detectives work.

The Podcast and Advance DNA led detectives to Harold Jarrell, who last resided in Vegas and is now deceased.

Columbus police close 1982 homicide with help of podcast, family DNA database

These podcasts can reach a section of people that LE may not be able to. What a wonderful tool.

Your Own Backyard is a podcast that facilitated arrests on a cold case. Person after person started contacting the host. It was amazing to follow along.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

IMO, I do think there was a coded message in the statement released today. The idea of “wanting to know what we know” has been a thread through multiple carefully-worded interactions with the media (including the 2019 press conference).
That phrasing is so awkward, abd the sentiment such an unusual one for LE to express—and the fact that the first time it was said was in a message directly to the killer (2019 PC) I have to believe it is significant in some way.

likewise the weird phrasing about “no person we feel has intentionally done something wrong”—just very odd diction there.

I trust that LE knows exactly what they’re doing.

Personally, I am thinking KK spilled his guts when interviewed, and then agreed to cooperate with LE to catch additional child predators. They could surveil his communication on all of his devices and use KK as a means to try to tease out the real identities of some of these CSAM creeps—and maybe even get the Delphi murderer to out themselves, if they trusted KK as a fellow pedophile.

After his cooperation is complete and they have their bigger fish, boom—he is sent to the DA, arrested, pleads guilty and gets a lesser sentence fir his cooperation. And meanwhile LE makes an arrest in the Delphi murders the same day/week.
MOO, YMMV. To me this would explain everything we’re seeing.

Except he's already been arrested and has been sitting in jail since last year.

 

[paraphrase]

That's what I assumed at the beginning - that the FBI were investigating a ring and there would be significant related federal charges soon. The FBI and USAO (federal prosecutors) usually put out a press release announcing the arrest/breakup of a ring.

But the ISP statement is very weird. It says "We know there was a gap..." or something without stating that this was an open and ongoing FBI investigation. If they were actively investigating it doesn't seem to me like they'd need to announce that they recognize people are confused about the gap? Then they claim it wasn't "intentional wrongdoing" - which made it seem to me like a mistake? Or negligence?

I will pull and post some recent CSAM prosecutions.

The word "gap" struck me as very odd, too. Not usual and customary LE language. Knowing how LE speaks directly to the killer, I googled "gap Delphi". There's a program in that area called GAP for prisoners to transition into society. Just thought that was interesting.

Church bridges gap between jail and freedom

 

[FromGermany1]

Doubtful he used his personal FB acct announcing he was a Judge at the time he was propositioning an escort. Pedophiles who catfish minors is a whole different story IMO.

Indeed I bolded the Fb part (also important), but my line of thoughts was another one. Maybe, something/-one was in the way of an ongoing investigation and a timely arrest of a poi. Maybe, there were stops of the process at several points, because LE had to be considerate.

 

[sunshineray]

Oh wow. WTH?

I have so many more questions now.

This part from the article is blowing my mind as one can interpret what they are saying in so many ways!

"Like so many other pieces of this investigation, we will always review, learn from, and make any necessary adjustments. We do not believe that any person has done anything intentionally wrong, but we will continue to critically evaluate our efforts.

We know there is enormous interest in the “WHY” of everything we do, but we cannot and will not speculate. One day you will have the opportunity to see and know what we do, and we look forward to that day."

That quote above reminds me of one of Jack Nicholson's lines from the movie 'A Few Good Men'.

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!"

I really, really hope this doesn't mean that someone in LE unintentionally let something big slip through the cracks.

I had a whole lot of faith in the upwards of two dozen different agencies that have worked on this case that they were all checking each others work to make sure that nothing was missed!

Taking deep breaths right now.

JMO

Rereading this from so many years past is upsetting...to say the least...and I'm not local to the area. Almost 5 years later and considering the recent ISP released video, the words from the FBI in this article give one great pause. AJMO

FBI searches Peru home, finds no link to Delphi killings

 

[Charlot123]

I looked at KAK...I have a feeling that he might have some medical condition, although I would not try to guess what it is. Comparing with BG - huge difference.

Also, I remembered how DC said in 2019: "A question to you. What will those closest to you think when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls? Only a coward would do such a thing".

Hints at DC knowing who the killer is and holding "the closest to him" in certain esteem...

Would it be KAK's father? I think, not. Someone totally different.

My impression: whoever they thought BG was, he had respected parents/wife/kids.

Or maybe, it was just a shot in the dark, and LE were unaware of the perp's name - but DC's words were not aimed at KAK, either.

I don't see much similarity between KAK and BG. Not to condone what KAK was doing, a pedophile is a pedophile.

 

[alliecat44]

Sitting in jail for over a year before a pre-trial hearing sounds about right to me, especially if there have been moves to delay because of ongoing cooperation or the ongoing investigation.

 

[distracted]

One theory that I have regarding the killer being alerted to the girls presence on the bridge that day:

KAK listed (at some point) that he was the owner of Kline Photography. It could be that under the guise of Anthony Shots, he told one of them that one of his favorite spots to take photos was the Monon High Bridge and that he planned to be there at some point that day.

We all know that it has been said that the girls had no plans to go to the bridge that day, that they had planned a Mall trip that was apparently pushed back to late afternoon or early evening. They were bored with the hours that lay in between.

Maybe one of the girls recalled the fact that the Shots profile told them he would likely be there and they thought "Maybe we will actually see him out there and get the chance to meet him."

