IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #40

[Mainemom76]

Capable of what precisely?

That photo with the horse looks absolutely nothing like RL. Amazing how certain photos can be perceived. JMO

 

[sumzero]

So, what happens if, in the next few weeks, LE comes out and clears RL of any involvement? Do the mods go back and delete all the posts containing baseless speculation about him? I'm genuinely curious. It seems to me if this kind of speculation is allowed (i.e., double murder, or at least aiding and abetting a murderer), even though he has not been named a POI, then something should be done to make amends, if and when he is cleared. Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

 

[Jax49]

Ok so maybe they changed the official description but originally it was stated BG possibly had brown hair
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ording-of-three-words/?utm_term=.02fa61193467

Excellent find but I don't see a direct quote from LE just a statement. We don't know who wrote that description.

 

[ninij9]

I have to say, today was probably the most Frank discussion I have had here on this thread since it's happened. I wanted to say ty to all the great posters for their ideas and opinions. I know it's got me to thinking.

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[Daae]

That photo with the horse looks absolutely nothing like RL. Amazing how certain photos can be perceived. JMO

That's not RL , it's showing the use of a lasso. Sorry if it was misleading. RL is in the video interview holding what appears to be a stiff rope.

 

[venutian21]

Anger>confrontation>accident>murder>cover up. IMO

IMO possible previous confrontation that day and before.

New here, have read every thread and followed this since day 1; but I agree. IMO I have always thought there was a previous meeting/confrontation and that's why Libby started recording, IMO.

 

[liltexans]

That photo with the horse looks absolutely nothing like RL. Amazing how certain photos can be perceived. JMO

I'm pretty sure that's not a photo of RL, but I'm not the OP. I think that's just a picture of a guy with a lasso and a horse.

 

[Bemused]

AB confused two different days during her broadcast. She's an idiot. IMO

It's not Banfield 's words I'm referring to. I know she screwed up but watch and listen to what he said. I thought it was Inside Edition but it may have aired on HLN instead.

 

[expatCanada]

We "heard" about it late at night/midnight. According to Carroll County appraisal district... RL only owns the approx. 40 acres from that road back to the creek. Across the street (where the silo/grain bin is located) is owned by someone else.
https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=2&PageID=2976

I thought RL was arrested at midnight. Anybody remember? So we know that is not RL's property, but we don't know who it belongs to...is that correct?

 

[Jax49]

I thought RL was arrested at midnight. Anybody remember? So we know that is not RL's property, but we don't know who it belongs to...is that correct?

IIRC, all booking times at that facility show as midnight so we don't know when the actual arrest occurred.

 

[Jabarn]

So, what happens if, in the next few weeks, LE comes out and clears RL of any involvement? Do the mods go back and delete all the posts containing baseless speculation about him? I'm genuinely curious. It seems to me if this kind of speculation is allowed (i.e., double murder, or at least aiding and abetting a murderer), even though he has not been named a POI, then something should be done to make amends, if and when he is cleared. Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

Let's back track...

Indiana State Police Sgt. Tony Slocum told 24-Hour News 8 a search of Logan’s property began around noon Friday. Authorities have not said what evidence led to a search warrant being granted.
http://wishtv.com/2017/03/17/search-underway-of-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found/

Officers told CBS4 that they are trying to find any evidence that could link or clear Logan from the case. Police said Logan is not considered a suspect at this time.
http://www.wlky.com/article/delphi-...earch-warrant-at-property-owners-home/9147011

Police have had to debunk multiple rumors regarding arrests in the case, including one recurring rumor that connects Logan to the girls' murders. State police have not made any arrests in connection with the the case.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...erty-where-delphi-teens-abby-libby-found-dead

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley says authorities previously searched a rugged, wooded area of Logan's property where the bodies were found.
http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Po...Delphi-teens-bodies-were-found-416461703.html

WTHR reports Ron Logan was arrested last week in Delphi, IN on an unrelated probation violation. Police told WTHR that they are trying to determine whether or not Logan is a suspect in the teens' murders.
http://www.14news.com/story/3493924...-man-where-bodies-of-indiana-teens-were-found

Police have not revealed what led them to search his home but said in a statement: "We are basically here to eliminate him or put him as a higher suspect in our case."

Logan told Inside Edition he is devastated by the discovery of the bodies on his property.

“That was like being hit with a bolt of lightning. On my property! You just can't put words to it,” he said.

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/in...y-where-ind-teens-bodies-were-found/423802139



Leazenby hopes people won't jump to conclusions when they serve search warrants like this one. Police are just doing their jobs to leave no rock unturned in this investigation.

http://www.wlfi.com/story/34939286/sheriff-search-warrant-served-is-just-standard-procedure

Investigators spent several hours searching the home and property it sits on, but have not released any details about the search. They say it could take more than three weeks to process any evidence taken during their search. Logan is not being released from jail at this time.

