IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #48

[AmateurAnalyst73]

In this particular case it's hard to say. The fact that it's election year for county officials in Indiana may be part of why the sheriff has accompanied RL to the courthouse. We all hate to think politics would play into a case like this, but why wouldn't it? The face time adds to his recognition, and elections are often little more than popularity contests. IMO

Just wondering, is it normal to have higher ranking LE involved in a high profile murder case accompany transport/sentencing of a prisoner on much lesser charges which are 'unrelated to the murder case'?

 

[Hatfield]

I totally agree. I also have always imagined that perhaps he "promised" them he'd let them go eventually if they cooperated quietly. Unfortunately, most people don't know that if someone is trying to move you to a secondary location, they are most likely going to kill you anyway. Being as innocent as they were, they probably believed him if this was the case.


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IMO
I totally agree with this.

I think that is exactly what BG told them when he encountered them on the bridge. I bet he said just do what I say and nobody will get hurt.

Which could explain why they both followed his instructions and walked wherever he told them to.

When all along he had other plans and they were not going to come out of it alive.

 

[Bemused]

Sensitive matter: Scroll and roll


I tried to envision BG killing one child and demanding the other child to carry her across the creek. I can't make that happen.

If BG shoots my bff and then, expects me to help him in any fashion, no, my legs would never allow me to carry my wounded friend for him. Just shoot me now. I don't think Liberty would carry her dead or wounded bff either. These were children; not soldiers. JMHO

Remember, dead weight is hard for a grown, healthy, strong man. Libby weighed 200 lbs and Abby about 100 lbs, IIRC. I don't see either girl being able to carry each other, even alive. IMO I think it'd be tough for the killer as well unless he had help, so I'm sticking with the murders happened where the crime scene was taped off on RL's property.

 

[Razz]

Did I not read on here the other day that it was said that , one of the girls could of made a get away but the love the girls had for each other means they stayed together costing both of them their lives?

So I can not imagine he injured one or pushed one of the bridge to get the other one to comply when he only wanted one of them.

Yes, but how are you going to get one of them with the other in the way?

I don't see this as totally risky yet. What if BG feigned a stumble and bumped A off the bridge "accidently". At this point, it appears to be "just an accident."
And he has a way out. But they would be much easier to contain if one is injured and the other trying to comfort her. No screams, no nothing. Perhaps he makes a fake call to 911?

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[Lilowlet]

However, he went to the dump the morning of the 13th. When the girls were still alive and before they were even dropped off for their day of pictures and walking the trail/bridge.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. 😁

 

[Bemused]

I believe it was his lawyers call.
Jmo

It was his right and I'd think he was stupid if he failed to heed his counsel's advice. People think when you're innocent you have nothing to fear, but I'd get a lawyer as well.

 

[asyousay]

Yes, but how are you going to get one of them with the other in the way?

I don't see this as totally risky yet. What if BG feigned a stumble and bumped A off the bridge "accidently". At this point, it appears to be "just an accident."
And he has a way out. But they would be much easier to contain if one is injured and the other trying to comfort her. No screams, no nothing. Perhaps he makes a fake call to 911?

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The girls were freaked out by him so much they took that video so I can't imagine if he pushed one them they wouldn't freak out.

I still think he had a gun or knife and shortly after that video he was upon them and held them hostage.

If he grabbed on and told the other one not to scream or he would stab or shot the one he was holding I think they would of complied.

 

[Lilowlet]

Well, this would be failure to report a crime. We do know RL intentionally mislead LE (false reporting) of his whereabouts on Feb. 13th. If he did witness a crime of this magnitude either before, during or after and chose not to report it; this in itself is a crime!

Right this was my point in it all. Maybe why he's not a suspect yet. But still involved in another way imo. ( Sorry guys I know the dump timing is off from my post. I try to keep. Up!) 😊

 

[AmateurAnalyst73]

And jumping off this thought, if that hasn't happened by around mid-May...I'd say this case will be cold as ice.

If I was LE and I was close to an arrest, I would certainly not tell the public anything (in order not to tip off the perpetrator so they don't flee.)

I would say we are working thru the tips and blah, blah, blah...even if they are close to an arrest.

If and when an arrest comes, it will come quickly out of the blue at 4:00 am in the morning or at his place of work.

Then, and only then, will we know if the case is moving forward and is not hopelessly stalled.

 

[lelandrob]

It was his right and I'd think he was stupid if he failed to heed his counsel's advice. People think when you're innocent you have nothing to fear, but I'd get a lawyer as well.

