Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[minazoe]

nothin like a round up to close doors and shut mouths.

 

[Lavender Moon]

The goat was a companion to keep the puppies company.

Lol. Thank you.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I’m wondering if Libby was somehow communicating with KAK that fateful day while on the trails.

Could KAK have communicated that info to someone else or multiple other people? He is a predator. He’s in prison for a reason. He may not be directly involved but maybe on the periphery?

5 years and still nothing. I feel so bad for the families.

MOO

KAK whining about “being harassed” made me want to throw something at the TV.
He’s in jail and awaiting trial on multiple child *advertiser censored* charges but he’s upset because he’s “being harassed”.

 

[Barbieshell]

LE has said something to the effect of this was about power to the killer.
Power over whom? The victims alone? Or others associated with the victims in addition? Have to wonder if maybe someone related to the girls may have snubbed someone - maybe it was a sidelong glance in passing that someone gave the killer that he took the wrong way, or maybe he wanted revenge against someone for something. Again, I'm assuming the killer is a male, but it wouldn't shock me if the killer ended up a she.

That's got to be the manliest lady voice ever , not a chance is it a woman saying "guys, down the hill".

 

[Barbieshell]

KAK whining about “being harassed” made me want to throw something at the TV.
He’s in jail and awaiting trial on multiple child *advertiser censored* charges but he’s upset because he’s “being harassed”.

Yup he's a disgusting in every possible way.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

KAK whining about “being harassed” made me want to throw something at the TV.
.

Respectfully snipped by me for focus.

Really? Cause it made me wanna lunge through it & punch him in the face. And put a dagger in his eyes. moo.

ETA: From what I saw he seemed to be very smug. :::::eyeroll:::::

 

[Barbieshell]

5 years today since those two beautiful girls were taken by evil from this world, I just want to see justice served.
One day we'll know what they know, but if they're struggling to tie up loose ends it could be a good idea to release a little more that could provide that final piece.
Somebody knows who BG is, hopefully the law enforcement are very close to ending this nightmare.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Ok... I have read that there was something mentioned during the HLN special last night about an edged weapon or something and heard that someone on the show was saying that DNA from the killer may have been degraded if it mixed with blood from the victims. So my question then is this -
We have heard LE say that searchers didn't immediately know what they had stumbled on when the girls were found. Wouldn't they have known it was a murder scene right away if the kids were covered in blood??

You would think, but IDK what and who to believe anymore because we heard from LE that that BG and the killer are one in the same. But we also heard that BG and the killer were two different people. And we heard PH say that there was a possibility that there was more than 1 person who committed the act of violence against the girls. And we heard that there was only one video but on HLN last night that there was possibly more than 1 video. And we’ve heard from LE & the family of the girls say that the video was a few minutes long, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh and let’s not forget about the two sketches, and what LE said in 2019 about the sketches versus what DC said about them again a few days ago.

JMVHO. m()()

 

[Prime8]

Some thoughts...

You would think, but IDK what and who to believe anymore because we heard from LE that that BG and the killer are one in the same. But we also heard that BG and the killer were two different people.

Only very early on did LE ever speculate that there could be more than one person. They also called BG just a guy they wanted to talk to. So I wouldn't put much weight into early information where they aren't actually sharing anything. They've said since that BG is the killer, they never said there is more than one killer.

And we heard that there was only one video but on HLN last night that there was possibly more than 1 video. And we’ve heard from LE & the family of the girls say that the video was a few minutes long, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think sometimes we have to remember that we don't know how things are presented to the family. For all we know, there is more than one video and it was presented to them all at once, making it seem like one video. Also, people are horrible at estimating times. Watching a 43 second video (which is almost a minute) of your loved one, knowing that they were murdered shortly after could feel like a "few minutes".

As for the two sketches, they need to clear that s**t up and they need to do it soon. While I agree that the prominent features of the two sketches are similar, I'm not sure how this really helps anyone. I've heard so many actual expert opinions that state they have no idea what's going on with the sketches.

