Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

[GoBuckeyes]

Maybe Dad is downloading *advertiser censored*. They noticed the activity continued after he was imprisoned?

Wouldn't that require a search warrant to continue monitoring activity when the son, the only known to LE perp in the house, was in jail? MOO

 

[cbeagle]

I want to find the article that mentioned LE set up a satellite at the scene in order to transmit to Homeland Security and the FBI in DC and Virginia. That's amazing to me.

@paraphrase
There's this:

Nearby, on a blocked off side street, sit satellite dishes, presumably to give FBI agents immediate contact with investigators at the agency’s east coast analytical sites where DNA evidence is likely being processed and a killer’s profile may be developed to give detectives a clue to the mindset, behavioral and personality traits of the man they are seeking.

Police continue investigation of several ‘people of interest’ a month into Delphi murder investigation | Fox 59

 

[x_files]

Letting crimes against children occur to further any investigation would be unconscionable...to me. AJMO

You raised my blood pressure sky high with your post. Not your fault, you're just the messenger

Wouldn't that require a search warrant to continue monitoring activity when the son, the only known to LE perp in the house, was in jail? MOO

It would seem as so.

 

[Jealoushe]

Just the mention of the time from 2017 - 2020 makes me think they feel guilty over things committed then.

Or maybe there was media involving the girls submitted that was shared during that time but they ignored...

 

[cbeagle]

Was a clue being dropped here, in March 2017:

Investigators have served approximately 70 search warrants and subpoenas, some as far away as Peru in Miami County, and checked on the probation status of dozens of sex offenders, many of whom were cleared as suspects in the murders based on interviews, alibis or polygraph examinations.

It's ~41 miles from Delphi to Peru, is that really "far away" in this context?

Police continue investigation of several ‘people of interest’ a month into Delphi murder investigation | Fox 59

 

[StarryStarryNight]

IMHO, a CI is hardly a hero role. I think a lot of perps only agree to be CIs to try to reduce charges and/or time off sentences.

There's nothing to confirm he was on the run either...

I don’t think he was an informant.
Any other child *advertiser censored* criminals in his territory and probably beyond knew he had been busted so I think they would have scurried away from him like the rats they are, so not much info to gather there.

 

[MollyDDD]

I just have to point out his charges pertaining to 2/17/2017 because those are the most serious charges he faces, F4 (although all his charges are sickening...) :

35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
21 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
22 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
23 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(d)/F5: Possession of Child *advertiser censored* with an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(e)(1
24 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(d)/F6: Possession of Child *advertiser censored*
25 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
_________

The aggravating factors pertain to items he was in possession of and/or attempting to disseminate (share). The exploitation aggravating factors (c)(1) are within the below codes, and (e)(1) is similar but in reference to possession of child *advertiser censored*:

Indiana Code Title 35. Criminal Law and Procedure § 35-42-4-4 | FindLaw

(c) However, the offense of child exploitation described in subsection (b) is a Level 4 felony if:

(1) the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident depicts or describes a child less than eighteen (18) years of age who:

(A) engages in bestiality (as described in IC 35-46-3-14 );

(B) is mentally disabled or deficient;

(C) participates in the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident by use of force or the threat of force;

(D) physically or verbally resists participating in the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident;

(E) receives a bodily injury while participating in the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident;  or

(F) is less than twelve (12) years of age;  or

Makes me want to vomit. These monsters should get the death penalty. IMO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

It seems to me that it's possible that a news source, 1 or more, got their hands on some information that LE didn't intend for them to have or that LE passed on previously, determining that the info wasn't important. Cutting to the chase, it feels like LE is trying to get out in front of something. AMOO I do hope I'm wrong, but the more they say, the more I get that feeling.

 

[MollyDDD]

I just have to point out his charges pertaining to 2/17/2017 because those are the most serious charges he faces, F4 (although all his charges are sickening...) :

35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
21 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
22 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
23 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(d)/F5: Possession of Child *advertiser censored* with an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(e)(1
24 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(d)/F6: Possession of Child *advertiser censored*
25 02/17/2017 35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
_________

The aggravating factors pertain to items he was in possession of and/or attempting to disseminate (share). The exploitation aggravating factors (c)(1) are within the below codes, and (e)(1) is similar but in reference to possession of child *advertiser censored*:

Indiana Code Title 35. Criminal Law and Procedure § 35-42-4-4 | FindLaw

(c) However, the offense of child exploitation described in subsection (b) is a Level 4 felony if:

(1) the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident depicts or describes a child less than eighteen (18) years of age who:

(A) engages in bestiality (as described in IC 35-46-3-14 );

(B) is mentally disabled or deficient;

(C) participates in the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident by use of force or the threat of force;

(D) physically or verbally resists participating in the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident;

(E) receives a bodily injury while participating in the sexual conduct, matter, performance, or incident;  or

(F) is less than twelve (12) years of age;  or

Makes me want to vomit. These monsters should get the death penalty. IMO

No idea...I'm so confused.

Me too.

 

[joe jones]

Is it just me or is anyone wondering why KAK has a jury trial in 2022 ? Surely the fact he's already serving a jail sentence for the CSAM means this is for something additional ?
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated, I may just be clutching at straws tbh.......

the jury trial is in relation to CSAM charges from the 2017 search

 

[Yemelyan]

Regarding that gap, does anyone think KAK could have been working as a confidential informant before his arrest?

