IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #5

[AmyPond]

I am so confused. I thought that was just the snapchat photo that someone zoomed way in on. Is that not what is was?

I didn't see a face at all, for what that's worth.

 

[monkeypants]

Do we have anything from LE saying if it was video and/or if it was from a trail camera versus one of the girl's phones?

Pretty bad quality if it was one of the girls phones. Imo it's from a random visitors phone and he was in the background and it has been severely magnified to be able to share with MSM. Or it's from a trail camera....same issue...off in the distance and magnified.

 

[Nocgirl]

http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Con...412423373.html

wow I am at a loss for words this pervert was released. He is a double child killer and molester. OMG. So is he back in jail then as we speak?

 

[jillycat]

Aside from the poor quality, I don't think it's stationary camera footage because there would be more than those two frames, and LE would want the public to have as much info and imagery as possible to help identify this person. But if the images are from a victim's phone, there's likely more in the video than they want released. That could be anything, or it could simply be too much of a tip off to the perp that police know more than they're talking about in media, or that the girls somehow, even unintentionally, revealed something about the crime that the police don't want to reveal that they know.

Since the police have been downright blunt that they want to arrest this person, there is something in evidence that points directly to this person. Could be something on his person in the pics that was then left at the scene, or could be there's some video of the crime, or him having contact with these girls. We don't know what Libby might have been able to capture on her phone, or if the video kept rolling, caught voices, or screams, or any other audio, in addition to time stamps and other imagery that's also time stamped.

I think it's somewhat unique that police seem to not know who he is (and maybe by now they do), but they've minced no words that they are accusing him of murder and want him in custody. So they know a lot, and it may be a number of things that complete the puzzle for them, or it may be a pearl such as an indicting electronic footprint of some kind.

 

[perfectingpink]

Some predators are always prepared and just wait for or look for the opportunity to pounce and I think that may be what this guy did. (I wish I could remember where I heard this about another case because it is not my original thought and I would like to give credit.)

 

[LietKynes]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4234836/Search-warrant-served-Indiana-home-teens-murders.html

DM is carrying this photo, as well as other news sites.
Last known photo of them alive.

If it helps to nail the suspect, that would be good.


Eta : Not seeing a face below the area previously pointed out and circled.. but it looks like there could be tied up burlap bags.. so that is suspicious in itself. Why would anybody have a stash of bags down there ?
MOO

 

[liltexans]

The hitchhiker/walking the road angle is interesting because it leads me to believe that this may have been more of a crime of opportunity than first assumed. I'm guilty of assuming that this may have been an arranged meeting because of the initial statement of LE about "knowing what is going on in your children's lives..." or something similar that I recall. Hence all of my focus on maps and the area. I have been pre-occupied with trying to figure out how he got in and out of there and chose the areas he did.

This made me think that if it were a pre-arranged meeting, then there was at least some level of planning. Chosen place to park, tools/kit brought to the scene, method of entry and exit, etc...

I can't imagine a sophisticated offender hitch-hiking or walking in the view of so many witnesses after committing such a crime. I also never felt that they were placed in a vehicle after getting to the trails because I would assume that an experienced offender would try to get them out of the area as quick as possible if he had managed to get them in a vehicle, away from anyone that may have begun to look for them.

I also felt if this were pre-planned, he would have needed a gun to control them and possibly some means of keeping them quiet. I can't imagine there was any significant chase considering the terrain. It would also suggest that they weren't bound and dragged or carried for any real distance again because of the terrain. I felt that if he took them to where they were found, he did it with a gun or some considerable method to control and lead them there.

The new development of someone walking is intriguing because it means that he could have entered and exited the trails and area via different routes. It could be a more opportunistic crime and raises the question as to was he already there with items he would need to commit such a crime? If he was able to commit a crime without anything more than what he had on him, it would lead me to believe he's at least somewhat experienced in this.

