IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

[MistyWaters]

LE has shared numerous media releases, none of which promised to provide routine updates on the status on any POI including DN -- until such time as someone is "definitively" connected to the investigation.

"............Each and everyone of these tips are investigated for any potential connection to our case. We will give the same attention to the person arrested in Colorado, but right now there is nothing that definitively connects this person to our investigation. If that should change - with this tip, or any other tip - rest assured we would be sharing such news with all media sources."
https://www.wthr.com/article/carrol...k-between-colorado-suspect-and-delphi-murders

 

[Shiressleuth]

@Shiressleuth: For some reason I can't reply with quote. You asked above was the car a red Chevy Prism.

Yes, it was: http://www.kktv.com/content/news/2-people-447798983.html
Do you have something else on it?

Ember said she followed a car with the registration "AXMAN" this morning so I was asking her as a joke really. I don't know where Ember is located. Hopefully not near El Paso county.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I accuse DN of murder, you accuse me of defamation, do you see the slippery slope?

If we were not able to make accusations then no tips to crimes would ever be reported.
So you may take my opinion as an accusation. It's really just semantics.

If you want to talk facts. I have not heard an alibi from DN or LE to make me believe otherwise. All known facts point to his guilt. If he is not guilty then LE should release information currently sealed in court documents. They have an obligation to provide public transparency and protect the public because a murder did occur and it is still unsolved.

So should we assume that the killer is still running around Mt Herman? I want to go hiking and I would like to know if it is safe.

Take some pepper spray with you, a couple of big black dogs and a gun if it's allowed.
Oh and a phone you can call 911 with the touch of a button. Plus tell someone where you're going/when you'll be back and don't go alone if possible.

 

[her]

I'm always amazed at how everyone in this thread ignores the death of Tim Watkins like it never happened. Circumstantial as it may be, all evidence points to one person, DN.

I am in an Abby and Libby thread that may be why.

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...iRmlsZUVuZCI6bnVsbCwiQ291bnR5Q29kZSI6bnVsbH19

This link show each of the warrants for DN.
If you look at the details you will see the circumstances of each one. The Bartholomew Co one is particularly interesting as there were hearings going on before and after the date of the murders. That warrant was issued in June.
The Johnson county warrant was not issued until September, as we know the circumstances of that, but the FTA was 19th July, the day after detectives turned up at the motel. 18th is the sketch release date so why did LE show up then?
There is another FTA on the 29th May on one of the other warrants and it is helpful to look at the court attendace dates and the FTA dates. I haven't got it all straight in my head yet and am still reviewing them, but am posting for more pairs of eyes to look as well.

 

[kstephens98]

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...iRmlsZUVuZCI6bnVsbCwiQ291bnR5Q29kZSI6bnVsbH19

This link show each of the warrants for DN.
If you look at the details you will see the circumstances of each one. The Bartholomew Co one is particularly interesting as there were hearings going on before and after the date of the murders. That warrant was issued in June.
The Johnson county warrant was not issued until September, as we know the circumstances of that, but the FTA was 19th July, the day after detectives turned up at the motel. 18th is the sketch release date so why did LE show up then?
There is another FTA on the 29th May on one of the other warrants and it is helpful to look at the court attendace dates and the FTA dates. I haven't got it all straight in my head yet and am still reviewing them, but am posting for more pairs of eyes to look as well.

Keep on it. I have faith you'll have it all figured out and what it all means regarding this case. Im sure of it.

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[Deleted member 102539]

YVW and yep me too but you reminded me of it recently so I'm just reciprocating.

Also I have some experience of libel laws so as the thread is for sharing our knowledge I thought it would help. I didn't misunderstand.

"likely" was used in the post you didn't quote.

Obviously there is some overlap on this case and TW's, but sometimes to make our points we have to refer to all 3 similar murders. Mustn't forget lots of similarities in order to keep our focus. But I too try to post on TW thread or on here depending on the subject.

bbm
I agree to the fullest! - When I google TW then the following headline comes up.

Tim Watkins was shot to death in an area known for illegal activity
https://www.csindy.com/coloradospri...nown-for-illegal-activity/Content?oid=7441765

I think this is the first and important similarity to Delphi although nobody is talking about. And both places in CO/IN were certainly a "nice" environment for DN or people like him who love woods, drugs, furtiveness, absence of police and an unconventional way of life, occasionally criminal.
So, if we think of DN and people like him it seems inevitable to connect the cases Abby/Libby and TW.

 

[Krwiley60]

Is that the definition of Notice of Discovery? The reference to "Notice of Discovery Compliance" involves a sexual offender and failure to register. A warrant has been authorized to be issued but it's not at the point where a trial has occurred.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=128669&d=1515697463

I was explaining discovery compliance. In my opinion, I think one of the parties was not forthcoming with their discovery or perhaps omitted something on purpose?


