IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #26

[KenzieK]

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In the most simple terms:

Probation and parole are both alternatives to incarceration. However, probationoccurs prior to and often instead of jail or prison time, while parole is an early release from prison. In both probation and parole, the party is supervised and expected to follow certain rules and guidelines.

[h=3]Difference Between Probation and Parole[/h]criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal.../parole_probation/probation_parole_pardon.htm

 

[trixster1958]

Do you see the hat on the BG guy with the bent rim like I posted? I've looked at it so much and it's so obvious to me, I guess my mind could play tricks on me because not everyone sees it! I think it's more of a country thing though.

I do see how it looks bent in the front, how it narrows down over his forehead. At first I thought it looked like a hat with flaps on the sides but JMO I think it's a ball cap and could be the bent rim. I also thought the white thing in front looked like a P symbol for Purdue, but when showing the picture to my daughter who goes to Purdue, she said definitely not, it's too high up. But she doesn't see the cap like I do, says it's his hair. I don't know, everyone sees something different. Too bad the pic can't be just a little bit clearer, would probably make a world of difference!

 

[greeneyz]

With the reward at $250K, either the BG was just passing through and is long gone or he was somewhat local and someone knows something and is still refusing to talk in order to protect them (son, nephew, or other close family). The latter seems much more likely because nearly everyone agrees the murderer had to have known the area fairly well. It's very possible that RL was taken in on the probation violation to pressure him for info. It's too much of a coincidence that LE were back at the scene on Friday and RL is brought in at 12am Saturday. They have bigger fish to fry than to worry about an elderly drunk violating his probation (for DUI charges), especially under the circumstances. I fail to believe this is a coincidence.

The timing of RL'S arrest is odd to me. Unless while searching Saturday they found something that went against the rules of his probation?

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[Dogface]

I'm so sorry but I've been out of town, does anyone know whereabouts the posts start about the arrest?


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[sleuther0192837465]

I'm not finding anything new on Twitter this morning. I also checked the DA's FB page because in the past he has put his statements about SM rumors on his own page and there's nothing new there. He usually makes a statement instructing the public not to harass anyone. Maybe he will do that later today.

Thank you. I keep coming here to check on this as I view Websleuths as the only credible place to get up-to-date information. MSM embellishes things too often & their reporting can be misleading MOO

 

[Dee10]

With the reward at $250K, either the BG was just passing through and is long gone or he was somewhat local and someone knows something and is still refusing to talk in order to protect them (son, nephew, or other close family). The latter seems much more likely because nearly everyone agrees the murderer had to have known the area fairly well. It's very possible that RL was taken in on the probation violation to pressure him for info. It's too much of a coincidence that LE were back at the scene on Friday and RL is brought in at 12am Saturday. They have bigger fish to fry than to worry about an elderly drunk violating his probation (for DUI charges), especially under the circumstances. I fail to believe this is a coincidence.

Although your theory seems very plausible, it alternately could be a matter of timing in that the officers were already out there and discovered a probation violation that a number of officers saw and couldn't just ignore it, especially IF it was alcohol related given previous DUIs. If they chose to ignore it & he later drove & had an accident, there would be hell to pay.

 

[cindersoot]

Last night reading thru some of the threads, I felt saddened that an innocent man is being sleuthed. I come back here this morning and it's continuing. :facepalm:

 

[Dockins]

In the most simple terms:

Probation and parole are both alternatives to incarceration. However, probationoccurs prior to and often instead of jail or prison time, while parole is an early release from prison. In both probation and parole, the party is supervised and expected to follow certain rules and guidelines.

[h=3]Difference Between Probation and Parole[/h]criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal.../parole_probation/probation_parole_pardon.htm

One may actually be on unsupervised probation, with the only 'rule' is not getting into trouble again while on probation. I learned this when my oldest son decided to try the stick instead of the feather, IYKWIM. EVery probation can Be different. Sorry, my ipad doesn't work like it used to, keeps reloading

 

[WideOpen]

My brain won't let me give up on this. Liberty was brave enough to take that video in the hopes the perp(s) would be caught. She will be the prosecutor, not the victim. I want to make sure of it.

I appreciate the way you worded this post. The thanks button wasn't enough!

 

[Nanjack00]

Not all probation cases limit access to firearms. But when they involve felonies it is an automatic NO! even if there is a condition that it be reduced to a misdemeanor after the fact. I know of one person who was still allowed their 2A rights while under court supervision for theft. But if you are under it for a felony or domestic violence case that would automatically declare you a prohibited possessor under law. Same with a drug or alcohol abuser. Which with a DUI/OWI case would be that, even if it was reduced to a misdemeanor before conviction.

The fact that RL waived his 4th Amendment right is telling that he was under strict court supervision (alcohol, guns, certain weapons, etc). And an interesting note: At least in Indiana a crossbow is considered a firearm in this instance because it is operated by pulling a trigger.

I'm like you, I just can't help shake that feeling. I brought this up earlier in the thread but was shot down and schooled So I shall just crawl back in my hole and keep reading instead of verbalizing my own opinions or theories.

