IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #41

[Oregonmama]

Can someone please bring forward the twist quote? Tia.

The article is in the media thread.

 

[abstr]

Then there's the problem of driving with a suspended license (I don't think we've established if that was the case, though). Whatever he was up to on the 13th, it was something that pertained to his parole. Legal or not.

In MOO opinion it didn't have to relate to the 13th or 14th. He could have have a gun he wasn't allowed if that is a condition of his probation, could have missed a probation meeting, if not allowed to drink a beer in the fridge.....From MYO in reviewing court records it seemed he should have his license back by now but cannot confirm, so MOO. I just don't know why he violated probation, IMO it is pretty easy to do and up to the "system" to decide when/if to enforce it.
That could mean they don't know or they have some info we don't and are doing it for a reason. ......ALL IMO....Just MOO

 

[margarita25]

This is a strange statement and makes me think one of the girls in particular was the main target and the other just happened to be in the way. Maybe one of the girls had a chance to run at the beginning but chose to stay. I wonder if he did something to the first girl to get her out of the way quickly, hid her body, then forced the second girl to a nearby barn or something until everyone stopped searching for the night.
Once things were quiet, 3 am or so he could have forced the second girl back to the location of the first girl and this is where he left them both.
At this point I imagine getting out of there wouldn't have been too difficult because the search was called off around 11pm so there would have only been friends and family searching if anyone at that time of the morning on that first night.

Is it often in a big case like this that LE keep so quiet in regards to the COD or is this unusual in America?

This does remind me of Lizzie and Lyric, their bodies were found a little apart, can't remember the exact distance if someone wants to add, tia. There is a visual which shows this.

 

[wgram]

Wondering were theories will go when RL is released and goes home. Jmo

BBM I agree. What was the outcome of his court appearance the other day? I haven't heard and just got back on here from a few days ago.

 

[elmomom]

Will I EVER be able to post ANYTHING correctly the FIRST time?:gaah:

Don't be so hard on yourself, your posts are great, and you do go back and correct them, most people don't bother! Thank you!!
:loveyou::loveyou::loveyou:

 

[Patriot10]

After thinking about it I was going to edit my post but I'll just add here that honestly it wouldn't even have to be someone working in the town, the same could be true for someone visiting anyone living there or passing through for some other reason.

I'd be inclined to agree if the crime scene was In one spot and relatively easy to reach. But in this case, we had multiple crime scenes (bridge where the girls were possibly abducted, the walk down to the actual murder scene). The crime scene(s) was extensive and would require detailed knowledge about the area. Not something an outsider who is in town for a short time would know. I'm basing this just from what I have read on this case. This was such a high risk crime, it seems the odds of success were more favorable to someone who lived in that area or grew up there and who knew the people and the terrain. Just my gut.

The fact that two girls were murdered speaks to someone who is older and more experienced. He may have done time in prison but may not have his DNA in the national database. He may have lived overseas for a stretch of time.

 

[Jethro4WS]

On the evening of the 13th if I had returned to my ranch and was asked if my property could be searched...I would say yes and I would be very cautious. I would ask the police to go through my buildings for fear of a perpetrator hiding. RL seemed very calm.

On the 13th - especially at 6:30pm - there would have been no reason to think there was a perpetrator at all, let alone one hiding in his buildings.

 

[ocgrad]

I'm wondering if Bikers/drug dealers are involved? JMO but those types of people usually don't rat out on one another (if they know what's good for them) :scared:

That's my theory. What other local or semi local person wouldn't have been firmly identified by now. Gangs operate illegally just like that based on confidence they will be covered.

 

[CoreyRocks]

Thank you, Websight. Bringing it over from the media thread:




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This statement seems odd to me:

"I wasn't there, yeah, I think the love those two girls apparently had for each other is probably why they stayed together and unfortunately it caused their death."

What does this mean? That maybe one was the intended victim but the other stayed? Or one had a chance to get away? Their love for each other causing their death? I hate to overanalyze and read anything into statements that might not be there, but this is wierd, imo.

I agree that is odd. He is using plural "their death" instead of her death in case one could escape. How could it have caused both their deaths.

 

[borndem]

I agree, but if he indeed had walked that bridge many times, you would think that someone had to have seen him at some point, especially if it's a hang out for local kids. Somebody would have said: "Oh, that's so-and-so!" This whole case is so frustrating.

bbm

Let's hope somebody already has. :sigh:

Fingers crossed.

