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Especially someone who knows no one at all in the case
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Could it be a revenge killing?
Someone was watching either girls' house. Killer wanted to make a point/statement to someone in one of the families (who exactly? I don't know.) so he planned a violent attack.
It happened that he was able to follow a car that day and it sadly ended up being Abigail and Liberty.
Just thinking out loud. MOO
OT I am jealous of those getting snow, though I hope people stay safe. I am a "summer-hater" out west, dreading eight months of heat ahead. One of those weirdos whose chronic health/pain worsens in hot weather instead of the opposite. Ugh...
I feel like there is a lot of speculation here on things that we simply don't know. I've listened to that enhanced clip above, and I personally did not hear the "go" part of the phrase. Not saying it's not there. Just saying I did not hear it. To me, the inflection of his voice did not seem demanding at all. Almost sounded like he was answering a question. We also do not know when he made the statement either. We don't even know who made the statement. If he wasn't talking to the victims, then it for sure means that he was talking to an accomplice.
So we are just going to ignore that LE said they got the image/audio from her phone and just imagine that it was her ipad, laptop, console computer.
I have seen the articles links multiple times stating that LE got it from her phone. JmO
It originally came from her phone so it is not a false statement...and then they continued searching for phone in Creek maybe...
Leaving BG think they have it...
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I think whatever happened on that bridge happened quickly and within minutes they were out of view from the bridge. I would imagine between the creek flowing, leaves rustling in the breeze, and people being in their own little worlds, most people wouldn't hear or notice someone walking through the woods, even if they were fairly close by. I don't think we have a confirmed time on anyone being there except for the lone woman who was confirmed to be at the bridge at 3:49 pm. That would have been about 90 minutes after the Snapchat picture of Abby. She saw 3 other people there at the time she was there, but I don't know if they came prior to lone woman or after lone woman. That's a heck of a lot of time to get away from the bridge. My guess is you could be out of viewing distance in about 2-3 minutes at a brisk walking pace and to the area they were found in 5-10 depending on which route they took.
I don't think it was meant to be a quick crime. I'm not sure if it was Liberty's family coming to pick them up and yelling when they weren't there or searchers in the area that forced him to leave the scene. I think he was rushed and that's why they have the recording. I think he knew the cell phone was there and I think he didn't have time to find it and get out of dodge. But I also don't think he set out that day with the intention of two victims. I'm not even sure murder was his intention.
It appears in that picture that there is a mound of dirt there and maybe the leaves have just blown/settled off of it. It looks like the leaves have settled all around the high parts.
Looks like a well used trail to me. Specifically, that second bend towards the bottom where it curves back left looks a bit dug out, like people have slid a bit and pushed the dirt up. From my experience hiking around in the woods, it takes a lot of use to really carve out a trail like that. If it was just 3 people one time, I'd expect to see leaves smashed/disturbed and maybe some footprints or places where one has slid in the soft ground, but if you pushed the leaves back over, you wouldn't be able to tell it had been used. All just MOO.
Assuming BG had a vehicle nearby, do you think he planned to get them to the vehicle, under restraint, so he could take them to another, more private location? If so, perhaps one of the girls resisted en route to the vehicle and those plans suddenly had to be abandoned. BG may have quickly killed one girl and then caught and killed the second. Then he got out of there ASAP.
Iv'e been thinking revenge for about two weeks now. I could be wrong. Every one of us could be wrong.
If a person seems to be glued to this investigation who has never shown interest in anything like this before, that is a red flag.
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IMO I think there was something on that audio prior to the "down the hill" statement, such as a scream, crying, something that LE didn't want us to hear. The audio seems very carefully snipped.
My phone sat in a toilet for two hours. I had no realized it fell in. I put a hair dryer aimed at it for several hours and it worked just fine.
LE has been very quick to dispell rumors, tell the public not to harass those who had search warrants served against them, and for the public to keep the speculation down. That's why it's such deafening silence that nothing is being said about RL at all. They KNOW that' his arrest was going to cause HUGE speculation, and yet.....nothing. Hmmmm
Been lurking for a while, absorbing info.
Does anyone know if the original Snapchat images are archived somewhere?
There are many different versions (file format, size etc) from news articles, each having different compression artifacts that can be mis-interpereted.
I was hoping to analyze the closest thing to the original Snapchat images as possible. I have seen two versions of Liberty on the bridge photo that seem to be screenshotted by two different Snapchat users.
Thanks.
I'm wondering if he might have been cursing, f'ing down the hill...if he said it quickly, the "g" may have not been able to edit out without compromising the word "down". It would also explain the interview from a couple days ago where LE said something to the effect that he sounds exasperated like he had to tell them again to go down he hill.
That's my thought as well. It sounded to me like a fraction of the ng sound. In fact that is what LE said to a reporter - that he sounds exasperated like he had to tell them again to go down he hill. Almost an exact quote and it struck me because in order to say that he has to know exactly what the perp said but he coyly made it sound like he was speculating :wink:I'm wondering if he might have been cursing, f'ing down the hill...if he said it quickly, the "g" may have not been able to edit out without compromising the word "down". It would also explain the interview from a couple days ago where LE said something to the effect that he sounds exasperated like he had to tell them again to go down he hill.
Thank you, i thought that the word "twist" was in reference to the case and not a specific thing.
Forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else has said, this thread moves so quickly.
All MOO and speculation of course.
IF we are to believe the FB post from a journalist saying that he/she saw clothes in the creek, it means that this must be the case. If their clothes were in the creek it's likely that the phone was in a pocket (in order for it to have recorded 'the stuff of nightmares') and was probably removed along with clothing. So it probably went into the creek as well. Being submerged usually destroys a phone, so I'm guess that IF is is the case, the video was recovered from the cloud it was synced with another device.
IMO.