I've mostly felt that this was a prepared offender who met them somewhere near the bridge and directed them away with a gun. I also figured he'd need some method of restraining at least one of them once they were at or near the area where they were killed. It could also have been someone who saw them upstream on the banks from the bridge and snuck up on them, but he'd still need to subdue one or both to manage such a crime without a gun aside from a blitz attack of some sort. In a blitz situation, I'd assume that one of the girls would have been murdered quickly and the other subdued in very short order. I just can't get my head around how someone alone could commit this crime on the two of them without having some weapons or tools. Either way, in an opportunity situation- you had someone who either was just there with the items he'd need to commit such a crime, or someone who was depraved and confident enough to pounce on 2 teenage girls in broad daylight with no weapons or tools in an area where others could have witnessed it.

I've really been hoping it wasn't a drifter because I've been worried that if it is, he'd manage to leave the area without anyone having known he had been there and be harder to track down. Still a ton of info that we don't have and I know I'm jumping around to a lot of conclusions.

Did they mention any specific roadways when seeking witnesses?

I haven't seen any mention of specific roadways in any of the articles so far.

 

[yupikgirl]

A link is always good. The problem I can see with the posted image is that it is work done by someone on the FB page and not taken directly from Liberty's snapchat. Someone here could do the same thing with the picture, it just can't be a random person's work. Gee, I hope that made sense.

Yes this. The original is allowed as well as any zoomed in/cropped areas that we can see and want others to look at (we can circle and write on them in hopes of showing others). Not to totally repeat what you said, but probably worth repeating LOL


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[piper6152]

Photo suspect now identified as probable perp
http://www.wthr.com/article/tips-pour-in-after-suspect-identified-in-delphi-double-homicide

There has been some argument on this board that it doesn't matter if this still came from a phone or trail cam. I respectfully disagree. If the video still came from a trail cam then the LE have a record of all foot traffic on the
bridge. Very different investigation than one relying on a single video taken by one witness in the area.
I believe it is a trail cam still due to the angle of the photo and the compression of the file. In no way do I
believe the girls filmed the video. Impossible to achieve this video unless from a greater height. And looking
at the topography not achievable. It is from a trail cam. Which is good as the LE have a fairly decent
timeline and lead on suspects.

I also agree that a video feed could explain racing back to the scene. It is very likely cops would leave a live
feed camera as perps are known to revisit crime scenes. Very possible a live feed showed someone representing the perp.

FBI involvement? Wouldn't be surprising given a media covered double homicide by an inexperienced small county LE.

How did the girls end up down there? Being athletic and loving photography it is not all that unlikely to
me that they may have hiked down to the graveyard. I'm a hiker and the terrain is not at all that rough. We
aren't talking Colorado or Adirondacks. A mild ravine. It is however difficult topography to drag a body
through. The girls were apparently tracked through footprints. There is no evidence on video of bodies being
dragged through fallen leaves. Massive tracks would have been left.

They were killed there. What I find strange is the different dates of death. The 13th for Libby and
14th for Abby. Did she bleed out slowly?

I can see a definite gun in that POI's pocket. Looks like a 9mm. Which is not all that strange that he
would carry while hiking. What is strange is he hasn't come forward. Now identified as a likely perp

I've never followed this board before. This case just intrigues and saddens me. I hope they catch this *******.
Women learn to carry weapons and defend yourself. It is estimated that over 25% of college students are raped.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-one-murdered-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/friend-of-delphi-girl-i-question-everything
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidMacAnally/status/832054316554924033/photo/1
http://elitedaily.com/news/photo-of-man-found-liberty-german-murder/1793848/

 

[MsMarple]

So different from the ones pointing out an area of interest under the bridge? I'm so confused.


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I am so confused. I thought that was just the snapchat photo that someone zoomed way in on. Is that not what is was?

I didn't see a face at all, for what that's worth.

Color me confused too. Here is a link that shows the photo:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4240026/Man-railway-bridge-main-suspect-teens-murder.html

It's one of many that are floating around msm. If I understand correctly someone was asking about an image in the photo of Abigail, correct?