“People shouldn’t speculate on why someone was searched or not searched," said Carroll County Prosecutor Robert Ives. "No charges have been filed relating to the deaths of the two girls and no charges are imminent.”

Ives can’t comment specifically on the search warrant that was served at Logan’s property on Friday, but he said the case is large and has included several search warrants and dozens of subpoenas so far.

“I’m not aware of an investigation of this size ever occurring in a county of our size,” said Ives. “It’s probably happened in big cities, but not here.” http://www.wibc.com/news/local-news...-and-still-no-suspects-murders-libby-and-abby


Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told ABC News today the search warrant is “part of the continuing investigative process” and he said he cannot go into any specifics about what authorities are looking for. This is not the first search warrant served in this case.
http://marygreeley.com/?p=50220

“Just because a search warrant is issued” on someone’s property, Leazenby said, does not mean an arrest follows.

State police said today authorities are still combing through the thousands of tips they’ve received in the double murder case.http://www.mycentraloregon.com/2017...roperty-where-slain-indiana-teens-were-found/

All these quotes, and doing my own opinion inferencing, tips must have come in that made the search necessary. IMO, RL granted all the interviews, including the one with Inside Edition, and that may have caused people across the nation (and world) to connect the dots with the clothes BG was wearing, so tips poured in. Agree with many of you, RL had nothing to do it with it. I am also doubtful he had any role at all and no insider information either.

I am sure his initials will continue to show up here, though. IMO opinion only.

 

[tokyorose]

Go watch the Inside Edition piece. I believe that is where he talked about what he was doing both days. Maybe it was Banfield on HLN. IMO, a little too detailed but I'm a suspicious by nature type.

So I watched the inside edition video and RL says that he was asked permission to search his property when he returned home at 6:30 pm, on 2/13, but he never said he gave permission. There is a difference. Does anyone recall an article where it says he was asked and gave permission? Or have we all been assuming that permission was implied perhaps erroneously?

 

[expatCanada]

I did. He went to Lafayette, IN on 2/13. He came home @ 6:30 to a neighbor asking permission to search for 2 lost girls. On 2/14 he went into Delphi, IN. Remember, during he time the girls were just presumed LOST and no foul play was considered until their bodies were found around 12:15 pm on 2//14.

It's not Banfield
's words I'm referring to. I know she screwed up but watch and listen to what he said. I thought it was Inside Edition but it may have aired on HLN instead.

 

[tokyorose]

Let's back track...

Indiana State Police Sgt. Tony Slocum told 24-Hour News 8 a search of Logan’s property began around noon Friday. Authorities have not said what evidence led to a search warrant being granted.
http://wishtv.com/2017/03/17/search-underway-of-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found/

Officers told CBS4 that they are trying to find any evidence that could link or clear Logan from the case. Police said Logan is not considered a suspect at this time.
http://www.wlky.com/article/delphi-...earch-warrant-at-property-owners-home/9147011

Police have had to debunk multiple rumors regarding arrests in the case, including one recurring rumor that connects Logan to the girls' murders. State police have not made any arrests in connection with the the case.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...erty-where-delphi-teens-abby-libby-found-dead

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley says authorities previously searched a rugged, wooded area of Logan's property where the bodies were found.
http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Po...Delphi-teens-bodies-were-found-416461703.html

WTHR reports Ron Logan was arrested last week in Delphi, IN on an unrelated probation violation. Police told WTHR that they are trying to determine whether or not Logan is a suspect in the teens' murders.
http://www.14news.com/story/3493924...-man-where-bodies-of-indiana-teens-were-found

Police have not revealed what led them to search his home but said in a statement: "We are basically here to eliminate him or put him as a higher suspect in our case."

Logan told Inside Edition he is devastated by the discovery of the bodies on his property.

“That was like being hit with a bolt of lightning. On my property! You just can't put words to it,” he said.

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/in...y-where-ind-teens-bodies-were-found/423802139



Leazenby hopes people won't jump to conclusions when they serve search warrants like this one. Police are just doing their jobs to leave no rock unturned in this investigation.

http://www.wlfi.com/story/34939286/sheriff-search-warrant-served-is-just-standard-procedure

Investigators spent several hours searching the home and property it sits on, but have not released any details about the search. They say it could take more than three weeks to process any evidence taken during their search. Logan is not being released from jail at this time.

“People shouldn’t speculate on why someone was searched or not searched," said Carroll County Prosecutor Robert Ives. "No charges have been filed relating to the deaths of the two girls and no charges are imminent.”

Ives can’t comment specifically on the search warrant that was served at Logan’s property on Friday, but he said the case is large and has included several search warrants and dozens of subpoenas so far.

“I’m not aware of an investigation of this size ever occurring in a county of our size,” said Ives. “It’s probably happened in big cities, but not here.” http://www.wibc.com/news/local-news...-and-still-no-suspects-murders-libby-and-abby


Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told ABC News today the search warrant is “part of the continuing investigative process” and he said he cannot go into any specifics about what authorities are looking for. This is not the first search warrant served in this case.
http://marygreeley.com/?p=50220

“Just because a search warrant is issued” on someone’s property, Leazenby said, does not mean an arrest follows.

