IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #61

[whiskers]

I also found it odd that he didn't go help search...

BUT

We've all heard about crimes where people screamed and no one went out to help them. I can't remember what case it was but the one where its fishy if she was kidnapped or not but she was left on the side of the road and after her story came out someone apologized for not stopping.

He may have just not thought anything sinister, just lost, and that there was enough people searching? idk

It wasn't LE who knocked on his door evening of 13th. So maybe he didn't know if he could trust the people. I know if local towns people who I didn't know knocked on my door and asked to search, I'd say yes, but I sure wouldn't go out there with them. It could be a trap. Just my opinion why he didn't go search.

They also could have stated it in a generic way, such as: Two girls are missing and we are asking nearby property owners if it's ok to search their property.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

Police have repeatedly said RL is not a suspect.


Based on that, perhaps we could focus on and discuss:

Motive
Statistics of it being a SK
Similarities to other SK or crimes
As LE stated, "Why Delphi?"

Would anyone else besides me like to sleuth the crime?

 

[LaneGirl]

"German's grandfather Mike Patty toldWLFI: 'The cellphone has been pinging around town – and here there is a cellphone tower – but the ping was last noted around five to six hours ago. And they say the phone is now dead.' "

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Thank you!

Since he mentions cell towers and not a ping by LE I'm thinking he is talking about the phone connecting to cell towers and not a ping that requests information from the phone.

Just my guess though.

 

[whiskers]

Ive been wrong before, more than once actually, but i just cant see some old fellow subduing two quick young gals. Even if he had a gun, i think they would have taken their chances against him. Doesnt add up. I dont believe its the old man at all.

Agree. A 77 year old man supposedly murdered 2 girls in 45 minutes. That's fast! One victim was 200 pounds. Plus he would have to make them walk through the rough terrain.

#TeamRL for me. The logistics don't add up.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Pretty sure because of what was on that phone or video led cops to call him one early correct? What ever it was they did say the "commencement of the crime" happened right after the photos of BG.

I guess I'm saying they have enough from what they saw or heard to determine this guy is a suspect correct?

i don't think they would have released both a picture and audio of someone just out for a walk. they did not have much of a choice is calling him a suspect if they wanted the public's help in identifying him.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Agree. A 77 year old man supposedly murdered 2 girls in 45 minutes. That's fast! One victim was 200 pounds. Plus he would have to make them walk through the rough terrain.

#TeamRL for me. The logistics don't add up.

i don't think the crime took that long. if RL has no difficulty walking the terrain i doubt the girls would. remember he walked the woods both day and night prior to the murders.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

i don't think the crime took that long. if RL has no difficulty walking the terrain i doubt the girls would.

Respectfully, none of us can make that assumption about him.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

Police have repeatedly said RL is not a suspect.


Based on that, perhaps we could focus on and discuss:

Motive
Statistics of it being a SK
Similarities to other SK or crimes
As LE stated, "Why Delphi?"

Would anyone else besides me like to sleuth the crime?

What was the full statement when the why delphi question was asked?

 

[Peace777]

Think I found the answer to my question "If the phone is not actively using resources - not doing a call, not sending SMS, not using data - and does not cross a cell area, it won't ping the towers at all, unless the towers ping the device to ping them back."
https://www.quora.com/How-often-does-a-Cell-phone-ping-the-towers

 

[Burnt Toast]

Respectfully, none of us can make that assumption about him.

RL himself said he walked the woods both night and day before the murders. so, yes, we can make the assumption that he has no problem walking the terrain. i don't think anyone who has difficulty walking would be out at night in the woods.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Think I found my answer to my question "If the phone is not actively using resources - not doing a call, not sending SMS, not using data - and does not cross a cell area, it won't ping the towers at all, unless the towers ping the device to ping them back."
https://www.quora.com/How-often-does-a-Cell-phone-ping-the-towers

i think incoming data such as a text or a email can cause a "ping". i would think family and friends were actively trying to reach them.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

RL himself said he walked the woods both night and day before the murders. so, yes, we can make the assumption that he has no problem walking the terrain.

Respectfully, none of us can make the assumption that he has NO PROBLEM walking the terrain. The fact that he walks his land DOES NOT MEAN he has NO PROBLEM walking the terrain. None of us know what type of ailments or back/hip/leg problems he may suffer from.

 

[whiskers]

Police have repeatedly said RL is not a suspect.


Based on that, perhaps we could focus on and discuss:

Motive
Statistics of it being a SK
Similarities to other SK or crimes
As LE stated, "Why Delphi?"

Would anyone else besides me like to sleuth the crime?

Sure. But then I'd be banned from the site. We can't discuss many things surrounding the case at a local level.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Thank you!

Since he mentions cell towers and not a ping by LE I'm thinking he is talking about the phone connecting to cell towers and not a ping that requests information from the phone.

Just my guess though.

So the phones could still be "pinging around town" although physically not be moving at all. That is a misleading statement IMO.

 

[LaneGirl]

So the phones could still be "pinging around town" although physically not be moving at all. That is a misleading statement IMO.

I don't think he was trying to be misleading...he may not understand how cell towers reroute etc. maybe?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Respectfully, none of us can make the assumption that he has NO PROBLEM walking the terrain. The fact that he walks his land DOES NOT MEAN he has NO PROBLEM walking the terrain. None of us know what type of ailments or back/him/leg problems he may suffer from.

Also walking around ones land with ones dog is not an indication of guilt or suspicious in any way imo. Or we would all be in jail. :-(

 

[cluciano63]

If LE has some suspcions about a POI but are not getting anywhere...are they just going to wait and hope? Maybe I have been watching too many crime shows lately (I have) but once cases grow a bit colder, memories get much weaker. Isn't there anything they can ask of the public, before too much more time passes? I watched a few episodes of "Cold Case Files" today, and the new series starts out with the statistic that only 1% of cold cases are ever solved.

 

[Peace777]

i think incoming data such as a text or a email can cause a "ping". i would think family and friends were actively trying to reach them.

So maybe the phone wasn't "pinging around town" but just being pinged from around town?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I don't think he was trying to be misleading...he may not understand how cell towers reroute etc. maybe?

Oh no I didn't mean that at all. I meant it gives the impression the phones are physically moving around town not that it was an intentionally misleading statement.

 

[whiskers]

I'm fuzzy on LE protocol in this particular area- If an underage victim is found murdered, does LE take DNA from family members? Or no?

I'm leaning towards no, but I wanted to confirm.