I don't think it's been photoshopped but IMO it is not anything remotely human. Not trying to be snarky but to me it looks like a giant caterpillar wearing a pussy hat. My point being that it's all too easy to "see" something that's not there when the resolution is so poor.

 

[Dogface]

https://www.google.com/amp/heavy.co...g-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/amp/

Hopefully that fixes the issue. Cropped and drawn on by myself.


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[margarita25]

DOTR can you pls post that triangle you posted in LISK, tia.

 

[liltexans]

Police now say the man photographed near the trail where the girls were hiking is a suspect in the double murders. They have not explained why they made that change, but investigators say since they named him a suspect, the number of tips they've gotten from the public has jumped to 6-12 every hour.

While investigators have narrowed their search to this one man for the time being, they have expanded the geography of their search. They believe that if the man was from Delphi, someone from the town of roughly 3,000 people would have already identified him.

"We're trying to get people that were driving down the Hoosier Heartland, that were on the interstate, that were in Logansport that might have saw somebody walking, hitchhiking-- if they saw a duffle bag laying somewhere, anything. We're just reaching out for people that saw anything within that distance," explained Sgt. Kim Riley with Indiana State Police.

http://www.wthr.com/article/tips-pour-in-after-suspect-identified-in-delphi-double-homicide

 

[barbt763]

And found these.

View attachment 110534

Did I miss something? These were found where? By whom?

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[perfectingpink]

DOTR can you pls post that triangle you posted in LISK, tia.

I was just thinking about the triangle thing after reading what you posted about Jessica!

 

[wfsltt]

LEOs are still at the crime scene this afternoon and their bank of lights are still behind the cemetery where they found the girls. From the drop off point to the cemetery it is .4 miles by road. There is a trail from the north side of the bridge heading towards the crime scene, but after about 40 yards there is a drop off pretty much straight down to the water. There are beer cans along the trail not to far from the bridge. Leaving the scene would require one to either walk the road or to follow the edge of the field just inside the woods. The picture of the girl on the bridge shows her walking away from the side on which they were killed. The picture of the guy does not show blood which would have been present after he killed and fought with them. I would not be thinking a gun was used based on information available.

I figured the trail would be pretty busy today (and it was) so I parked in town and walked from the city park. It is 1.5 miles to high bridge and about 2 miles from the crime scene. If the guy was watching them and was parked at the drop off point he could have drove to the cemetery and watch/ambushed them from the top of the ridge. If the guy is experienced as many of you believe the above would allow easy capture and escape. I believe the photo on the bridge is from one of the girls phones and is before he attacked them.

There is a lane on the far side of the crime scene that I had forgotten about that leads to Brubaker's. Years ago when I was last down that lane it had a gate across itand you needed a remote control to open the gate. The lane is 1 1/4 mile long from the road to the house if I recall correctly.

 

[Tulessa]

I saw those too. But I still haven't found any that have denim on the bottom.

I had a pair that had the bottom denim, but that was years ago. I love camo, but haven't seen those sold in a long time. I'm wondering if he picked those up at a Salvation Army?

 

[skibaboo]

View attachment 110542View attachment 110543https://www.google.com/amp/heavy.co...g-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/amp/

Hopefully that fixes the issue. Cropped and drawn on by myself.


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fwiw all I see is a baby panda or a pigs head, which I highly doubt is either

 

[monkeypants]

View attachment 110542View attachment 110543https://www.google.com/amp/heavy.co...g-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/amp/

Hopefully that fixes the issue. Cropped and drawn on by myself.


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I'm just not seeing it...it's no different the wood grain in a door that looks like owls (those I saw lol)

Having these couple of pictures are making people zoom in on every nail, twig and rock. I get it but I think it's getting a bit crazy.

Only thing we really need to concentrate on is that man. Did guitar ever come back and post the cleaned up version and I missed it?

 

[myfewsense]

Here is the quote and link to the news story of the 2nd press conference after the girls were identified. With no one in custody, LE believed the community was not in danger.
"They say they don’t believe there’s any immediate danger to the community."
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/02/16/time...eenagers-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/