Possibly a couple members of the lonely guys club who have no Valentines to celebrate with? IMOFrom the beginning of this horror story, I have believed Valentine's Day was a trigger as you say.
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Possibly a couple members of the lonely guys club who have no Valentines to celebrate with? IMOFrom the beginning of this horror story, I have believed Valentine's Day was a trigger as you say.
Given the scramble.of images the video was assembled from, MOO an error in height could have been made.Backtracking a bit to mention/question one point regarding the FBI removing height, specifically, from the FBI poster:
Reference:
Some suspect info removed from FBI poster on Delphi killings | wthr.com
"The Delphi Task Force requested the FBI to remove the physical descriptors listed on the flyer. Investigators do not want to discourage or stop the public from submitting a tip because the person does not specifically meet the height, weight, and age description. Investigators would like the public to focus on the photo of the man on the bridge, the voice recording, and second sketch that was released by law enforcement."
I understand what they’re saying, but I thought the height is a variable that is determined/calculated via a scientific method. I remember from the old Forensic Files, etc. they were able to ascertain a subject’s height, for example someone in Walmart surveillance footage, via a mathematical/calculative approach. Iirc, there’s a specific name for this and I can not remember what it is right now. But my point is, isn’t the height something that is definitive, based on evaluating distance, etc.? So why would they want tips on subjects who may not be this height? Obviously there is more room for variance wrt age and weight, but is there actually room for error with the original height estimate? I’m not quite understanding how the height could vary in this instance and appreciate feedback on this.
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Eta: A quick google of height determination as related to suspects in video footage reveals many results; this link appears to mention what I’m thinking about:
How Video Forensic Experts Determine Height in Images and Videos | ncavf.com
“Enhanced photo from a crime scene. NCAVF used advanced 3D rendering software to build a model of the crime scene, compare that model to frames from surveillance video, and determine the height of a suspect.
The science of measuring height in photographs (or from video frames) is called photogrammetry. NCAVF is able to utilize these forensic techniques. This process can only be done after some aspect of successful crime scene reconstruction. The four main methods of measuring height are:
- 3D Modeling of the Perpetrator,
- 3D Modeling of the Crime Scene,
- Reverse Projection Photogrammetry, and
- Single View Metrology (Vanishing Points).”
Eta2: “Photo Gammetry”!! That’s what I was thinking of!!! I thought this was an exact science, maybe it’s not? Furthermore, IF there could be a variance of say a few inches even, wouldn’t they at least be able to provide a range? Now they could get tips of someone who is, say 5’5”. Why would they open themselves up to this if there is no way that could be the man on the bridge?
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Eta3: Even before the advancement of “3D” technology, I think the height of a perp is something that could be ascertained pretty easily even without all the fancy technology.
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Eta4: More from the above link, there is a lot at that link, worth a read, imo:
“Three challenges are often faced while determining the height of a person in any type of surveillance imagery or videos:
- Camera and Lens Calibration,
- Lens Distortion, and
- Techniques used by criminals to manipulate appearance of height.”
I personally don't think KAK or his father did this. This crime was perpetrated by a very smart and technologically savvy man, IMO. I am not of the belief that KAK or his dad are that. This perp is a very intelligent guy who has managed to cover his tracks well enough to stay free and clear of LE's radar for many years despite possibly the largest investigation in Indiana state history.
I also wonder if JBC specifically was there.
I wonder if LE are trying to get a "short list" of folks who were associated with the account.
When we have no idea what BG looks like...
Good point.
It's possible, but I also think it's possible that the interaction with the anthony_shots account will turn out to have been a red herring. It's a good lead, but it's too early to tell whether it will pan out. (Polygraph results are meaningless.)After reading the recently released KAK transcripts and all of this new information being let out recently I feel that TK and KAK will be involved in some significant manner. I’m not sure yet how closely they are involved but it is evident they are or ISP would not have released the Anthony_Shots youtube video asking for tips to the Abby and Libby tip line.
My current thinking is that they helped set BG up with these girls knowingly and feel culpable in some manner (hence the failed polygraph). Whether or not they knew what BG was capable of is a different matter. JMO. Is anyone else under this impression?
Would high adrenaline, hiking just prior to, or just the heightened situation change a person's voice?
Hmm.Interesting.
I’ve got an idea to try an experiment. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a real experiment on WS, and there have been some good ones over the years, one person even took some pills iirc lol.
Idea: Record “Guy, Down the hill” on my cell in different controlled environments/distances...phone in pocket, covered by fabric, different days, etc. I wonder how much my voice might vary, but this does not even take into account changes which may occur when technical methods are applied to remove background noise, make clearer, etc.
