Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[GoBuckeyes]

Nope that’s true but putting him on that bridge which wasn’t a easy walk with his weight and size I don’t see it. He also hasn’t been arrested or charged with this despite the cops knowing he was in contact with them the night before.

Also, he voluntarily offered his DNA.

 

[Charlot123]

Personal Thoughts Nothing More

I personally do not think either KAK or TK murdered Libby & Abby.

I personally think they are evil nasty people and need to be off the streets. It’s just a personal thought based on nothing more than gut instinct, however I do think they know what likely happened and who and why.

I tend to be in agreement with those that think these people are very small fish in a big sea and now they are being used as the bait to reel the bigger fish in.

Irrelevant of what KAK does now. With the charges he has against him and by his own admission he is likely to be in prison for a long time and doesn’t even deny some of his weirdly perverse actions.

As I pondered on the factory re-set of his phone I think of my own actions when I lost, mislaid my work phone. I simply factory reset my phone from my laptop. No I never did find the phone but whoever did, Did not have my or my contacts details​

Now this brings me to something that should be talked about. KAK appears not to be the sharpest tool in the box he builds in Canva on his mobile. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but it does show a certain amount of naivety.

What happens if he is not digitally security aware and at some point in time has asked a mate for help setting up something somewhere that required passwords whether it be to a Wfi Router or an online profile It was saved by the mate. Suddenly there are three people who have access not only to the WiFi Signal but possibly social media accounts as well.

It is very clear to me once again Personal Opinion Only. That the transcripts were available for a short period of time, Once downloaded access to them was removed or vanished. I think they were published briefly and purposely alongside, knowingly and then made public.

I think the whole thing is orchestrated to keep the likes of the Delphi Social Media community talking about the case and then you have to ask why? In my mind that is quite simple. The perpetrator of Libby & Abby’s murder is amongst us THE ONLINE COMMUNITY hiding in plain sight, seeking information.

That is my own personal opinion as for the Klines they appear to be small Fish in a huge sea.

May today be the Day and the Big Fish is finally caught and eventually leads to those/they /them S/He murders of Libby & Abby

iPhones are iPhones. So if there are a few phones on the same network, some things might become self-evident. The more Apple devices you have, the more can be seen. I made such a mistake; now I need to move one phone to another cellular provider.

 

[Kell1]

Yes, even the presence of multiple children. I've seen stories of a child in a group of children get lured away and the other children are just standing there.

its old school thinking theres “safety in numbers” we all were taught that as kids

but to a committed adult criminal its often just another potential victim

Since its usually impulsive and not planned , they take whomever they can get, the triggering factor is the absence of an adult , even then in some cases they may try it , in many cases both children become victims (for Ex Evansdale etc..)

 

[Charlot123]

Not sure he needs (or would want a 'list') They pay in crypto, he sends them a link to what they requested in a disappearing chat. Maybe someone stepped up the stakes with their request.

And is there a way to hack into his phone from this system?

Or, make a double Anthony_shots account? Come on, the photo of the model is all over the i-net. Is it easy? All they need to know is that she is in love with a_s.

 

[stattlich1]

I found the questioning about phone use while in Vegas to be revealing.

 

[Kell1]

Child *advertiser censored* isnoften traded by adult males who create fake accounts under the guise of being a young girl or boy themselves

For ex they often create a profile of lets say a 12 yo girl and ask other “girls” - who are pedophiles doing the same thing , to trade pictures and videos , back and forth

Which is how they try to hide it and how they try to skirt the law, to the outside its just 2 kids exchanging pictures or an address to a drop box .

in reality its 2 or more pedophiles exchanging child *advertiser censored*

its also common to pose as a kid and solicit pictures directly from unsuspecting victims

however in this instance this individual had his actual name on the drop box he has associated with his fake accounts on a device in his own name

 

[Prime8]

I crossed it less than a month ago. I have no idea what repairs they made on the bridge, but they sure the hell weren't to the railroad ties. The walk trail looked like it was fairly new paving. Crossing the bridge the first time (west to east) took me 30-40 minutes and I crawled over a small part of it. The return trip was much easier because I knew what to expect and I made it across in 10 minutes.

I was with someone that crossed the bridge. They aren't a fearful person and crossed it the first time in ~5 minutes. I do not think the repairs have been started, just discussed for a few years now.

 

[Prime8]

I don't understand why LE didn't ask him what his passwords were for these accounts. Were they common? Were they shared? Were they really obvious? Were they exposed in any of the many hacks?

I wonder if he used the same password for his instagram accounts as he did his dropbox that was obviously used to store and share CSAM.

We don't know that they didn't. We only have information from one interview. There is a massive amount of information that we don't know.

 

[Alethea]

We don't know that they didn't. We only have information from one interview. There is a massive amount of information that we don't know.

This is the transcript of an entire interview. I know that there are multiple interviews, I defend people in depositions and interviews like this for a living. My point was I think they should have asked him my questions in this very interview. Right in that line of questioning when they were trying to get him to say that his dad had access to his account, they should have asked him about his passwords. They talked about the passcode to his phone but I think it would have been fruitful since he was sitting there and talking to give him that opening too.

 

[Yemelyan]

I found the questioning about phone use while in Vegas to be revealing.

Me too. For many reasons.

I think there was more to the line of questioning about arranging for sex work services than meets the eye, and it was not just to establish that two related men would arrange for such services at the same time.