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[FrostedGlass]

<modsnip>
Don't stress about it. Sooner or later all the DN stuff will come to an end. Only once in my years on the net have I put someone on ignore. It was wonderful and I'm ready to do it again.

If Indiana wants DN, I think it will happen quickly after the court date (Jan 24 ?). Here are stories about a couple of guys that were extradited back to Hendricks County, Indiana. They didn't know where the men were; but once they found them, they moved quickly.

Charges filed in 2002 Hendricks County cold case murder
POSTED 5:06 PM, SEPTEMBER 15, 2015, BY GREG MARGASON - DIGITAL PRODUCER, UPDATED AT 01:20PM, SEPTEMBER 16, 2015
http://fox59.com/2015/09/15/charges-filed-in-2002-hendricks-county-cold-case-murder/


26-year-old from California charged in 'Brian Kil' Plainfield, Danville school threats case
Matt McKinney, Rafael Sanchez, Graham Hunter9:40 AM, Aug 7, 2017
11:49 PM, Aug 7, 2017
https://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/26-yr-old-from-california-charged-in-brian-kil-plainfield-school-threats-case

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[mtnlites]

bbm
I agree to the fullest! - When I google TW then the following headline comes up.

Tim Watkins was shot to death in an area known for illegal activity
https://www.csindy.com/coloradospri...nown-for-illegal-activity/Content?oid=7441765

I think this is the first and important similarity to Delphi although nobody is talking about. And both places in CO/IN were certainly a "nice" environment for DN or people like him who love woods, drugs, furtiveness, absence of police and an unconventional way of life, occasionally criminal.
So, if we think of DN and people like him it seems inevitable to connect the cases Abby/Libby and TW.

Unfortunately, though, this is happening in MOST rural places these days. With prescription drugs, and now heroin, causing such an epidemic in "middle America", parks/nature trails/abandoned buildings/etc. in just about every town have seen a rise in illegal activity.

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...iRmlsZUVuZCI6bnVsbCwiQ291bnR5Q29kZSI6bnVsbH19

This link show each of the warrants for DN.
If you look at the details you will see the circumstances of each one. The Bartholomew Co one is particularly interesting as there were hearings going on before and after the date of the murders. That warrant was issued in June.
The Johnson county warrant was not issued until September, as we know the circumstances of that, but the FTA was 19th July, the day after detectives turned up at the motel. 18th is the sketch release date so why did LE show up then?
There is another FTA on the 29th May on one of the other warrants and it is helpful to look at the court attendace dates and the FTA dates. I haven't got it all straight in my head yet and am still reviewing them, but am posting for more pairs of eyes to look as well.

Keep on it. I have faith you'll have it all figured out and what it all means regarding this case. Im sure of it.

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TY. I'm still looking at all the Court cases. They are helpful regarding dates. Lots of FTA's. I have discovered there was a FTA on the 17 Jul as well as the 19 Jul. The FTA on the 17th prompted LE to visit the motel on the 18th.
The Bortners evicted them on the 11th Jan 2017, the court record shows, a month before the murders.
They allowed DN use of a car to sleep in at that time after the eviction.

Very quiet on the board today/tonight.
(Approx 50 posts with about half referencing DN in last 24 hrs)
:wave: &#8595;&#8595;&#8595;&#8595; carbuff.

 

[carbuff]

I'm here, but since there's not much to do here, I'm working on unidentified cases...

eta: Hi Shire! Keep up the good work!

 

[Deleted member 196796]

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...iRmlsZUVuZCI6bnVsbCwiQ291bnR5Q29kZSI6bnVsbH19

This link show each of the warrants for DN.
If you look at the details you will see the circumstances of each one. The Bartholomew Co one is particularly interesting as there were hearings going on before and after the date of the murders. That warrant was issued in June.
The Johnson county warrant was not issued until September, as we know the circumstances of that, but the FTA was 19th July, the day after detectives turned up at the motel. 18th is the sketch release date so why did LE show up then?
There is another FTA on the 29th May on one of the other warrants and it is helpful to look at the court attendace dates and the FTA dates. I haven't got it all straight in my head yet and am still reviewing them, but am posting for more pairs of eyes to look as well.

I'm picking up what you're putting down Shire, nice work. This creates an AH HA moment. Why did LE go to the motel then?

 

[cathdawg]

Here is a piece of the puzzle as to where DN and possibly KN went after the Bortner's eviction. The Royal Inn, Marion County IN. The Greenwood Hotel was later.

"January 2017: Daniel Nations registers as a homeless sex offender living in Morgan County, Indiana. He told them he was living in Marion County at the Royal Inn. Because he is homeless, he is required by law to check in every 7 days and report where he is living".
Link: See Page 2
https://www.theindychannel.com/news...el-nations-be-connected-to-the-delphi-murders

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'm picking up what you're putting down Shire, nice work. This creates an AH HA moment. Why did LE go to the motel then?

