IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #58

[Steleheart]

They also did a special report showing the device/technology they used to transfer the data from her phone.

Thank you. I did not save the link for that. :shame:

 

[ocgrad]

It is interesting they did a "swab" of a guy's cheek. They are looking for a match.

Was that guy local? It would be interesting to know if he is they haven't eliminated locals it would seem.

ETA - the guy was from Flora. What do some consider local?

Flora is very local IMO.

 

[Steleheart]

I wonder if Libby injurys indicate that she put up a fight and I am convinced Libby could of escaped as I'm sure BG had Abby first IMO

What were Libby's injuries, specifically?

Thanks.

 

[LaneGirl]

Flora is very local IMO.

My opinion as well.

 

[whiskers]

I can not see a professional hitman leaving the phones behind imo

That's true. But maybe he's not professional? IDK, it was just a random thought I'd had.

Someone needed to get something done and his buddy said he'd do it. Perhaps a scenario like that.

 

[asyousay]

What were Libby's injuries, specifically?

Thanks.

I would not know as the information has never been released but the family would know exactly what happened and I am wondering if that's why the uncle is convinced Libby put up a strong fight.

 

[Steleheart]

Oh gosh... Local can be just about anything. Everyone is in everyone else's business in small communities. At least in my experience.

It could be love, sex, drugs, politics, money. You name it. There are some interesting rumors out there that would be way out of TOS, some of which I wouldn't respectfully repeat anyways. Again, everyone is involved in everyone else's business. This is the main factor here.

I believe only one person was targeted as it's more likely in my mind that both girls aren't likely involved in the same issue. Maybe knowledge of yes, but, I think that day provided the best opportunity to resolve whatever issue it was. This falls in line with LE's early comments which basically eluded to the fact that one of them could have basically escaped but instead stayed to protect the other.

I also believe that the brutality of the crime was a result of someone's dark fantasies that they were able to act on as a result of the their main mission. The local issue.

All my opinion of course.

:Welcome1: GMF3! And please stick around...

 

[asyousay]

We don't know if he took the phone. LE has never clarified if they have the phone or just the data.

I am sure there is a video that indicated that LE had the phone. Can anybody help me out on this ?

 

[ocgrad]

I was just looking for the quote about staying together. It was a comment by MP. It's well known that LE often script the family prior to media interviews with very specific things they want them to say in order to deliver a intentional message to the perp -

“They stuck together. I don’t know exactly what happened out there that day, but I imagine there was probably an opportunity for one, or both, to separate and try to make a break different ways, but those girls loved each other,” said Patty. “They were good friends, neither one of them left each other’s side.”
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/delphi-indiana-who-were-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams

And then this as well -

Liberty's grandfather, Dennis Bridge, 59, told DailyMail.com: 'She was a strong-willed girl, she put up a fight.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html#ixzz4gnKeaCaT
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I agree that everything LE says is strategic.
MP also said, "Neither girl left the other, they are both heros."
Much had been said of Libby being a hero because she had the presence of mind to record criminal activity. That he emphasized that they were BOTH heroes in light of neither leaving the other seemed to say to me that Libby was the target. JMO.

 

[ocgrad]

That's true. But maybe he's not professional? IDK, it was just a random thought I'd had.

Someone needed to get something done and his buddy said he'd do it. Perhaps a scenario like that.

Yes, lots of people get others to do their dirty work. That someone could have been paid or "taken care of" in some way is not the picture of professional hit man that we would think of from movies.

 

[Steleheart]

I am sure there is a video that indicated that LE had the phone. Can anybody help me out on this ?

I quoted where ISP has officially said so upthread

 

[margarita25]

Normally an arson investigation specialist or team investigate the fire, causes of, and person responsible, they are experts at doing that. The evidence they gather in their investigation is what is going to lead to the suspect. A person that is found dead in an arson fire is considered a homicide victim and homicide detective is assigned to investigate that part of it. If the victim died from the fire (as opposed to being murdered before the fire) then once that is established the homicide detective has to pretty much wait until the arson specialists complete their report in order to have anything to work with.

My brother was an insurance claims adjuster and worked a claim where this was the case. My brother had to wait until the arson investigator finished his report and evidence was tested so he could work on the insurance fraud part of the case because the owner was shown to be the arsonist by the evidence in that case. The detective involved also had to wait on the arson investigator; the case was then built and put together and then the arsonist was arrested on multiple charges. It was a very complicated process and my brother was at times extremely frustrated; it also took a long time to put it all together. The process did work, the man was convicted of arson, murder, insurance fraud and still in prison though it happened years ago.