The interviewers really wanted to lock in on who did the negotiations for services and how. I wonder if in Vegas, too, there was evidence of the two different syntax and phrasing styles in the messages. After all, KAK can claim that different people from his circle of friends and acquaintances "might" have used his devices in Indiana, it is more difficult for him to lie about who used them in Vegas. LE asked very pointed questions about who else was there.

 

[Prime8]

This is the transcript of an entire interview. I know that there are multiple interviews, I defend people in depositions and interviews like this for a living. My point was I think they should have asked him my questions in this very interview. Right in that line of questioning when they were trying to get him to say that his dad had access to his account, they should have asked him about his passwords. They talked about the passcode to his phone but I think it would have been fruitful since he was sitting there and talking to give him that opening too.

Yes, I'm aware it's from an entire interview, hence the statement of only having information from "one interview". I'm just saying we have no idea what LE talked about before or after this one interview. So while you may have wanted them to ask something specific in that instance, there's not a lot of context of the whole picture.

 

[stattlich1]

Me too. For many reasons.

I think there was more to the line of questioning about arranging for sex work services than meets the eye, and it was not just to establish that two related men would arrange for such services at the same time.

The interviewers really wanted to lock in on who did the negotiations for services and how. I wonder if in Vegas, too, there was evidence of the two different syntax and phrasing styles in the messages. After all, KAK can claim that different people from his circle of friends and acquaintances "might" have used his devices in Indiana, it is more difficult for him to lie about who used them in Vegas. LE asked very pointed questions about who else was there.

I agree. The isolated geographic narrows the playing field.

 

[LeBlack]

I agree. The isolated geographic narrows the playing field.

With KAK in jail, it should be easier to isolate his way of communicating from his friends and his father (who continues to post on fb, btw)

 

[Facinatingtimes]

Yes! In a nutshell, these predators come in very fast and very strong. They generally start off asking for pretty mild pictures, like a stomach. They offer money in exchange. As you can imagine, it escalates and they ask for more detailed photos for more money.

While none of that is beyond our imagination of how things can go down, the part that really shook me was how they surround all that with a couple of things. Either they claim love, I want to marry you, I'm sorry but I'm just so attracted to you OR they operate on almost guilt and threats. For example, why won't you send them. I'm paying you. It's not like you aren't getting something out of it. It's no big deal.

The quickness and intensity and long game of getting what they want is sooooo disturbing! And it doesn't stop at photos. Almost every one of them also set up in person meetups.

Follow up question - how do they “send money” to children? I have a 14 yo and they do not have a way to accept money electronically. I don’t think anyways!

 

[Alethea]

Follow up question - how do they “send money” to children? I have a 14 yo and they do not have a way to accept money electronically. I don’t think anyways!

In different online video games you can send in-game money (purchased with real money). Also you can send gift cards through platforms like Steam or even Amazon. As long as you have someone's email address, you can send electronic gift cards.

 

[chckmate22]

Let's remember what KK was involved in and admitted to: engaging known underage girls to obtain pornographic material for personal use and/or distribution. That is a crime, he is not just some dorky, overweight guy hiding behind a computer trying to be an innocent internet friend here.

At the very least he is guilty of child *advertiser censored* and at worst..........??? It's no coincidence that he spoke to Libby the night before she and Abby were murdered and lied to LE when questioned about the circumstances. If you read the entire transcript, it's very telling IMO.

ETA: Here are actual charges: KK is charged in Miami County with 30 counts, including possession of child *advertiser censored*, child exploitation, child solicitation and synthetic identity deception. He was arrested in August 2020.

I cant unread what I read - the depravity is the worst SO many potential victims... how do we protect our kids?

 

[marisab67]

Police: Man had over 2,500 child *advertiser censored* files
This is an article from 2018 about a Peru man arrest for CSAM accessed thru drop box. It is interesting that one of his download dates was 2/14/2017. I am not accusing this man of being involved with the Delphi murders in anyway. JMHO

I just logged in after years to say that when I looked, his FB profile picture is pretty interesting in light of JBC and the neighbors talking about them removing TK’s dog. Starting to wonder about some of the rumors of dog DNA.

 

[chckmate22]

Sorry can someone tell me what the show is called on Discovery+

 

[JnRyan]

Sorry can someone tell me what the show is called on Discovery+

"Still a Mystery"?

 

[twall]

Thanks for the link. I listened to this interview. MOO this story is false. The friend that was with her at the the park in Fort Wayne where she allegedly met KAK doesn't speak to her any more. She never told anyone all those years age 12-18 about communicating with KAK or the meetup at the park. She did not save the texts, images or devices. All of these points are so very conveniently unprovable. She did not contact LE, The Murder Sheet did.

Question: What did he text or say to you?
Answer: ...things a creeper would say....

She did not affirmatively state "he said this, he texted that." This use of the verb "would" is indicative of a fiction, a fantasy; and it is not a concrete event just a vague aspersion.

MOO too many red flags in this interview.

Where is the Fort Wayne info from? I listened to the interview and K states KAK said he lived in Galveston, IN which is approx. 7 miles from Kokomo where he said he was at. There is a Foster Park in Kokomo. I know there is a Foster Park in Fort Wayne as I'm from the area but I do not think that is the location K is referring to in the interview.

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