Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[Spartygirl]

is it possible the "hill" the killer was talking about was the hill down to the creek from the private drive? I'm confused that "Guys" "Down the hill" is at the very end of the 43 seconds recorded. Was it specified the video is the 43 seconds as well as the audio? Or was some of it just audio as Libby hid her phone in a pocket?

Well, I am confused a bit on this being the END of taped convo since Abbys mom said, IIRC, that there was more with one of the girls saying, "there isn't anywhere to go here" which I took to mean, like not path, or trail.
so, that would have been the end of audio , IMO

 

[paraphrase]

IMO-- YES-- I think now, looking back, that the sketch released at 2019 presser could very well be a sketch of An_shots ... but they said it was based on a witness.
So... a witness who knew this profile "chatted" or followed Libby and/or Abby ??
Interesting

This reminds of an interview Libby's sister gave, divulging that Libby had been recently fighting with a friend over a guy. Maybe they were fighting over Anthony Shots. Maybe they realized he was a fake. And maybe the friend helped with the sketch. Just throwing ideas out there.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Do we know how long it takes (on average) to cross the bridge?

Did someone answer this yet?
It was said by a WS member that they went to the bridge and crossed it. They said it took them 30 minutes. But that they had stopped a long the way. IIRC he/she said that 15-20 minutes walk is approximately how long it would take with no stops. It was a few pages back on this thread.
JMOOOOO.

 

[sunshineray]

BBM
Which I have thought all along that Libby and Abby were targeted.
This is NOT random
JMO

Yes and didn't LE say early on, when saying there was no ongoing danger to public, that it was...IIRC, please correct me if not, specific to the victims.

When they showed KAK phone interview tonight, he said...again IIRC, that LE is telling him HE was the last one to communicate with Libby that day. IIRC...THAT is HUGE!

 

[soylattesandsleuthing]

Well, I am confused a bit on this being the END of taped convo since Abbys mom said, IIRC, that there was more with one of the girls saying, "there isn't anywhere to go here" which I took to mean, like not path, or trail.
so, that would have been the end of audio , IMO

I think A and L were talking before he approached, trying to figure out where to go. IIRC, they were creeped out by him and talking about how to get away from him, and that’s when that comment was made.

 

[Prime8]

Well, I am confused a bit on this being the END of taped convo since Abbys mom said, IIRC, that there was more with one of the girls saying, "there isn't anywhere to go here" which I took to mean, like not path, or trail.
so, that would have been the end of audio , IMO

I would say that some of the descriptions of the audio could be misunderstood or not specific enough for us to say that. If AW said that, she could have said it immediately before BG started talking.

HLN was also very clear to say, a few times, that this only pertains to this specific video and there is no information on if there is more than one video. It's almost like they were pushing the speculation out to the world that there could be another video.

 

[Marzipan]

I didn’t watch TV tonight but sure appreciate the updates and Tricia’s screencast. Thank you!
Random question: Was the reward money mentioned at all? When is the last time the reward money has been mentioned by anyone close to the case? Just curious.

 

[Prime8]

Did someone answer this yet?
It was said by a WS member that they went to the bridge and crossed it. They said it took them 30 minutes. But that they had stopped a long the way. IIRC he/she said that 15-20 minutes walk is approximately how long it would take with no stops. It was a few pages back on this thread.
JMOOOOO.

Yeah, I answered it. I was with someone who crossed the bridge, for their first time, walking at a quick speed (not stopping with every step) and it took them about 5 minutes. They are not afraid of heights and did not stop at any point. They did have to pay very close attention to every step though.

 

[JnRyan]

Tough to keep up tonight. (Yeah, that's a real shocker, right!) A lot to go over and in a little amount of time. And LE supposedly has more.

 

[sunshineray]

It was stated that the audio comes at the end of the 43 second video. There was no indication of where the phone was (LE may not know and it may not be relevant to the paperwork) If BG was 50-70 ft away from the girls in the clip we see, it would have taken him about 15 seconds to get to the girls (I did the math once based on average walking speeds).

And in the recent Tricia/GH live discussion, GH again mentions being told by family who heard the audio the girls mention seeing a gun and then a click was heard that was explained was a gun being cocked.