 

[photographer4]

Edged Weapon... we were told in the special on HLN last night that may have been used and the perp may therefore be violent. So what are edged weapons? Knives come to mind yes, but... I wonder if it was more specific to someone? So I began to google, what are "edged weapons"?

I learned that edged weapons are melee weapons (hand to hand combat). We were told its about power to the killer by LE... so I began to wonder, which type of edged weapons might we be talking about here?

A google search showed so many unique options! Have a look at a few that popped up! Let me know your thoughts. I was thinking killer could have had one or two on him, and or could have had one stashed at the scene already. Maybe the SOB even left it there for LE to find? It could be part of the signatures that LE told us about.... These are just a few of the things that popped up. I also started to think of things you'd find in video games... games like Mordhau or other melee based games. Maybe it was an edged weapon from a particular time period?

 

[K.jill]

Ok... I have read that there was something mentioned during the HLN special last night about an edged weapon or something and heard that someone on the show was saying that DNA from the killer may have been degraded if it mixed with blood from the victims. So my question then is this -
We have heard LE say that searchers didn't immediately know what they had stumbled on when the girls were found. Wouldn't they have known it was a murder scene right away if the kids were covered in blood??

I’ve been thinking about this today, that searchers did not immediately know what they had stumbled upon and the statement that there was a lot of physical evidence at the scene but not necessarily what you would expect to find.

 

[MistyWaters]

Wasn't it said that the two sketches were not of the same person? And DC has often stated that the killer will end up being a combination of both. And now, in this interview two days ago, he's saying the killer will have commonalities of both sketches.

I don't mean to start a sketch discussion again, but seriously, there has to be logic behind this because it's been repeated for almost 3 years. I have a couple conclusions, but I'm not going to share. It's just so strange...

ISP reflects on investigation on fifth anniversary of Delphi case | wthr.com

"That was a very significant shift for us and we fully anticipated the criticism, but remember, a sketch is not a photograph," said Carter. "I think eventually what we'll be able to do is, put the face of the murderer up in between those two sketches and we'll be able to merge them together and become one."

"But you think that the second sketch is more…" began Longnecker.

"We think there's commonalities between both of them with the individual," said Carter.

It seems LE is rarely to admit they were wrong about anything, they just change the narrative so it appears as if they’re contradicting themselves.

But I think DC might believe the person illustrated in sketch 1 and 2 is the same person and one or if not all witness’s recollect is inaccurate. Why he just doesn’t come right out and say that, I don’t know but he might just be hedging in case he’s wrong. It can easily happen knowing a sketch is not a photograph, it’s just an impression of someone whom somebody saw and the accuracy of memories, especially of strangers, is known to extremely questionable. JMO

 

[paraphrase]

Libby's sister, Kelsi German: ‘Until we get to justice’ in Delphi

Kelsi German: I've found that it can be really easy for people to find true crime as entertainment. So, they listen to these podcasts. And they watch these cases on true crime documentaries, and they watch the hourlong episodes on TV. They're learning about these different cases, but they're not hearing a whole lot about that person's life. And it can be really easy for them, I think, to not see them as real people, and then forget that could be one us – that could have happened to absolutely anyone. So, I think when I share these pictures, my hope is that people will realize that or maybe even remember or start thinking about the fact that Abby and Libby were real people. They were real girls. They were real teenagers. And any one of us could be Abby or Libby. And any one of us could have gone through something like they had to go through. All of those great things about them are gone. We don't get to see them do art. We don't get to make new memories with them. But we can continue to share those memories and, hopefully, bring a little light to people.

 

[photographer4]

I’ve been thinking about this today, that searchers did not immediately know what they had stumbled upon and the statement that there was a lot of physical evidence at the scene but not necessarily what you would expect to find.