Yes, absolutely. It seems to me that he was likely cooperating and providing information (on the Delphi case and/or others), until he wasn't anymore/had nothing else useful, and then he was arrested and the judicial process went into motion. The "ebb and flow" as they slow-walked his prosecution for the exchange of information is not that uncommon in a situation like this, IMO.

 

[sunshineray]

Just the mention of the time from 2017 - 2020 makes me think they feel guilty over things committed then.

Or maybe there was media involving the girls submitted that was shared during that time but they ignored...

I don't think it was ignored. I think it was overlooked by probably multiple errors. LE are humans and are not infallible, just like the rest of us.

 

[sunshineray]

Wouldn't that require a search warrant to continue monitoring activity when the son, the only known to LE perp in the house, was in jail? MOO

Maybe the father also has a record?

 

[stattlich1]

It was discussed years ago, that if LE came down on and/or arrested every criminal that surfaced during this (and I presume other) investigation then that could or would likely hinder any and/or all potential criminals coming forth with information that may solve this crime.

So, I could see a LE investigator sitting in an office, having to make THAT decision. If we arrest now, believing this particular line of investigation may prove useful, but if we arrest now, then any potential useful information from other parties involved may be gone forever.

All I can say is, I'm glad I'm not the one in THOSE shoes.

Understand, I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, but it's easy to armchair quarterback in this, and other cases.

 

[sunshineray]

@paraphrase
There's this:

Nearby, on a blocked off side street, sit satellite dishes, presumably to give FBI agents immediate contact with investigators at the agency’s east coast analytical sites where DNA evidence is likely being processed and a killer’s profile may be developed to give detectives a clue to the mindset, behavioral and personality traits of the man they are seeking.

Police continue investigation of several ‘people of interest’ a month into Delphi murder investigation | Fox 59

Wasn't the FBI on scene and participating in both of the early on search warrants we've been having discussions about? The Bicycle Bridge Rd. and the KAK residence in Peru?

 

[stattlich1]

Wasn't the FBI on scene and participating in both of the early on search warrants we've been having discussions about? The Bicycle Bridge Rd. and the KAK residence in Peru?

Yes indeed, I am certain they were. The FBI has likely been on board all throughout this investigation, though not as visible as in the early weeks/months/years.

Think about it. All the resources the United States FBI, along with ALL the other LE agencies, specialists, professionals, etc. have thrown at this case, and it remains unsolved.

I'd wager when the story comes out as to what really happened here, we'll all be able to eat some crow, including me

 

[justice_hunter]

Is it just me or is anyone wondering why KAK has a jury trial in 2022 ? Surely the fact he's already serving a jail sentence for the CSAM means this is for something additional ?
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated, I may just be clutching at straws tbh.......

I think he's in jail awaiting trial for the original CSAM charges. He either wasn't given bond or it was set so high he couldn't afford to bond out while he awaits trial. He hasn't been sentenced for any jail time because he hasn't had his trial or been convicted yet.

 

[AC4RD]

I'm still thinking about the "he's too big to be BG" issue. I do not believe KAK's physical appearance in the 2020 arrest photo means that he could not be BG. (I am not saying I believe he IS BG, just that his size doesn't mean it is impossible.) Compiled photos here ( https://kuzenski.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/kak-sizes-01.jpg ) show KAK at three timepoints; #2 is apparently a year after the murders, #3 is at the time of arrest in 2020. I can't find a date related to the first photo.

A considerable change in body habitus is obvious from earlier to the final (2020) timepoint. Diet and exercise are not the only possible explanations for this change. If this person had been treated with high-dose prednisone or other oral steroids, the following changes would be routine: "moon facies" (moon face), "buffalo hump" weight gain, changes in personality, and overall weight change and redistribution.

It is also worth noting that prednisone may be associated with "extreme changes in mood" and "loss of contact with reality" ( Prednisone: MedlinePlus Drug Information ).

This young lady displays before-and-after effects of high-dose prednisone. These photos are undoubtedly copyrighted and I thank the young lady for posting the photos for others' knowledge. I use them here under the assumption of "fair use" ( Fair use - Wikipedia ). Her symptoms are from Crohn's Disease but these symptoms can occur in high-dose prednisone used for any indication. These are typicially inflammatory or autoimmune processes. Photos sources: https://i.imgur.com/82vlb3G.jpg?3 is taken from Imgur: The magic of the Internet

So MHO is 1.) KAK's size and shape changes could certainly be related to any high-dose steroids he might have used. If he had oral prednisone, he could have been BG in the 2017 video and Poppin' Fresh in 2020; and, 2.) the issue of mood swings and personality changes might be significant if he began steroids (and had personality changes) prior to February 2017.

[Much of my 30 years at work involved patients either with severe lung disease or pulmonary toxicity following chemotherapy and I've seen a lot of people undergo these steroid-related body and mood changes.]

 

[Kpossible44]

Looks like plea negotiations have failed.

Jury trial date set in Kegan Kline's child exploitation case | wthr.com

 

[paraphrase]

This older article addresses a question I had earlier, were all searchers investigated?

'He doesn't think he looks like the man on the bridge, but says he was among the hundreds of volunteers who searched for the girls.

"They looked at my phone. I don't know what all they did with it,"

"We been able to identify almost everybody else who has been on the trail. This gentleman has not been identified and we want to know what he saw. What he might've seen on the trail. Did he see what somebody else didn't see?" Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said.

Police set up new number for Delphi murder tips | wthr.com