Whoever it was that killed the girls that day COULD have offered this scenario to several different girls HOPING that they would "bite" and show up. I remember one individual stating that they saw who they thought BG was and said hello, but that he just glared at her. It made her feel creeped out. I do believe she was with a group of others, and that could be what saved her. (all just speculation).

Anyhow- if he was there- and this is what occurred- that photo of Abby on the bridge that uploaded to Snap Chat is all he would have needed to understand EXACTLY where they were. It fell into place, just as he had hoped.

This all just my opinion and speculation , and one of several things that I believe could have happened.


MOO JMO AMOO

I think your theory is quite possible. When I first saw the reference to Kline Photography the day his name was released, knowing that Libby was interested in photography, I wondered if he might have used that shared interest to talk to Libby - or other girls, for that matter. That interest might have fostered a level of trust.

 

[distracted]

In late 2019, detectives sought to use a podcast, “The 5th Floor,” ‎The 5th Floor on Apple Podcasts named after the area in police headquarters where cold-case homicide detectives work.

The Podcast and Advance DNA led detectives to Harold Jarrell, who last resided in Vegas and is now deceased.

Columbus police close 1982 homicide with help of podcast, family DNA database

These podcasts can reach a section of people that LE may not be able to. What a wonderful tool.

I listen to a podcast now and but they're very popular with young adults like my own kids, especially the true crime podcasts.

 

[crussell821]

She says that when she met him back then he looked just like he does in the mugshot.

She also said she estimated his weight at @200 lbs.

.....which is confusing.

Says KAK sounds like the recording of BG.

Not sure about her.

She told them she had not talked to LE at all about this. That seems weird. If the interviewers found her, it is logical to conclude that the LE could have as well.

But, glad the interviewers sent it all to the tip line. They can sort it out.

Younger people, and/or those who have never been overweight, have a hard time estimating weight IMO. 200 lbs sounds like a lot to slim young woman, when it’s really an average weight for lots of people. MOO

 

[sandy_80]

Oooh, I know why {{raises hand}} because it's next week. My own personal thoughts.

because a tv channel or somthing was planning to release the info publicly.

 

[justice_hunter]

Are we sure who lives at that address now?

Per the Miami County Elevate GIS system, it is owned by JLK, likely a family member of TK and KAK.

 

[justice_hunter]

Everyone is uber focused on the "gap" portion of ISP's statement, but the first couple of sentences and the last sentence of the statement really jump out at me.

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"The Indiana State Police has received many media inquiries since our December 6th press release concerning “anthony_shots” and eventually the identification of Kegan Kline."

I think they said that to get the media to back off a bit. To me, this entire statement was directed more towards the media then the general public.​

"Your questions are certainly relevant as they relate to a long, complex, and extremely complicated murder investigation."

IMO, this is the most important sentence in the statement. They did NOT rule out KAK anywhere in this statement, but instead reinforced that this is still a murder investigation that KAK is associated with in some way...​

The last sentence is cryptic and extremely interesting, IMO:

"We know there is enormous interest in the “WHY” of everything we do, but we cannot and will not speculate. One day you will have the opportunity to see and know what we do, and we look forward to that day."

The "WHY of everything [they] do..." Ultimately, their job is to bring AW and LG's killer to justice. Everyone is focusing on this "gap" in time regarding KAK, but I think there is a solid reason for that gap. I think they needed that time to thoroughly investigate, and also to get the data retrieved from those phones using the new technology that wasn't allowed for use until 2020, IIRC.

This is a "long, complex, and extremely complicated murder investigation." They needed time to get their ducks in a row. Perhaps, KAK was helping their investigation during this time as an informant. I think this is the "WHY?" for the gap. They answered this for us in their own statement.

IMO they may have a pretty solid idea of who AW and LG's killer is and I think they were spending this time collecting evidence and building a case. They want to ensure they're crossing their "T's" and dotting their "I's" before pressing charges or arresting that person or persons.​

What Indiana State Police are saying about Kegan Kline, ‘anthony_shots’ and the Delphi murder investigation

 

[flashy09]

This is the most reassuring post I've seen. LE knew or at least strongly suspected the Rhoden killers for years. Even though they murdered multiple people, they didn't arrest them. They knew they were dangerous and could have gone on to kill others. They even moved to Alaska. Surely they could have arrested at least one of them one something. But as you said, they waited until they had enough evidence for the big case.

I have no idea if KAK is resonsible for the Delphi murders, but I do think that just because he wasn't arrest for the CSAM right away, doesn't mean they messed up.

It would just be so much more believable if that sentence believing that no mistakes were made intentionally wasn't in the press release. Why follow up the paragraph regarding the 3 yr gap before the arrest with a sentence about unintentional mistakes? I took that as an admission of a mistake made.

 

[justice_hunter]

It would just be so much more believable if that sentence believing that no mistakes were made intentionally wasn't in the press release. Why follow up the paragraph regarding the 3 yr gap before the arrest with a sentence about unintentional mistakes? I took that as an admission of a mistake made.

I think ISP was getting inundated by media questions regarding this gap and probably needed them to back off. I think that was probably something the media was asking over and over again and this is just a blanket statement to try to at least answer that question to free up their resources for other questions and/or tip work.

 

[justice_hunter]

Regarding that gap, does anyone think KAK could have been working as a confidential informant before his arrest?

 

[stattlich1]

It is simply not unusual for LE to be aware of criminal activity yet not engage so as to further an investigation in to the same, or another matter.