So if they didn't know what they'd stumbled on, only that they found the girls, then I want to clarify if we can (and we may not know from LE - just asking). I know someone spotted them from across the creek because he saw a deer there and then noticed the kids. Did other searchers find the kids more up close? Like did people walk right up to them and find them? Perhaps check for a pulse? HOw would they not have known what they'd stumbled on?

Were the kids covered up somehow? Foliage? Snow perhaps (no idea if there was still snow on the ground at the time). Did someone mistake them for sleeping initially? The scene must not have appeared violent to the average searcher if they didn't know what they'd stumbled on initially which led me to all sorts of other gruesome possibilities which I will not outline here out of respect for the girls and their loved ones, but you can use your imagination I'm sure.

 

[PnzrIVausf.G]

If those were his weapons of choice than maybe he dressed the way he did to account for blood splatter.Either he dressed wearing two sets or had another set stashed,clean up by the creek,walk out not covered in blood and avoid transfer of evidence to vehicle.I'd almost wager those clothes are buried/hidden out there.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Kelsi German: I've found that it can be really easy for people to find true crime as entertainment. So, they listen to these podcasts. And they watch these cases on true crime documentaries, and they watch the hourlong episodes on TV. They're learning about these different cases, but they're not hearing a whole lot about that person's life. And it can be really easy for them, I think, to not see them as real people, and then forget that could be one us – that could have happened to absolutely anyone. So, I think when I share these pictures, my hope is that people will realize that or maybe even remember or start thinking about the fact that Abby and Libby were real people. They were real girls. They were real teenagers. And any one of us could be Abby or Libby. And any one of us could have gone through something like they had to go through. All of those great things about them are gone. We don't get to see them do art. We don't get to make new memories with them. But we can continue to share those memories and, hopefully, bring a little light to people.

I hope that KG and her family as well as AW and her family know that for many of us- we have fallen in love with the girls. We DO see them as real people and know that they deserved a life full of Art, love , music and hope. And for some of us- their families have become people that we connect with, love and would be willing to help them in any way that we humanly can. There is a not a day that goes by that the girls, the impact of their loss and the suffering of the family does not get by deep in our hearts and minds.

 

[K.jill]

It would be an odd ‘twist’ if the girls were being catfished by one child predator and killed by another one. Could make investigation confusing as well.
how many felonious creeps have we come across in the last 5 years? DN, GK, JBC, KAK are the ones we can list and I may have left someone out. Also, the property owner is arrested for something unrelated and a judge leaves his job after acting improperly.
Imo this seems like a lot for the area or maybe it is like this everywhere and I am in denial.

 

[photographer4]

If those were his weapons of choice than maybe he dressed the way he did to account for blood splatter.Either he dressed wearing two sets or had another set stashed,clean up by the creek,walk out not covered in blood and avoid transfer of evidence to vehicle.I'd almost wager those clothes are buried/hidden out there.

If he changed clothes and cleaned up in the creek, that MIGHT account for two sketches - people may have seen one guy wearing one outfit, and others may have seen the same dude wearing something different. Either way, nothing about him made anyone weary of him on his out of of the scene if anyone saw him leaving... You'd certainly have to ask why not.

If he buried his clothes out there, I wonder if scent dogs might have found them - if they were ever used at all (not sure they were)

 

[GrandmaKittyLovesMLE]

Is there any way to see a part of the affidavit?

 

[PnzrIVausf.G]

If he changed clothes and cleaned up in the creek, that MIGHT account for two sketches - people may have seen one guy wearing one outfit, and others may have seen the same dude wearing something different. Either way, nothing about him made anyone weary of him on his out of of the scene if anyone saw him leaving... You'd certainly have to ask why not.

If he buried his clothes out there, I wonder if scent dogs might have found them - if they were ever used at all (not sure they were)

I said almost because if he was thinking that far ahead he could have traded bloody clothes out with new ones used the same bag to put the bloody ones in and disposed of them else where.More likely to bury hide them than to take with him but possible either way.