IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #76

[Shiressleuth]

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It's not because it's a crazy thought, it isn't allowed on WS. Family members are victims and it can be seen as victim bashing. Also, unless someone is a POI, they should not be accused of anything. This is my understanding.

 

[darring21]

When you said BG had a limp? That's never been proven, as far as I know. moo

Correct. The idea that someone on the internet can determine someone's gait who is walking across a train trestle from three still photos is ridiculous and has no credibility.

 

[Daae]

Don Frye, Can you explain Bluff-Trap?

 

[Don Frye]

It's not because it's a crazy thought, it isn't allowed on WS. Family members are victims and it can be seen as victim bashing. Also, unless someone is a POI, they should not be accused of anything. This is my understanding.

Copy that, Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Do you not think it’s a heck of a gamble killing two girls at once for your first time murder? He was confident enough to pull this horrendous crime off in daylight that leads me to believe he has killed before. I may be wrong though and appreciate your opinion.

Personally, I don't think this person is any stranger to killing. I think he is into self-survival and self-preservation. I am still of a mind the girls were in the wrong place at the wrong time and saw something they weren't expecting. Do I think this is a serial killer, funnily enough, no I don't I just think he killed on this occasion because he was seen, photographed or filmed? Nothing more than that. I think he is a cold-hearted killer and thinks nothing of it when he does kill. I also think he is a no-nonsense type person without conscious.I personally think the timeline is to short for any type of SA. I just think he killed the girls because they saw him, they photographed and filmed him and he dropped his guard by forgetting the phone uploaded to the web.

KR
Reacher

 

[Shiressleuth]

When you said BG had a limp? That's never been proven, as far as I know. moo

That's why I am asking Her about their comment and if it is fact because of what was deduced on the image thread. Gosh it gets complicated on here doesn't it?

 

[Jax49]

That's why I am asking Her about their comment and if it is fact because of what was deduced on the image thread. Gosh it gets complicated on here doesn't it?

LOL. It sure does. I went back and read Her's original post and she was talking about the order of the pics.

Opinions were offered in the image thread, but there is was no way anyone could prove it.

BTW, the comment on Dr Phil's show regarding gait was very short. Just the one word in conjunction with other identifiers, IIRC. Not "study his gait" or anything similar. moo

 

[minazoe]

Correct, just leaves one answer IMO and that something happened after his discharge. For example, an accident involving a fractured leg. If I understand correctly, he wouldn't have received a dishonorable discharge for getting a fractured leg unless it was an alcohol related incident or something else as undesirable behavior.

i thought KN said he has one leg thats shorter..

 

[kkdj]

Why??? Thrill/dominance? Hit? Hush?

SA? Then thrill kill to hush?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think the problem we are facing in this instance is the limitation of 3 frames. Was it a misstep, a realignment on the bridge back to center, or a faulty gait? We don't have enough information. He could have been drunk as well.

Or on drugs. KN stated DN had cut back on his THC use in one of her statements that were linked.

 

[Shiressleuth]

LOL. It sure does. I went back and read Her's original post and she was talking about the order of the pics.

Opinions were offered in the image thread, but there is was no way anyone could prove it.

BTW, the comment on Dr Phil's show regarding gait was very short. Just the one word in conjunction with other identifiers, IIRC. Not "study his gait" or anything similar. moo

What was the whole context of identifiers? Could you quote? Or paraphrase please?

 

[Steleheart]

IF YOU WANT TO POST ABOUT A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER YOU MUST GET PERMISSION FIRST. Please send a PM to a moderator to gain that permission.

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

4) If you feel you have a tip by all means phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

DO NOT SLEUTH DN's friends, family, former neighbors, employers, etc. Discuss what is available about DN via media and LE.

Thread #74

Seems as good a place as any to :bump: the very first post

Snipped for brevity and color by me

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...3-amp-Liberty-German-14-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-76

 

[Daae]

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Please explain how a Bluff-trap works. Could the so-called witnesses be fake?

 

[Love Never Fails]

He couldn't have, that's a fact!

I agree. He could not have served. However, after he was discharged for bad conduct or even before the discharge it is possible someone beat the crap out of him for exposing himself!
IMO....
personally, I hope someone did and that is why his wife said he had a limp. Of course, she could be a liar also. IMO

 

[Boxer]

Yes RIP I do remember that well. However when I recently said BG had a limp and so did DN, I got a load of grief here, as usual, so IMO BG has a limping gait. By coincidence DN has one leg shorter than the other, giving him a limp, as stated by KN previously linked.

You can see DNs limp on the walk from the elevator to his first court appearance -ITS TOGH YO FIND NOW (I will Still look for it) it’s a crazy coincidence -IMHO it looks just like the BG step.

However I was never convinced BG had a limp. His odd crossover step looks like he is conveying a block. “You won’t get past me”.

 

[LostInAustin]

hey there new dude, Don Frye...just put MOO or IMO in the end of your posts, people here tend to get extremely literal, so it keeps things in perspective. IMO

I'm a new dude too, but I recently saw and loved:

[emoji202]

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[Shiressleuth]

The Dr Phil interview has really helped get more discussion on this case and at least for me I am learning new details by going back through articles.

One is the cell phone appears to have been definitely found near the bodies where they were killed. I was not sure about that till I saw this.

"Sgt. Holeman tells us investigators recovered more audio from Libby’s phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene."

https://www.indystar.com/story/news...recovered-slain-delphi-teens-phone/566691001/

And if we take this part literally then it appears the sketch was developed by multiple witnesses of the perp. So more than one person saw him that day.

"Sgt. Holeman tells us several people have come forward and said they saw the killer walking on the trails the day Abby and Libby were killed. Those people helped develop a composite sketch that was released last month."

I still disagree with them that they cant release more info and there are people that are waiting to come rushing to them with false confessions though. I mean really, how often does that really happen. Is that a valid fear or just following standard procedures. I just dont buy that. I think benefits far outweigh negatives in releasing whatever they can to help get this guy off the streets.
More lives are in danger until he is arrested.

This part below really does not make much sense to me. What is he referring to when he says "There are some others we think could help us“. Who are these others? Or is he referring to other Audio parts of tape.

And "certain people that know the details". What does that mean? If they know the details then why would it matter if more is release because those people already know the more. I dont get it. More double speak IMO. We have had way too much of that IMO.

"“It does not appear to be anything more than some discussion between the girls. We have only released a portion of it. There are some others we think could help us but again protecting the integrity of the investigation is key so we cannot release everything because there are certain people that know the details and if we release it all then we get into false confessions,” said Sgt. Holeman."

Really good post Hatfield . I think the others and certain people are like the wife, brother, workmate, friend etc who may know certain details about BG. E.g. if they finished work early on that day or they dropped BG somewhere. Or they know BG changed his appearance or clothes or shoes for instance.

 

[Jax49]

What was the whole context of identifiers? Could you quote? Or paraphrase please?

Dang, wish I could. Maybe someone else remembers.

In the meantime I'll see if I can find the video...

 

[Love Never Fails]

Can someone tell me the meaning of UNSUB?
thanks.

 

[minazoe]

and then of course we all know that DN's mother was murdered in the house, then dragged out to the yard and covered with leaves.

I mean does it get any weirder?

MOO