Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[Spartygirl]

This is all so confusing to me now that it was stated 43 seconds of media and "Down the hill" right at the end of that. I'm just trying to jive that with the we cant go any further, the trail ends-talk as well as the is that a gun, he has a gun, click-talk. And we still dont know for sure where "Guys" fits in, do we?

My head hurts

Same here
Only thing I can come up with is there might be 2 recordings ??
Because this is NOT what we have heard before .... before it was these thing mentioned at "end " of recording.
IDK

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Did you happen to get a screen capture of the image of the affidavit they showed on screen? I was streaming it but I'll try to get an image of it when the special reruns if nobody else took a screenshot.

I copied what was visible of the affidavit.


“You are authorized and ordered, in the name of the State of Indiana, with the necessary and proper assistance to enter into [redacted] entire property, located at [ redacted] described as a white two story single family dwelling, including his detached garage, and a white Ford F250 [redacted] for evidence related to the murdered of LG and AW, and diligently search for the following items:”

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This is all so confusing to me now that it was stated 43 seconds of media and "Down the hill" right at the end of that. I'm just trying to jive that with the we cant go any further, the trail ends-talk as well as the is that a gun, he has a gun, click-talk. And we still dont know for sure where "Guys" fits in, do we?

My head hurts

I always thought the girls’ talking about “what do we do…there’s no place to go…he’s got a gun…” etc was said as they were watching BG walk toward them on the bridge. Then once he reaches them he said “Guys, down the hill”.
I don’t know if that’s right, that’s just how it plays in my head.

 

[Yemelyan]

And in the recent Tricia/GH live discussion, GH again mentions being told by family who heard the audio the girls mention seeing a gun and then a click was heard that was explained was a gun being cocked.

So my questioning is, was the end of the audio,"down the hill" actually on the private road down below the high bridge and said to get them down THAT hill to the creek bed?

TL was asked in The Carroll County Comet where "down the hill" was said:

Q. Describe the area where you believe “down the hill” was said?

A. South end of the High Bridge.

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Can anyone post a link to the HLN special?? I’m in the U.K. and can’t find it.

also if someone can sum up what new info there is I’d be grateful!

 

[ShamelessObserver]

I always thought the girls’ talking about “what do we do…there’s no place to go…he’s got a gun…” etc was said as they were watching BG walk toward them on the bridge. Then once he reaches them he said “Guys, down the hill”.
I don’t know if that’s right, that’s just how it plays in my head.

That sounds right to me

 

[mjp1228]

Oh they will want to execute him and put him on trial for the sake of his victim's families. mOO

I don’t know. For the sake of the families, I’d rather spare them having to sit and hear painful details of the murders. On the other hand, if the families request the trial, they should certainly be able to get one. So sad all around.

 

[Ekliptika]

I always thought the girls’ talking about “what do we do…there’s no place to go…he’s got a gun…” etc was said as they were watching BG walk toward them on the bridge. Then once he reaches them he said “Guys, down the hill”.
I don’t know if that’s right, that’s just how it plays in my head.

Me too.
And I link that to what Kim Riley said in the DTH podcast (quote below).
I also Think this is why they are not releasing more or all of that video, because there is no reason for all of us to watch that fear in the girls unfold. The quote from Riley has always had a Big impact on me, and is one of the things that keeps playing in my head when I Think about this case. There must have been something about this guy and how he approached them that triggered a reaction of fear.
Sgt. Kim Riley:
It was scary. Uh, I guess would be one way to put it. Just [pause] seeing, um, you know—seeing, just seeing the feelings that were going through the girls at the time. I’m not going to say which one, in particular. But, just knowing that—I, you know, just knowing what they knew is—is just, is just frightening for, uh, a 13- or 14-year old girl to know.

 

[DeDee]

Can anyone post a link to the HLN special?? I’m in the U.K. and can’t find it.

also if someone can sum up what new info there is I’d be grateful!

Try this link, ShamelessObserver.

Watch HLN News Live Streaming | HLN Live Stream | LivenewsNow

My apologies as it says American in the url so it may not work for overseas.

 

[sunshineray]

TL was asked in The Carroll County Comet where "down the hill" was said:

Q. Describe the area where you believe “down the hill” was said?

A. South end of the High Bridge.

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

Ok, so if there's

43 seconds of recorded video from Libby's phone starting at 2:13?...Is that correct?

Abby's picture was at 2:07 with no BG in sight.

That would mean almost immediately after the 2:07 picture was posted BG started over the bridge and took just 5 minutes and 17 seconds to cross to the other side before the recording of him began. Did I do that math right?

Isn't that just extremely way too fast to cross that old and treacherous path?

 

[Charlot123]

That he is technically savvy? If you had said that in the beginning or as recent as 4 months ago I'd ask you what you would base that on. He is just another deranged killer. (I still refuse to the name or acronym associated with this criminal as I don't believe he has done anything to merit a nickname, handle or call sign.) NOW. Wow! He could very well be tech savvy to one degree or another. Computer programming. Cell phone technology such as one who troubleshoots cell phone problems. Or one with computer forensic tech skills.

I once listened to a lecture by a computer forensics expert on how easy it was to hack into others computers in a coffee shop and he stated this wasn't any high level hocus pocus genius level knowledge. I'm still not straying far from this being random set of murders. But I'm not as set on it as I once was.

I don’t think he is a high-class programmer, but one doesn’t need to be. Everything that we know truly well, we study ourselves. He is interested in technology, I think, so he can learn enough for certain macabre purposes. I am not sure he was catfishing them, although it is not excluded given their age. I think that for some reason, he decided to kill them, and considered their bridge trip suitable for his purposes. If not this, it would have been a different day and circumstances.