Empty mentioned an FTA on the 17th July too and I have found that now so that and another FTA on the 29th May resulting in a June warrant is what picqued their interest. And the sketch release of course on the 18th July too. 2 FTA'S and a warrant then the sketch release = lightbulb . They were phoning him too. Why didn't they ping his phone to trace him?

 

[Deleted member 196796]

Empty mentioned an FTA on the 17th July too and I have found that now so that and another FTA on the 29th May resulting in a June warrant is what picqued their interest. And the sketch release of course on the 18th July too. 2 FTA'S and a warrant then the sketch release = lightbulb . They were phoning him too. Why didn't they ping his phone to trace him?

I've seen a lot of chatter in here about cell GPS data coming into play. Even if DN uses a prepaid phone it makes it more difficult to track in order to drill down on the data. But.....knowing the phone number already to a pre-paid phone as perhaps a Trac-phone or Straight Talk, is priceless. Even though this cell phone data can take a long time to receive as in the Jessica Chambers investigation, right around 8 months, the Feds are the ones to analyze tracking information. Some service providers can track more accurately than others.

 

[carbuff]

Seriously--if you want to come over to the unidentified forum, we could use all the help we can get. Lots of stuff to sleuth.

 

[ocgrad]

Empty mentioned an FTA on the 17th July too and I have found that now so that and another FTA on the 29th May resulting in a June warrant is what picqued their interest. And the sketch release of course on the 18th July too. 2 FTA'S and a warrant then the sketch release = lightbulb . They were phoning him too. Why didn't they ping his phone to trace him?

I have done this:
3/21/15 Greenwood arrest for Marijuana, Driving and Paraphenalia - PDP with regular checkins, he rescheduled 2/22/17, was there 3/22/17, the next check in was 6/14/17 FTA, PDP cancelled, 7/17/17 Warrant.

4/6/15 Riggs Eviction - 2 yrs of hassles for payment, FTA Warrant Picked him up 2/24/17 Released 2/28/17. Owe $1005

7/24/15 Indecency Bartholomew Co - 1/13/16 sentenced 1 yr suspended w mental health, 10/10/16 Hearing to revoke, 3/6/17 disposed, sentencing 5/1/17 FTA, 6/5/17 second chance FTA, Warrant.

12/9/15 Battery, 3/31/16 sentenced 162 additional days, released in Jul/Aug 2016.

8/17/16 and 8/19/16 Plainfield - Driving and Parking, 10/6/16 Released, 12/7/16 90 day suspension (I don't think he even had a license!)

11/16/16 Marion County - Marijuana, Driving and Paraphernalia, PDP checkins 2/23/17, 3/23/17, 4/27/17 - change of Plea, PDP cancelled, 5/11/17 Hearing, 5/18/17 sentencing FTA, 5/25/17 Warrant. (This is the program that got him in the motel, consequently motel stay ended 5/12/17 when PDP ended).

12/27/17 Bortner eviction, 3/7/17 Owe $1782

4/25/17 Greenwood arrest for Driving and Paraphernalia, 5/30/17 Hearing FTA, 7/19/17 FTA, 10/18/17 Warrant.

Johnson County Failure to Register - 9/29/17 Warrant.
He had everything coming down really starting fall 2016 when he was released after the Battery which triggered the revocation of his suspended sentence in Bartholomew Co, the revocation hearing was supposed to be 1/9/17 but was reset for 3/6/17, all the time he was homeless. Then the failed drug check-in for PDP Marion Co could mean serving time and loss of housing.

 

[Jabarn]

DN is prob not the guy. If they had any evidence at all, especially DNA, it would have been processed by now and he would be in the headlines.

What would be helpful is for sleuthers to look an any outliers missed. I found one, and reported him (probably being a big fat idiot in the process).

We can&#8217;t post about the outliers, but keep working. You never know.

If you find something interesting, report:

http://www.in.gov/isp/delphi.htm

 

[Falling Down]

I've seen a lot of chatter in here about cell GPS data coming into play. Even if DN uses a prepaid phone it makes it more difficult to track in order to drill down on the data. But.....knowing the phone number already to a pre-paid phone as perhaps a Trac-phone or Straight Talk, is priceless. Even though this cell phone data can take a long time to receive as in the Jessica Chambers investigation, right around 8 months, the Feds are the ones to analyze tracking information. Some service providers can track more accurately than others.

Plus, LE have to subpoena the owners of the cell towers.

People think it's easy to track cell/mobile data. It isn't, and it shouldn't be easy. It's a privacy matter with Constitutional protections here in the States.