:justice:

 

[AmateurAnalyst73]

Very true. Had a relative who once left for a walk from a holiday dinner, robbed a nearby business and returned and ate dinner with the family as if nothing out of the ordinary had happened. No nervous behavior, no quick departure.There are very few criminals, even among "lifers" who have that level of control. or lack of fear/remorse/emotional affect after a crime. I suspect whoever perpetrated the crime against these girls may be this type of criminal.Sociopath?Psychopath?Not sure of the clinical term, but it seems to put them on a different level of "dangerous" IMO.

After thinking about it I was going to edit my post but I'll just add here that honestly it wouldn't even have to be someone working in the town, the same could be true for someone visiting anyone living there or passing through for some other reason.

 

[Patriot10]

That's my theory. What other local or semi local person wouldn't have been firmly identified by now. Gangs operate illegally just like that based on confidence they will be covered.

Unless it's sex trafficking, I think most gangs are really into selling drugs and making money. They're not into murdering teenage girls. Many also have a "code" and those who target children are very, very low on the totem pole. If they go to prison, they are marked for death or beatings.

 

[No it's not]

RL's torso/upper body is much longer and taller compared to the length of his legs-- versus the person on the bridge. Just my opinion. RL's body is sorta not in proportion if that makes any sense. The bridge perpetrator looks more "normal."

Original Inside Edition picture:

Merged next to POI/BG by me:

Disclaimer: RL may or may not be The POI/BG. The POI/BG may or may not be the killer of Abby and Libby.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[Patriot10]

Not the same person. MOO.

The photo of RL also appears to have been adjusted/shrunken so that he appears to be the same height as the guy in the pic. I don't think RL is the perp in that still image.

Original Inside Edition picture:

Merged next to POI/BG by me:

Disclaimer: RL may or may not be The POI/BG. The POI/BG may or may not be the killer of Abby and Libby.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[Jax49]

Original Inside Edition picture:

Merged next to POI/BG by me:

Disclaimer: RL may or may not be The POI/BG. The POI/BG may or may not be the killer of Abby and Libby.

All IMO

-Nin

Interesting. Looks like the property owner has bridge guy by at least 30 pounds in the "stomach" area. MOO.

 

[Madhom]

I believe that what set the girls' alarms off about BG was this: the first time they saw him, he was walking TOWARD them from the Southern end of the bridge. He walked past them, headed north. Perhaps they had an uneasy feeling as he passed. He continued past them maybe 100', making sure no one was approaching the bridge from the north side, turned and started moving quickly at the girls. They noticed his turn and were immediately on edge. IMO, BG was never at the northern end of the bridge.

 

[cluciano63]

Trying to work out if there is a chance RL has not supplied DNA. To me, the actions and words of LE so far seem to indicate either he is not a match or they do not have his sample to check.

Jmo, if he does match and they already know this, they would announce it, whereas if he does not match, he could still be in the frame as a possible accomplice during or after the crimes and they might not announce anything at this point.

But I get the impression they are still seeking BG and a DNA match as of this week.

 

[margarita25]

I took it as the girls had a tight friendship bond. JMO, but if I was in that situation and felt threatened and paralyzed with fear, i would stay with my best friend too and not escape unless we could leave together......

It's hard to say how one would react in that situation, no matter how much they loved their friend. Meaning if I had the chance to escape I think I would so I could go get help, as hard as it would be to leave her and as guilty as I would feel. This is what happened in Kathlynn Sheperd's case. Her friend got away. She had a chance to run while MJK was assaulting the other victim, Kathlynn. And they got to the perp MJK who offed himself before they could take him.

 

[ocgrad]

Welcome to Websleuths.
We have discussed more than one killer abducting the girls and forcing them into a vehicle on the road and taking them to another location, perhaps another town or perhaps somewhere nearby they knew where they would be protected and bringing their bodies back later. That's is my theory. I do not believe one or 2 people forced them to walk down the bluff and across the woods and down the bank into the creek and across and back up. Why would they if they already had them on the road, right? But not a car, I'm thinking a van or larger SUV at least. I don't think someone was just scoping out for any young female though but that's a valid theory, especially with 2 RSO living together nearby. I have wondered when they were brought back, probably as you suggested in the wee hours.
In the future when you post it is best not to reference other blogs and forums as the source of your information. Even though its locals its still rumors technically. You can say that you think or believe as we all can share our theory.

 

[Comanche heart]

There is absolutely no way that RL is the man on the bridge.
Law enforcement has no idea of who this person is, but instead of admitting it they are using an older man with alcohol problems to divert public attention.
How many people in Delphi believe this man murdered these girls?
He violated his probation by being out of county and was afraid to tell the truth.