State police said today authorities are still combing through the thousands of tips they’ve received in the double murder case.http://www.mycentraloregon.com/2017...roperty-where-slain-indiana-teens-were-found/

All these quotes, and doing my own opinion inferencing, tips must have come in that made the search necessary. IMO, RL granted all the interviews, including the one with Inside Edition, and that may have caused people across the nation (and world) to connect the dots with the clothes BG was wearing, so tips poured in. Agree with many of you, RL had nothing to do it with it. I am also doubtful he had any role at all and no insider information either.

I am sure his initials will continue to show up here, though. IMO opinion only.

I very much disagree. I do not think a judge would have signed off on a probable cause search warrant for RL's entire property because a bunch of people on lap tops called in tips. Novelist, here on websleuths had a tip called in on him and received at call from ISP, but I don't believe they exercised a search warrant of his property, JMO.

 

[Jax49]

So I watched the inside edition video and RL says that he was asked permission to search his property when he returned home at 6:30 pm, on 2/13, but he never said he gave permission. There is a difference. Does anyone recall an article where it says he was asked and gave permission? Or have we all been assuming that permission was implied perhaps erroneously?

IMHO, had he refused permission we would have heard about it, either officially or thru interviews with locals. With all the finger pointing it would have been front page news on SM. My opinion only, of course.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

No perp arrested today???

Anyone with cliff notes on the day?

 

[Jabarn]

I very much disagree. I do not think a judge would have signed off on a probable cause search warrant for RL's entire property because a bunch of people on lap tops called in tips. Novelist, here on websleuths had a tip called in on him and received at call from ISP, but I don't believe they exercised a search warrant of his property, JMO.

I didn't know that. We don't know for sure without the release of the SW (search warrant). Thanks for responding.

 

[lakeliving]

I agree so much with this. When I asked why record and not run or call for help I wasn't victim blaming, just trying to figure out why. No one but the girls and the killer was there and know how it went from a video recording to murder.

I completely understand both perspectives. IMO if I put myself in Libby's shoes I wouldn't have called 911 JUST because I saw someone behind me on a bridge. Even if I had encountered him before and he creeped me out. I would only feel the need to do so in the event that he approached aggressively or threatened me. However, IMOO we don't know for sure how long before they noticed him following them across the bridge. My guess is he waited till they were far enough along and he started following them. It's not an easy bridge to navigate. So they most likely weren't looking back that often (yes I know Libby took the pic of Abby pointing North and he wasn't on the bridge at that point). However, he could have been on the bridge after that photo op following them for some time without them noticing. They got to the end to turn around and there he is. She may have even been taking video of Abby and accidentally panned right and got him without even knowing it. Which might explain why the stills can't be be further enhanced. IMO this may also explain the distance of 80' give or take (Speculation) he was to them in the still shots based on GH videos Maybe they didn't even see him until it was too late. Kids get preoccupied and unfortunately are usually looking at their phone while recording or taking a pic rather than actually looking at what they are capturing or their surroundings. (Not just kids but adults too). This is all All MOO. Those poor girls were ambushed IMO. He was on that bridge and he knew he had them trapped. They needed to go North back across the bridge to meet with their ride. They probably didn't even think to run the other direction(south). The trail ends on the South side. This is all speculation and MOO.


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[Theforeigner]

Does anyone know if RL, or any person close to the girls and/or the girls family, are breeding pigs?
(I know it seems like an odd question but I do have a good reason to ask)


On another note;
One of my suspects, who lives a bit south of Delphi, popped up in the media in a video interview just hours before the image of BG was released by the media, in that interview my suspect was wearing a brown hoodie, has reddish hair and had a bit of a beard.

Oddly enough yesterday I fund another recent (dated ca 1 week ago, ca 5 weeks after the first interview) media-interview with the very same man AGAIN being interviewed about the girls murder.
And there is nothing that indicate that this man has any particular reason to be re-interviewed like having some connection to any of the girls or their families.

Isn't that kind of odd that he was re-interviewd ?

So now I wonder why media interviewed him again ?

Did he kind of mingle himself into the location where media, covering the case, was doing their thing?
Did police, for whatever reason, ask someone from media to interview the guy ?
Or was it just a coincident?

 

[tokyorose]

IMHO, had he refused permission we would have heard about it, either officially or thru interviews with locals. With all the finger pointing it would have been front page news on SM. My opinion only, of course.

Maybe he gave his permission the next day/morning? Do we know what time he returned from his errands on 2/14? I'm not so sure I agree that he must have given his permission. I ask because I thought we recently discussed here that his property was not searched that night, only the bridge and the public trails.. The sun had already set when they asked permission to search his property at 6:30pm.