So my questioning is, was the end of the audio,"down the hill" actually on the private road down below the high bridge and said to get them down THAT hill to the creek bed?

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

At min 43:22 - 43:52 Paul Holes used the word ‘violence’ again: “ if they have a DNA sample there’s a possibility due to violence that when the girls may have been bleeding...” and he goes into more about the DNA being on the girls but how there blood may have saturated their clothes, any DNA that they may have is so small.

 

[sunshineray]

Well, I am confused a bit on this being the END of taped convo since Abbys mom said, IIRC, that there was more with one of the girls saying, "there isn't anywhere to go here" which I took to mean, like not path, or trail.
so, that would have been the end of audio , IMO

Correct, Anna said that on that Renner 360 interview. So was "Down the hill" actually said down the hill and in reference to the creek embankment? Maybe that's it?

 

[JnRyan]

At min 43:22 - 43:52 Paul Holes used the word ‘violence’ again: “ if they have a DNA sample there’s a possibility due to violence that when the girls may have been bleeding...” and he goes into more about the DNA being on the girls but how there blood may have saturated their clothes, any DNA that they may have is so small.

Yes, his inference is that the blood may mixed with the killer's DNA and he said mixed DNA profiles aren't of much value in forensics.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Tough to keep up tonight. (Yeah, that's a real shocker, right!) A lot to go over and in a little amount of time. And LE supposedly has more.

I hope they have A LOT more to say, and no rewording anything else that has been said by them in the past or anything else shared by others.
JMO

 

[Prime8]

And in the recent Tricia/GH live discussion, GH again mentions being told by family who heard the audio the girls mention seeing a gun and then a click was heard that was explained was a gun being cocked.

So my questioning is, was the end of the audio,"down the hill" actually on the private road down below the high bridge and said to get them down THAT hill to the creek bed?

We don't know that information. I think LE may have stated that he said it at the top of the bridge but I don't have anything I can use as a source off the top of my head.

Also, I don't watch GH videos but every time I hear the story, it get's more elaborate. First it was family hearing a sound that could be a gun being cocked and now there's an actual gun seen? I understand that AW talks to him and that WS allows discussion of his videos as if they are a trusted source but honestly, it's all speculation at this point.

 

[sunshineray]

Abby's mother said on some podcast that Abby had a "Fire" tablet, but did not have a cellphone. (She used it to read books on a vacation trip to New York, if I remember correctly.) Is that old news and do we know of Abby having a phone now? TIA!

I don't know, I hadn't heard about the Fire tablet.

 

[Spartygirl]

Yeah, I answered it. I was with someone who crossed the bridge, for their first time, walking at a quick speed (not stopping with every step) and it took them about 5 minutes. They are not afraid of heights and did not stop at any point. They did have to pay very close attention to every step though.

I have been there and it would take about 5 minutes so walk it without stopping.
I however, got half way and turned around because there was NO way I was crossing that thing with all the rotted boards and no side railings.
Im too old for that LOL

 

[Spartygirl]

I don't know, I hadn't heard about the Fire tablet.

Abby supposedly had a tablet ( not sure what kind) but no cell phone
Per Anna in youtube interview

 

[sunshineray]

We don't know that information. I think LE may have stated that he said it at the top of the bridge but I don't have anything I can use as a source off the top of my head.

Also, I don't watch GH videos but every time I hear the story, it get's more elaborate. First it was family hearing a sound that could be a gun being cocked and now there's an actual gun seen? I understand that AW talks to him and that WS allows discussion of his videos as if they are a trusted source but honestly, it's all speculation at this point.

This is all so confusing to me now that it was stated 43 seconds of media and "Down the hill" right at the end of that. I'm just trying to jive that with the we cant go any further, the trail ends-talk as well as the is that a gun, he has a gun, click-talk. And we still dont know for sure where "Guys" fits in, do we?

My head hurts

 

[Spartygirl]

At min 43:22 - 43:52 Paul Holes used the word ‘violence’ again: “ if they have a DNA sample there’s a possibility due to violence that when the girls may have been bleeding...” and he goes into more about the DNA being on the girls but how there blood may have saturated their clothes, any DNA that they may have is so small.

Yeah
I am pretty sure it was violent based on other SM and family interviews
JMO