IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 13, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #3

[Zno]

Imo the suspect pictured is dressed to conceal his identity thusly was there to cause harm.

Example: Abby at 2pm is dressed for a sunny spring like warmer weather afternoon. Around the same time the suspect is pictured dressed for 20 degree weather. (Layers, zipped up jacket, hat & hoodie)

Upon further inspection, it's my opinion that the suspect is wearing a heavy brown leather glove on his right hand & it appears a knife is held by his thumb pointing the knife up under his jacket.

In one of the suspects photos it looks like the fringe of Abby's
Jacket is just to the left of frame. Perhaps, Libby anticipated danger & quickly took the photo & uploaded it to the net before they were forced at knife point to walk off trail, & up river to their demise.

I lived in that area & other parts of the US. I can attest to the fact that men in the Midwest often wear heavy jackets & a hooded sweatshirt or hoodie / lighter weight quilted jackets underneath. That getup is not as common on the east or west coast or southern US. IMO the suspect is a Midwesterner.

Possibly he was monitoring the girls social media & knew they were heading out on a hike? I don't believe a killer would just decide to bundle up on a Monday afternoon, pick a random hiking trail in hopes of finding a victim. This seems calculated.

Does anyone know about 2 missing teen girls from nearby Kokomo?

 

[NewMama]

Wondering if there is a profile of the suspect already developed or in the works, or if they still need more information before that can be reasonably assessed?

I bet with whatever evidence they've collected they have one started. At least, that's how it goes on the crime shows! I really hope they have a lot of evidence and they're holding their cards close. Maybe we'll get a new statement or press conference from LE tomorrow.

 

[Uki]

I do not think its a tree. Again when you zoom on just that, the top is grayish. Plus the shadow on the tracks right there. And I am in full agreement with you. Also if it was a tree why would LE crop it out, to only show the edge of it?

Ive been loosely following this for a couple of days now. I have not seen anything about this mentioned, but knowing how thorough this community is I am guessing someone probably brought it up back in one of the threads and I missed it. One of the images being released by LEO showing the suspect walking on the track a little zoomed out. In this image there is a dark spot next to him on the right side. It caught my attention the first day they released this. I found a few other pictures that were literally just a tiny bit more zoomed out and I saw that the top part of this shadow is gray and the bottom is black. Also on the ground there appears to be a shadow. I strongly believe this maybe one of the girls walking on the long outside RR tie slightly in front of him. The picture has obviously been cropped so you cant see what that shadow is. That said, if you look at the picture on snap chat with liberty, and you look at her left side, you will see she is wearing a gray jacket and because the angle of the light, its gray at the top and black (do to shadowing at the bottom). Also in that picture she kind of pushes her jacket out and away from her. Maybe to keep he balance IDK. If this is the case and that is one of the girls walking next to him, then with out a shadow of a doubt I would think they know this person. His hands are in his pocket, they would be walking together, with presumably no threat, I am guessing kind of hard to control 2 people with your hands in your pockets and looking down. I also believe this image was off one of the girls cell phones. The first thread on this page stated it was taken from a "video". Video quality on cells are not usually as good as picture quality. Also, I dont see in the snap chat photo, where a trail cam could be. Not to say there isnt one. I also do not think he dresses like a teenager. It appears (but could be shadows) that he may have a goatee. It also appears he has a bandana around his neck. I do believe he has something in his coat. I know others have stated the outline of a gun and I see where they could be getting that, but I think he has stuff around his stomach area. The coat he is wearing appears to be buttoned, but its pulling funny, bulging in spots that make it look like he has stuff in it. I think he knows the area. I believe I read on here that the girls were found in an area that can not be scene from the bridge or other properties.... It would be pretty lucky for someone who doesnt know the area to stumble upon that. I am extremely bothered by the fact that he was able to control and kill 2 girls. For this reason alone, I do not think this was the first time for him. Its pretty brazen to take someone in broad daylight, let alone 2 people. there were reports that there was other people out there... at least another couple and they didnt hear anything? How would the perp know that someone wouldnt stumble by? My second thought on the picture thing above.... If it isnt one of the girls (or someone else) walking next to him in those photos, I think it maybe a stranger to the girls, but someone who was waiting for a potential victim, and maybe the girls saw this stranger and thought he was creepy or something and snapped a quick picture or video just in case, again in the still shot he was looking at the tracks, he might not have scene whoever take it. Has there been any new word on why they searched the farm?