Fire investigation is a tedious process and the more the structure is damaged by the fire the more tedious it becomes. They have to literally sift through the ashes and locate evidence as they sift, it can take a long time. A good fire investigator is absolutely amazing to watch during the process. Very dedicated professionals, unsung heroes because most people don't know what they do or how important their job truly is.

Thanks for your post. Man, I wish Foxfire was here. He was a Fire Captain.

MistyWaters, I too am intrigued about this fire in Flora...

 

[margarita25]

Alright, here we go. I've read every WS post, every rumor on SM and don't feel like I'm any farther ahead in what's going on then I did on day one. Boy are you guys passionate here. Holy Toledo.

The is my first post to WS and likely my last. Love the site and came here as a result of Libby and Abbie. You know how the FBI mentioned someone taking an unusual interest in this case, I'm definitely that guy.

This is all my opinion only.

Do you remember, about 3000 posts back, someone posted and said that they had information from someone connected to LE? Yeah yeah, I know, not a verified insider, but still. She made a great point. And I agree.

Often times, the simplest answer is the answer. This isn't a SK or anything crazy like that, this is a local issue. Initially, I'm not sure that LE knew and based on the horrific details of the murders, reacted quickly. We all know how much traffic is around the area with truckers etc. It would have almost been negligent not to take nation wide action, in my mind.

RL is and isn't involved. He's only involved by way of possibly knowing the guilty parties or somehow assisting, but unknowingly. Basically, he got caught up.

I really think that only one of the girls was the true target and it's a result of something local. I don't know what exactly that is. Whether retaliation etc. I think there are multiple people out there that know the truth but, again, small town, and will not come forward.

I don't believe the girls were taken anywhere. That night was an unorganized search for the most part. I spent many years in search and rescue and have been involved in similar situations. It's extremely tough to find someone in the dark. Especially if they're dead. I think they just weren't found.

I don't mean to sound cold when I say this, but I really don't think this will be as "exciting" as some would like to make it. Take a look at the trail and the bridge for instance. You have to have very detailed knowledge of the area to even be there. This isn't a random predator that saw an opportunity and took it, that happens at the mall, or the park etc. This was way off the road. The person that did this was specifically there for the girls. He had a plan in place and executed. I believe he likely parked in the cemetery. If he drove there at all. From everything that I've seen, that makes the most sense. To me anyways.

I respect each one of your posts. Like I said, you're a passionate bunch.

Finally. Think for a second, based on the victims, their ages and the suspected violent nature for which they were killed, I think we'd be hearing a lot more from LE if this case had gone cold. I'm fairly certain that they know the story for the most part and are just trying to connect the dots and DNA. This is going to be a hard case to eventually crack, but they will and I think we'll all be surprised that it truly was a local thing vs. some crazed lunatic driving around looking for victims. I wouldn't be surprised if no sexual assault took place.

It's obvious to me that they'll seek the death penalty and want an air tight case that will result in a conviction. That requires patience, both on their part and ours. And while I'd love to hear some LE leaks, I'm extremely impressed with how many leaks there have been. Virtually none and that's crazy considering how many people were involved.

All my opinion of course. Good day to you all.

Welcome GMF3.

:welcome4:

Great first post. Hope you stick around.

I'm still not sure that these girls were specifically targeted, but I love hearing and thinking about all theores!

 

[Jo in Calif]

This might tell you how they got the information off her phone. Its the 3rd story so you have to watch the first two.
ETA, sorry 3 storys, it's the 4th.
[video=youtube;wSKDQTfJtks]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSKDQTfJtks&app=desktop[/video]

Quoting my own post about them having the phone

 

[JLSChook]

GMF3:

Please, continue to post. Your first post to this thread was very interesting. Differing viewpoints are always welcome.

ETA: I see you stated you have 20+ years of investigative experience. That will be helpful to this case and others.

It would be much better if he would become a Verified Insider.

We need something new to sink our teeth into.

 

[skibaboo]

Thank you. I did not save the link for that. :shame:

I put it over in the media thread Stele

Indiana Computer Crimes Against Children Taskforce assisting in Delphi murders investigation
RTV6 The Indy Channel

[video]https://youtu.be/wSKDQTfJtks?t=1m34s[/video]

 

[tlcya]

It would be much better if he would become a Verified Insider.

We need something new to sink our teeth into.

Doesn't sound as if is speaking with insider (knows case players etc) perspective. Were you meaning perhaps verified professional based upon 20+ years of investigative experience?