I completely agree. I think the big boys do not have the drive, stamina or perseverance to commit a crime like this. It’s too much for them. They are phone internet introverted boys.It's possible, but I also think it's possible that the interaction with the anthony_shots account will turn out to have been a red herring. It's a good lead, but it's too early to tell whether it will pan out. (Polygraph results are meaningless.)
I can't see either of the Klines being BG; they're both too big.
I completely agree. I think the big boys do not have the drive, stamina or perseverance to commit a crime like this. It’s too much for them. They are phone internet introverted boys.
I think BG is not this. He has done something like this in the past. Went out into the field and hurt people. It drives him. I’m not sure the Klines are all that driven. I think they like to be at home committing crimes. BG not so much.
All jmo but I do not yet feel the Klines have the motivation for a crime like this but I do think they are involved in some manner. Enough to run away to Vegas. They know something. They ran from something. But what is yet to be determined. I think it will have to do with a Dropbox or another person accessing the account discussed in the transcripts and I feel it will have more to do with an acquaintance of the older Kline. I still do wonder if KAK was present during the crime and I question whether he knew of what would transpire.It's what I call a "jump", as in jumping from one type or set of crimes to serious ones like rape, murder, kidnapping, etc.
This case has opened up my eyes to a lot of things I'd never thought about, before, regarding criminal type minds. How many people fantasize about doing these types of deeds, say in the U.S., vs. how many actually try to carry out their violent fantasies? I'm still of the opinion this individual fantasized about doing what happened that day, perhaps for a considerable period of time. Then finally put the wheels in motion to carry out his fantasy. I wasn't aware that a lot of killers do just that, until I became active on this site and started following this and other cases.
JMO
I've thought of that. Or maybe a guy who went through a breakup recently who had feelings of anger or betrayal, someone who had a hard time dating or meeting women, maybe someone who was in a relationship that was unsatisfying to him. I've also wondered if it was someone who felt hatred towards women/girls, or viewed them in a particular way.Possibly a couple members of the lonely guys club who have no Valentines to celebrate with? IMO
First, JMHO: "Where was (the phone) during the search?" Poppin' Fresh, the Felony Doughboy, hid it because he knew how incriminating it could be. A while back I told about the murder of a friend--the police overlooked a spent bullet from the murder weapon, underneath the bed my friend was murdered in. Didn't bother to look under the bed, murder committed during a burglary. :-( I don't know how long the police spent searching KAK's house the week after the murders but unless a team of a half-dozen cops spent a full day searching, that phone COULD have been hidden somewhere and missed. Then KAK said, "Oh, I found it!" because he knew the phone was an unresolved issue until found and studied.
But my big point was: "Wow, yes, I forgot that!" about TK's 2018 message: "My boy hasn't been home in two years!" Obviously a lie, and a clumsy one at that, and you're right; it stinks. TK probably wouldn't have bothered to lie if he had not been *covering up something*. Thus: TK was painfully aware that KAK's presence in the area in Feb 2017 was a big ol' red flag, and he lied to try to cover it up. He didn't do a very good job of it, either.
I said elsewhere: I'm still not saying KAK *is* the murderer. But the more I toss it around in my tiny little brain, the more reasons I find to think he very well COULD have been the murderer. As in (JMHO), clearly the most likely choice, given what I know about the case. Adding more people, planning, conspiracies, motives--you can make it more complicated but "KAK felt so inadequate that he wound up murdering two girls he had been catfishing (deliberately or during a rape attempt)" is the simplest explanation I see these days. Your reminder of TK's stupid lie adds weight to that. Again, JMHO.
In the beginning, I could see a possible connection to the murders. Since Feb 2017 or August 2020 (interviews), I'm seeing less and less of a connection between KAK and the murders. We're going on years now and still no arrest. I suppose it might take a while for LE to make a connection and an arrest based on anthony_shots, but the longer it takes the less likely I see a connection. A red herring is looking more likely at this point.It's possible, but I also think it's possible that the interaction with the anthony_shots account will turn out to have been a red herring. It's a good lead, but it's too early to tell whether it will pan out. (Polygraph results are meaningless.)
I can't see either of the Klines being BG; they're both too big.
Would high adrenaline, hiking just prior to, or just the heightened situation change a person's voice?
The crime was almost certainly sexually motivated.I've been thinking of the BG sound quality/effect as "thick with sexual excitement".
I apologize for even having to type it; but that's what I think.