Same for the gray but for "the shadow" I think it is the shadow of the edge of the Bridge because if it was hers then it would have a different direction compared to the one of the suspect and the sunlight in the photo. No?
Putting the "shadow" aside, if it is a very little portion of Abigail's clothe it would make sense for me as I don't see the point of view of the "video" being high... at least not higher than the suspect.

But to me even if he was near them, I wouldn't have the impression they are walking together.

 

[skibaboo]

And that isn't exactly what I said. But no worries. : p

This is what you said

In the Daily Mail article, there is a photo of an outbuilding. No one is saying officially that is where the girls were found, but you can draw your own conclusions as to why the photo of that building was included in the DM article. MOO of course.

Draw our own conclusions why the photo was included.

This photo?

I'm being dense I don't know that conclusion to draw

 

[IllinoisMissing]

I mentioned this earlier today and someone dismissed it as a tree. However, it occurred to me it could have been one of the girl's jackets, especially because the lining of, I think it was Liberty's jacket, appears to be blue. Also, if it was a jacket, the person wearing it appears to be shorter than the man on the bridge.

Here is an uncropped photo.

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[dotr]

Does anyone else find it interesting the way they say "suspect as having participated"...meaning with someone else?

Had me wondering if this was in some way a "spectator sport" ie. someone from a distance, possibly even a great distance, views " the action" recorded by perp, either in real time, or later.
speculation..

 

[sf92]

He looks like a white man with blood on his jeans next to his right hand pocket.

I was thinking the same thing about the jeans. The color seems to have two different depths.
In the pic that appears to show his hair... The color appears to be "flat" and follows the outline of the pants. Though others have said maybe a fanny pack or a hoodie. If it is a hoodie then how is it he has, or appears to have, his hand in his pocket?
But in the pic with his hood up it appears to be bulging. Maybe a fanny pack or other item hidden under his hoodie/jacket.



Also by comparing some of the background I would estimate he is 5'10" - 6'1". Just guessing.



I would say he is somewhat local. Maybe someone who travels throughout the area. Maybe in the area of Kokomo to Lafayette to Logansport to Monticello. All are areas within a short (~30 minute or less) drive.



This story here may or may not be related to the current suspect but there seems to be a lot of similarities in the park/snapchat/age/sex/etc.

 

[Cryptic]

IMO, the poi is not local. Small communities know the oddballs and would recognize him. Looks like an off the grid drifter and squatter to me. Wonder if locals have had break ins. Missing food. Shoes. Or clothing.

I think the non local possibility is going to become increasingly stronger as police go through the local 'possibles'. What is probably delaying the process is how generic to the area the subject is (middle aged white guy wearing farm / work clothes in the rural Midwest).

I think it might be best for create two groups. One with a local possibility focus, and one with a drifter or transient focus. As for the drifter focus, I wonder if there are active rail lines in the area. If so, where would the trains go? Are there homeless encampments or popular hitch hiking truck stops nearby? How easy would if be for a drifter to get to Indianapolis? Is there a Greyhound stop in town?

In pursuit of the local possibility, I would show the photos to local experts on the resident criminally inclined or the just plain creepy. The county jail has several dozen such experts temporarily uhmm...."residing" there. Though absent a personal gain, these guys are usually tight lipped. The deliberate murder of children, however, voids their customary code of not informing on others.

Some of these men will be poorly educated but innately intelligent. When jailed, they have little to do besides observe people 24/7. Believe me, some are very good at it. When outside jail, they can keep the same habit. Who knows that they might have noticed in the past and then remember when shown the photo?

 

[Coldpizza]

New thread coming up for Abigail and Liberty. Please be ready to move over.

 

[nonanks]

I mentioned this earlier today and someone dismissed it as a tree. However, it occurred to me it could have been one of the girl's jackets, especially because the lining of, I think it was Liberty's jacket, appears to be blue. Also, if it was a jacket, the person wearing it appears to be shorter than the man on the bridge.

The blue next to the man is a shadow or darkness in the pic, someone posted original pics not cropped back in the thread and you can clearly see its nothing.

 

[Debbied]

Just seen this photo posted on Fox59 in the comment section. Hope its okay i post this but it does look clearer

 

[jkloc420]

former coaches is another possibility.

 

[dotr]

Which other case are you referring to. I didnt know there was another one similar.