 

[margarita25]

Good morning. I'm not sure where to share this, so how about here? This is a link to a news clip on the Flora arson where four young girls died in their home just several weeks before the Delphi murders. Same county. For anyone who ever wondered if there could be any connection, here's the latest. Looks like Ives and Leazenby are going to be interviewed for the special. The mother is frustrated that all resources and attention are going to the Delphi double homicide. Interesting stuff when you look at crime stats / demographics for the county...and here you have 6 girls killed in three months time.

http://fox59.com/2017/05/10/mom-of-four-girls-killed-in-flora-fire-breaks-her-silence-to-fox59/


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I posted the information about this crime 2 months ago because there is a correlation between SKs and arson. Namely, many SKs begin their criminal path with arson. If BG is an SK, it would not shock me if he was responsible for this terrible quadruple murder.

9 miles away, all 4 girls were cheerleaders, one had a dance recital the night before the fire...

Where was that recital? Do we have a thread for these girls? (Flagging a mod).Tia.

http://wishtv.com/2017/03/23/girl-s...ves-of-four-girls-killed-in-flora-house-fire/

Also, sports:

"Keyana was the oldest. She loved sports. Keyara was the quiet and sweet one. Then came Kerriele, who Rose said wanted to be just like her eldest sister. And Konnie was mommy's baby.

"They loved life. They loved sports. They loved dancing," said Rose.

All four girls were members of the Lafayette Diamonds Cheer team. They just competed in a major competition a few days before the fire."

http://fox59.com/2017/05/10/mom-of-four-girls-killed-in-flora-fire-breaks-her-silence-to-fox59/

Where was this competetion? What all sports and where?

"24-Hour News 8 checked with the Indiana Department of Homeland Security for an update on the investigation and was told, “The investigation is ongoing, and continues to include several partners, including State Fire Marshal Investigators with the Indiana Department of Homeland Security, Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, Indiana State Police, Flora Fire Department,Flora*Police Department and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."

http://wishtv.com/2017/03/23/girl-s...ves-of-four-girls-killed-in-flora-house-fire/

Did A and/or L participate in dance or cheer?

According to the interview with Libby's other grandfather, he lives in Flora. The two towns are so close, there ought to be many connections.

"'Family called from Delphi to see if Libby had come to Flora and if we had seen her' he said."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html#ixzz4gmdALxY4
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"One Flora, Ind. resident said he doesn’t know why, but police asked if they could question him Thursday.

He told 24-Hour News 8 he agreed to a cotton swab test and let police search his phone before they let him go.

The man said police asked, “if I was out on the trails and if I knew the two girls.”

He said he was not on the trails Monday afternoon."
http://wishtv.com/2017/02/16/police-question-multiple-people-in-delphi-girls-murders/

We know from articles the girls played softball and I'm sure Liberty was part of the swim team. Not sure about Dance or Cheer.

KellyNoonan posted this article: http://fox59.com/2017/05/10/mom-of-f...ence-to-fox59/

It's an interview with Gaylin Rose. Her 4 daughters were killed in the Flora fire.

Normally an arson investigation specialist or team investigate the fire, causes of, and person responsible, they are experts at doing that. The evidence they gather in their investigation is what is going to lead to the suspect. A person that is found dead in an arson fire is considered a homicide victim and homicide detective is assigned to investigate that part of it. If the victim died from the fire (as opposed to being murdered before the fire) then once that is established the homicide detective has to pretty much wait until the arson specialists complete their report in order to have anything to work with.

My brother was an insurance claims adjuster and worked a claim where this was the case. My brother had to wait until the arson investigator finished his report and evidence was tested so he could work on the insurance fraud part of the case because the owner was shown to be the arsonist by the evidence in that case. The detective involved also had to wait on the arson investigator; the case was then built and put together and then the arsonist was arrested on multiple charges. It was a very complicated process and my brother was at times extremely frustrated; it also took a long time to put it all together. The process did work, the man was convicted of arson, murder, insurance fraud and still in prison though it happened years ago.

Fire investigation is a tedious process and the more the structure is damaged by the fire the more tedious it becomes. They have to literally sift through the ashes and locate evidence as they sift, it can take a long time. A good fire investigator is absolutely amazing to watch during the process. Very dedicated professionals, unsung heroes because most people don't know what they do or how important their job truly is.

Flora is very local IMO.

My opinion as well.

(Marking my spot/intrigued by the Flora fire. Could this be a lead? Could be unrelated of course, but worth really looking into, imo. Thanks for finding those quotes, MistyWaters.

Travis Forbes and the last attack that put him away comes to mind.)

 

[Steleheart]

I put it over in the media thread Stele

Always on ya toes Skibby :loveyou:

ETA; You must be a ballerina.

 

[skibaboo]

Always on ya toes Skibby :loveyou:

ETA; You must be a ballerina.

LOL tried it once, fell on my face

Mutual :loveyou: