IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #27

[azshadowwalker]

There are several phone games these days that use GPS. Ingress and Pokemon Go are just two. I have played Ingress for almost 3 years, so I have experience with phone GPS, including in remote areas. The major problem you will get is what is known as "drift", where your GPS moves, but your phone doesn't. There are ways to make phone GPS more accurate, though.

Also, GPS and data aren't necessarily connected. Ingress requires both GPS and data connectivity. In remote locations, you will lose your data connection, but GPS continues to work fine. This would be the same if you were using GPS for other exploration activities.

You can also get antennae that help you get data connectivity. Avid Ingress players often invest in expensive equipment, like a BGAN, to keep a data connection in very remote areas. I am sure this is common with those who take part in other such exploration activities.

Finally, if you need a map, like Google Maps, you can download the map for a specific area. This way, if the phone loses data connectivity, the map is still available.

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[everybodhi]

I live deep in the mountains and have no cell reception but my iPhone shows a blue dot of me in my house, down to the location of the room I'm in.
Here's an article that explains how cell phone GPS works.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.macw...martphones/how-iphone-location-works.amp.html

 

[azshadowwalker]

Hi everyone. Can someone clarify who found the girl's bodies. I remember reading in an earlier thread that the bodies were found by a woman but in the interview with the PO that was made the day after the bodies were discovered (i.e. The one on the first page of this thread) the PO clearly states that a "he" found the bodies

We don't know. We have only been told that they were found by searchers.

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[Paulette]

So what I am wondering...Is there a way of tracking a GPS signal from a hand held??? ( Bridge Guy ) If he was geocaching and probably had a hand held... Which was what I was getting to before.

I will ask my son I guess when he returns from CNIC San Diego...he would know.

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If he's handy with a phone, why didn't he notice Liberty had hers on? He probably didn't even know the video was saved to the cloud. Why continue with his dastardly deed knowing it's being recorded.

 

[jon70]

BGs left side outer leg appears to hold a black colored item with a shiny antennae. :cow:

file:///C:/Users/Jon/Desktop/sigpic55667_4%20(4).gif

 

[GangaMa]

What we see here are the clothes of a geocacher which could be worn by anyone.

Link please.

 

[Zac90]

I learned a valuable lesson with the Mickey Shunick case. It's nearly impossible to distinguish details in these photos. Shadows, movements and speed distort the images. Particularly as this is a still from a video as in the Shunick case. I studied that truck day and night and was wrong every time.

I do think BG is wearing a fanny pack. Possibly suede. I found one on Etsy but I don't know how to upload iPad photos.

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[CaliSun]

I personally feel like they went to the trails and bridge to take fun Instagram and social media pics. Such as the sweet picture of Abigail on the bridge. MOO. I know in the Blue Ridge, people have lost their lives trying to take the perfect Insta pic...falling off a cliff or railway. Not that this happened to these two, but certain social media platforms are all about capturing and posting the perfect picture.

Absolutely agree. Many a time we have driven our teens to the "perfect" spot and snapped a picture. Often rural like a waterfall or cool rock formation.

 

[Zac90]

A news interview with property owner, Ron Logan, states that his neighbor made the discovery along with another searcher. It wasn't stated if that neighbor was a man or woman.

 

[Mamamerced]

Holy heck I finally found the interview I wanted. At around 5:50 they talk about multiple suspects. LE says they are not ruling anything out, but they are leaning towards ONE suspect.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ISwatrrpY

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I get a blank screen when I try your link.
Do you think LE was implying there was One perpetrator or One particular suspect?

 

[Sillybilly]

Take a break and get some rest everyone.

Thread is closed for the night and will re-open early tomorrow morning.

 

[Coldpizza]

Good morning. Thread is open for posting.

 

[Deleted member 278]

&#8220;To say we&#8217;ve identified a single individual would not be accurate, but we have identified several people of interest,&#8221; said Carter, who admitted investigators need to seal off several blind alleys before narrowing their focus in the search for the man in the images and audio Libby captured on her cell phone minutes before she was led to her death.
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/03/13/poli...t-one-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

 

[mandy.maree]

“To say we’ve identified a single individual would not be accurate, but we have identified several people of interest,” said Carter, who admitted investigators need to seal off several blind alleys before narrowing their focus in the search for the man in the images and audio Libby captured on her cell phone minutes before she was led to her death.
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/03/13/poli...t-one-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

From that article

Saturday night a local man known to investigators was arrested on a probation violation, and there have been several arrests of suspects on drug-related charges during the investigation.

“There’s been multiple arrests based on this investigation of people who have had nothing to do with it,” said Carter, “and I’m sure that will continue.”

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[Eileen730]

We don't know. We have only been told that they were found by searchers.

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I believe they were found by neighbor of PO.

 

[mandy.maree]

I believe they were found by neighbor of PO.

The gruesome discovery was made on Ron Logan’s 40-acre lot by a neighbor who volunteered to help with the search.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/fox59...-of-missing-teens-bodies-on-his-property/amp/

Only details I have come across about it

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[Deleted member 278]

&#8220;To say we&#8217;ve identified a single individual would not be accurate, but we have identified several people of interest,&#8221; said Carter, who admitted investigators need to seal off several blind alleys before narrowing their focus in the search for the man in the images and audio Libby captured on her cell phone minutes before she was led to her death.
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/03/13/poli...t-one-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

 

[GGE]

There are several phone games these days that use GPS. Ingress and Pokemon Go are just two. I have played Ingress for almost 3 years, so I have experience with phone GPS, including in remote areas. The major problem you will get is what is known as "drift", where your GPS moves, but your phone doesn't. There are ways to make phone GPS more accurate, though.

Also, GPS and data aren't necessarily connected. Ingress requires both GPS and data connectivity. In remote locations, you will lose your data connection, but GPS continues to work fine. This would be the same if you were using GPS for other exploration activities.

You can also get antennae that help you get data connectivity. Avid Ingress players often invest in expensive equipment, like a BGAN, to keep a data connection in very remote areas. I am sure this is common with those who take part in other such exploration activities.

Finally, if you need a map, like Google Maps, you can download the map for a specific area. This way, if the phone loses data connectivity, the map is still available.

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Thank you very much for this, fellow Ingress and Pokemon GO player. I was going batty not being able to reply to debunk all of this GPS stuff.

A very good friend of mine has been geocaching for years. He travels around the country and has thousands of finds. He has never gone out of his way to order fancy GC themed and logo'd stuff online, as it is not necessary and is sort of opposite of the entire point of this hobby, which is keeping things simple, enjoying nature, etc... JMO.

And, FWIW, you don't need a GPS at all to find a cache that you already found in the past and posted about already finding on the official website.. you already know where it is. IMO

I, too, am uncertain whether we are even allowed to say this much, or whether mods would like to allow Nin's post to stand alone without discussion, so I will leave it at that.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Sounds to me just from reading that article that they have an idea who it could be (but they're waiting for just the right tip). If they are waiting for "just the right tip" could it be they are seeking a tip wherein someone has an article of clothing he's shown wearing, a hat, a pouch? Just pondering.....

 

[Hatfield]

&#8220;To say we&#8217;ve identified a single individual would not be accurate, but we have identified several people of interest,&#8221; said Carter, who admitted investigators need to seal off several blind alleys before narrowing their focus in the search for the man in the images and audio Libby captured on her cell phone minutes before she was led to her death.
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/03/13/poli...t-one-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

"need to seal off several blind alleys "

Not sure what blind alleys they mean.