 

[Hoosier952]

That's interesting. I wonder why after all this time they would continue to search? Surely any remaining evidence would have been compromised by the elements. Perhaps they are looking for something specific that they know is out there, somewhere?

I'm wondering if they are still looking for a murder weapon or that backpack/duffel bag that may or may not exist.

Very Nice!

Anyone know the location of the barn on RL's property that he had previously reported a trespasser? TIA!

Not 100% sure but here is a picture of the buildings around RL's home. The green circle is where the recent search happened (it is not RL's property), I believe the blue circle is a garage, and the two red circles to be a barn and a shed. No idea which one the trespasser was in, but I'd only consider the bigger red circled building to be a barn. Hopefully someone local can chime in to confirm this.

 

[CommanderToad]

I'm so sorry but I've been out of town, does anyone know whereabouts the posts start about the arrest?


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I think it is around page 3 IIRC.

 

[GGE]

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You can post the court links and discuss the charges.

You CANNOT sleuth this individual relative to Abby's and Libby's murders, as no indication of his involvement has been released. On the contrary, he was cleared. More than likely, in the course of investigating him, these unrelated violations came to light. So, as Sillybiily said, cool your jets.

If it gets out of hand, substantial Time Outs WILL be issued on the spot. You've now been warned.

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ETA: For the umpteenth time, leave the FB gossip ON FB!

TIA for your cooperation.

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highlighting by me.

please use the alert button to report posts that do not follow these guidelines.

also, I just was reading the unabridged rules and think it's good for everyone to refresh once a year or so. I haven't for a couple of years, personally. JMO.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

 

[stg]

He was arrested.
Imo something more is going on here.
Time will tell.

He was arrested, and LE was searching on/near his property.

There is good reason people have interest in this, to those who just can't possibly believe it means anything. Maybe it doesn't. Who knows?

I agree, time will tell. But after a month of nothing, this is an interesting development to me, to say the least.

 

[Deltucky]

I'm so sorry but I've been out of town, does anyone know whereabouts the posts start about the arrest?


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Around maybe 8pm eastern last night. maybe 7pm???

 

[Mainemom76]

Although your theory seems very plausible, it alternately could be a matter of timing in that the officers were already out there and discovered a probation violation that a number of officers saw and couldn't just ignore it, especially IF it was alcohol related given previous DUIs. If they chose to ignore it & he later drove & had an accident, there would be hell to pay.

Why midnight though? Makes No sense IMO

 

[GGE]

OK, I fixed mine.

Not sure how it really has any bearing on the fact that the property owner was arrested for something other than the murdered girls, but I fixed it.

Thanks. People on probation get probation INSTEAD of jail time. People on parole have just been RELEASED from PRISON.

Using the wrong term is akin to slander, IMO, since it implies that this man has done prison time which does not appear to be the case after perusing the Indiana Court website shared here last night. Instead we see a man who served our country in the military in years gone by, and perhaps doesn't handle his drink how he "ought to". This is a far cry from murder and I don't want to contribute to people getting the wrong idea about him because they might read the word "parole" instead of "probation" and they might know the difference between the words and infer from the wrong word being used that this man has done prison time when as far as we know he hasn't even even been held in jail before now (his same public record shows that he was held on house arrest last time he was charged with DWi rather than being held in jail because it would cause undue hardship on him to be in jail - this is all public record and within the rules we were given by Bessie).

That's just not fair IMO.

Edit - this is the currently relevant case. you can click the little arrows to expand details. if one is quite observant and so desires they can also note the previous related case numbers and search them out and expand those details as well. the're all basically the same charge across the years IMO and IIRC. Scroll to the very bottom for the currently relevant information.

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...qQTNNVEF5TnpFeU1UTXdPakUxTWprd05EVXhPREE9In19

 

[cindersoot]

He was arrested.
Imo something more is going on here.
Time will tell.

:facepalm: With over 3000 tips coming in and LE checking everyone, I'm pretty sure he wasn't the only one.

 

[Deltucky]

I think it is around page 3 IIRC.

Page number referrals aren't very helpful on WS, because page length is adjustable from 100 posts per page down to about 10 I think. I use 50 myself. No snark intended.

 

[ezrah]

Thanks. People on probation get probation INSTEAD of jail time. People on parole have just been RELEASED from PRISON.

Using the wrong term is akin to slander, IMO, since it implies that this man has done prison time which does not appear to be the case after perusing the Indiana Court website shared here last night. Instead we see a man who served our country in the military in years gone by, and perhaps doesn't handle his drink how he "ought to". This is a far cry from murder and I don't want to contribute to people getting the wrong idea about him because they might read the word "parole" instead of "probation" and they might know the difference between the words and infer from the wrong word being used that this man has done prison time when as far as we know he hasn't even even been held in jail before now (his same public record shows that he was held on house arrest last time he was charged with DWi rather than being held in jail because it would cause undue hardship on him to be in jail - this is all public record and within the rules we were given by Bessie).

That's just not fair IMO.

Yes.