I agree. Another thing that bothers me, bond was set at the first trial. RL could have left jail for a mere $500.00. If you were facing several years in jail, wouldn't you take that time to leave, go home and get your affairs in order? The man had property, animals, home etc. Just strange. mo

 

[whiskers]

I agree. Another thing that bothers me, bond was set at the first trial. RL could have left jail for a mere $500.00. If you were facing several years in jail, wouldn't you take that time to leave, go home and get your affairs in order? The man had property, animals, home etc. Just strange. mo

His lawyer probably knew he would get time since he's had so many passes before. Lawyer probably advised him to stay put as this would be used as time spent towards his future sentencing.

 

[Bemused]

This was pretty interesting about solving cold case homicides.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-...to-solve-a-murder-when-the-case-has-gone-cold

I'm hopeful that LE in this case will make better progress because the town is small and they've got a lot of manpower and resources working in their favor. Also, the fact this is two young girls continue to keep this case in the media.

 

[Lilowlet]

Maybe he told them his girlfriend was injured down the hill and either she didn't exist or helped him to eliminate them. If there was a woman involved maybe the girls recognized her and she did not want them to tell she was with BG. Just moo

See I thought something similar, like I lost my dog scenario he went down the hill etc. This IMO would explain a possible confrontation of some sort or man looking for something girls get curious wait on BG some 70 - 80 feet away then vid and ask about it. I just don't know but good thought.

 

[Bemused]

I agree. Another thing that bothers me, bond was set at the first trial. RL could have left jail for a mere $500.00. If you were facing several years in jail, wouldn't you take that time to leave, go home and get your affairs in order? The man had property, animals, home etc. Just strange. mo

He does have family so maybe he knew it would be taken care of. I can't speak for him, but he was only in jail another week so what difference would it make if he'd bailed out? He's receiving deduction for time served. Maybe his lawyer figured he was safer in jail maybe having withdrawals from alcohol medically monitored or even from some misguided vigilantes. IMO

 

[GangaMa]

I am very disappointed in the turnabout. RL will die in jail. Whether the Main Suspect is ever arrested, the murders of two young girls being left on his property has effectively ended RLs life. There is no joy to be found in this legal matter.

Agree. There is nothing about this entire case that is "fair" or "ok" in any way. No mental corkscrew of a killer ever considers other people's lives/feelings, much less the law of unintended consequences. That's the nature of totally selfish behavior. The ripples have spread all across the pond from this one.

 

[Jax49]

I agree. Another thing that bothers me, bond was set at the first trial. RL could have left jail for a mere $500.00. If you were facing several years in jail, wouldn't you take that time to leave, go home and get your affairs in order? The man had property, animals, home etc. Just strange. mo

I wonder if he was still held on No Bond on the original charge? MSM did report he was held without bond, even when we were reading $5000 bond for the new charge.

 

[asyousay]

I don't think these were stupid girls , we know Libby was so alarmed she took a video of him. So I can not fathom any excuse he would of told them that they would of believed.

They knew exactly what he was before he even reached them IMO

 

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

I concur

 

[Lilowlet]

There's a good possibility I'm reading too much into Leazenby's statement regarding RL, but it stands out to me. I don't see RL in the photo of BG. However, I find the warrant on RL's home, his arrest, jail w/no bond and now a hefty sentence compared to what he's been given in the past extremely peculiar. I don't know what's all going on or what LE knows that we don't, but a few things aren't adding up. If LE has their eye on someone I pray they have the right person and it has nothing to do with "tunnel vision". In the Jacob Wetterling case LE and the media publicly convicted DR for Jacob's abduction when DH was under their nose the entire time. They had tunnel vision, I'm not saying that's what's gong on with this case, but it happens. For me, it's a good reminder to try to keep an open mind, even when it's incredibly hard to do.
MOO

It is hard I agree with you. For me I don't see the resemblance in the belly area if it is a singular person involved. But it might not be. Imo something went down at some point be it RL witnessed something or worse or even less worse. Imo something happened he knows about. It might not be incriminating. I agree with the person who said, he's following bad advice though it's his right. IMO since his concern was probably going to jail unrelated in the first place.. telling some info if he knew some IF might have lightened that sentence. This is where I get stumped with him.

 

[Elley Mae]

He definitely needed a program.
You don't just stop drinking. you need help.

That is probably true for most ppl, my father smoked(kools) for 40 plus yrs, drank for over 40 plus yrs and quit both a couple yrs apart. I also quit smoking & drinking within a month of each other. Neither one of us had any assistance in doing so. Both of us were/are strong willed, for me it was mind over matter.

I also did a few different drugs in my youth, pot, speed, coke and quit those as well. Life is much better sober.