Not sure if this was already answered or not, but some of us see a similarity between this case and one in Iowa..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?280520-IA-Elizabeth-Collins-8-amp-Lyric-Cook-10-Evansdale-13-July-2012-37
[h=2]IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012[/h]

 

[gregjrichards]

Which other case are you referring to. I didnt know there was another one similar.

Two girls called Elizabeth Collins aged 8 and Lyric Cook aged 10 were abducted and murdered in Evansdale in Iowa in a park by a lake on 13th of July 2012. Given that this perp has abducted and killed two girls who look similar in appearance, some of us feel it may be the same perp even though it's 400 odd miles away approximately from this case.

 

[Mainely16]

Honestly, locals are going to have the best chance to help. If this guy took off in the dark after the crime and planned a long trip he would need gas, food and a change of clothes late at night...gas stations and convenience store security cameras especially those close to interstate exchanges should be looked at thoroughly. Also, on the chance he is not local, downtown security cameras should look at out of state plates parked in the vicinity in the day (s) leading up to the crime, and run them through the DMV.

On another note, regarding the gun we suspect he may be carrying. Can someone tell me what Indiana laws are regarding concealed carry? For example, in the state of MA having what looks like a gun in your coat would probably make you suspicious pretty quickly given their strict gun laws, but in rural states where concealed carry is the norm not so much. My guess is that a) he had a gun that he used to control the girls and b) he took it with him because guns are expensive and traceable. How about looking at gun shops for recent purchases? Also recent ammo purchases to someone who may look similar. Are photographs on file in Indiana for people who have conceal carry permits? A lot to keep LE very busy.

We also need to help LE by remaining postive. I'm still not convinced they haven't put out alerts for those working security at mass transit locations and state police in the region. Anyone remember the DC sniper case? It was good old fashioned police work with a cop with his eyes open that solved that case. They had less to go on than LE in Delphi... they were even searching for the wrong vehicle ( the notorious white van) and they had no reliable description of a subject, and they still got their men. I completely believe they will catch this guy.

Good call to remain positive regarding LE!

Talk about "good old fashioned police work -- Holy moly, is the Karina Vetrano case a perfect example. She is one of the young women who was murdered while out running last August; Karina is from Queens, and the other woman, Vanessa Marcotte (still unsolved), is from Massachusetts.

It took one random remembrance of an off duty cop and some deep diving into small summons (one the guy had for urinating in public long before) to get the guy -- and get him they did, last month.

 

[pandorasbox]

I think the non local possibility is going to become increasingly stronger as police go through the local 'possibles'. What is probably delaying the process is how generic to the area the subject is (middle aged white guy wearing farm / work clothes in the rural Midwest).

I think it might be best for create two groups. One with a local possibility focus, and one with a drifter or transient focus. As for the drifter focus, I wonder if there are active rail lines in the area. If so, where would the trains go? Are there homeless encampments or popular hitch hiking truck stops nearby? How easy would if be for a drifter to get to Indianapolis? Is there a Greyhound stop in town?

As far as passenger lines, the Cardinal/Hoosier State Amtrak stops in downtown Lafayette (~20 miles).

Freight -- There is an active line not far at all from the site. I believe it is Norfolk-Southern.

I don't think there is any bus line.

 

[vliam]

Imo the suspect pictured is dressed to conceal his identity thusly was there to cause harm.

Example: Abby at 2pm is dressed for a sunny spring like warmer weather afternoon. Around the same time the suspect is pictured dressed for 20 degree weather. (Layers, zipped up jacket, hat & hoodie)

I just took a drive around the lake. It's around 60 and most older people are still layered up because it's February and that's what you do.

 

[sf92]

http://www.wthr.com/article/police-set-up-new-number-for-delphi-murder-tips

Hadn't seen this one before? In it, a guy who was questioned by police talks about his experience...

I have seen/heard people say almost the same thing about their phone and if they would offer a swab.
I also heard one of the officers tell the local news that they have several people walk in to their post and tell them a name of who they think the suspect in pic is.
Not sure when this was, i.e. before or after they served the warrant.

 

[tokyorose]

I just took a drive around the lake. It's around 60 and most older people are still layered up because it's February and that's what you do.

Respectfully the nice people you saw at the lake aren't murderers being hunted by the FBI this guy is. In addition to dressing in layers, he seems to be carrying a lot of things with him in that coat based on the way it hangs. I think this crime was premeditated.

 

[Coldpizza]

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