But if he is techno-savvy, this potentially puts him into a younger group. (The problem with data safety is that many people in this area are older, and the hackers, younger. So they are always several steps ahead.) And yet how fast he killed them might indicate a more mature person. So, does it put him in early 30-es group?

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Ok, so if there's

43 seconds of recorded video from Libby's phone starting at 2:13?...Is that correct?

Abby's picture was at 2:07 with no BG in sight.

That would mean almost immediately after the 2:07 picture was posted BG started over the bridge and took just 5 minutes and 17 seconds to cross to the other side before the recording of him began. Did I do that math right?

Isn't that just extremely way too fast to cross that old and treacherous path?

There’s a YT video of Greeno crossing MHB as fast as he can and he does it in about 3 minutes. He was quite out of breath though.

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Just on the same subject, is it possible that BG could be in the SC photo taken of Abby, but LE have edited him out?

 

[Ekliptika]

Ok, so if there's

43 seconds of recorded video from Libby's phone starting at 2:13?...Is that correct?

Abby's picture was at 2:07 with no BG in sight.

That would mean almost immediately after the 2:07 picture was posted BG started over the bridge and took just 5 minutes and 17 seconds to cross to the other side before the recording of him began. Did I do that math right?

Isn't that just extremely way too fast to cross that old and treacherous path?

Do we know if the photo of Abby was taken at 2:07 or just posted at 2:07. Could the picture have been taken eg at 2:01 but posted at 2:07? (I do not have snap chat so do not know how it works? Can you upload pictures you have on your phone to snap chat? ).

 

[sandy_80]

I am not sure anything they shared was groundbreaking to change our perceptions of the case ..at least personally speaking
that's why the info were allowed

 

[sandy_80]

I always thought the girls’ talking about “what do we do…there’s no place to go…he’s got a gun…” etc was said as they were watching BG walk toward them on the bridge. Then once he reaches them he said “Guys, down the hill”.
I don’t know if that’s right, that’s just how it plays in my head.

exactly
of course ..the last thing would be ( down the hill ) ..I dont get where the confusion comes
this is where it all stops and lbby puts the phone away
any other convo would be before that..they might discuss a way to escape.. we dont know why they didnt decide to run ..fear of grumpy old ppl living in these houses might be a reason...or maybe they just froze or felt trapped or wasnt sure he was that dangerous

 

[Deerrun]

I wonder if he has endured any physical violence while being in jail. His photo released in January doesn’t depict whatever was seen on his face recently.
Moo

They said the interview with KAK was done in Dec 2021. I don't recall the day but they said it.

 

[Yemelyan]

Ok, so if there's

43 seconds of recorded video from Libby's phone starting at 2:13?...Is that correct?

Abby's picture was at 2:07 with no BG in sight.

That would mean almost immediately after the 2:07 picture was posted BG started over the bridge and took just 5 minutes and 17 seconds to cross to the other side before the recording of him began. Did I do that math right?

Isn't that just extremely way too fast to cross that old and treacherous path?

Well, there are at least two other possibilities...one is that the photo of Abby was taken a few minutes up to many minutes previously but just selected from the camera roll to be posted at 2:07. So the time of posting is accurate but the photo was actually taken a bit earlier. That's one possibility.

The second is that the hosts of Down the Hill were correct about what they call "the U-turn theory," which was that he actually was waiting around near the south end of the bridge for victims and when he saw they crossed all the way he actually passed them once to go on the bridge, then when he went far enough to be sure no one else was crossing, he did a U-turn on the bridge and came back to them..."guys...down the hill." I think their theory is more detailed than that but that's the basis of it.

So that makes me wonder if Barbara MacDonald, host and producer of Down the Hill, may have already known information that makes this more than just a theory or that maybe she was aware that possibly other videos exist previous to the 43 second one that ends in Down the Hill.

Edited to fix grammar

 

[TL4S]

I really think he got on that bridge before the girls were even fully across. When L got to the end, she turned around and started the video. He was stalking them and they sensed it. Maybe they'd had an encounter with him already on the trail. But they realized in less than three-quarters of a minute that he was bearing down, had a gun, and they had nowhere to go. It pi**es me off. And no, there is no reason for the public to hear that, at all. Jmo.

I've seen a lot of mention of there being multiple videos. LE has said that from the very beginning. I suppose it's possible L started another one while BG was with them, but my feeling is that these other videos are the ones LE have referred to as the girls talking about girls stuff on the trails, just being teenagers.

The billboard "last seen" at 2:30 does leave me unsettled, though. If the CS is that spot below the cemetery, that's only like 700-800 feet from the end of the bridge. Given extra time for rough terrain and crossing the creek, would it have taken more than 5-8 minutes to get there if they didn't stop? I didn't time it when JM did her video walking down the hill and to the edge of the creek, but it didn't look that difficult. Could BG have led them there, killed them quickly and fled the area, only to be captured on another camera or seen by a witness at 2:30? Is it totally unrealistic to think he could manage all that in 17 minutes?

 

[Ekliptika]

I think that Barbara MacDonald and team knows a lot more than what they Can state publically, partly because it may come from unconfirmed sources, to protect the integrity of the case and for legal reasons. Like @Yemelyan I have been thinking a lot about the theory from DTH that he came up from the South side and whether that theory is just that or if they have some knowledge to back it up that they have not been sharing for whatever reason.

where I live there are 2 High-profiled unsolved cases where investigative reporters have spend a Long time trying to do their own investigations. This has resulted in both podcasts and TV documentaries. However they have not solved the cases. Both journalist are eluding heavily to the fact that they know more than they Can share for legal reasons