IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019

[gitana1]

Interesting comments about possibly the person that reported this issue at this link:
Prosecutors: Couple abandons child in Lafayette, changes her age, flees to Canada

I'm bumping this to show comments by someone who claims her daughter found Natalia and took her in.

 

[gitana1]

https://www.wishtv.com/news/crime-watch-8/warrants-issued-for-indianapolis-pahttps

Kristine gave News 8 an undated and unsigned copy of the “Verified Emergency Petition for Change of Birth Date of Foreign Born Adopted Child.”

Attorney Michele Jackson confirmed with News 8 by phone that she helped the Barnetts submit the petition and is one of the only experts in the country who deals with age change requests of this nature. She said requests to change an adopted child’s age are rare but do happen.

In the petition, the Barnetts said they began to notice unusual behaviors and physical characteristics that didn’t match the girl’s documented age. They believed her to be an adult, viewed her behaviors as dangerous and thought she posed a threat to their family and to society.

The petition argues that changing the girl’s birth date would help her receive appropriate adult assistance, including for her diagnosed case of schizophrenia. It claims mental health clinics that had previously treated her would no longer admit her because they did not believe she was a child.

The petition cited the girl’s doctor and her licensed clinical social worker, who both said they believed she was at least 22 years old. News 8 reached out to both professionals last week for interviews, but those requests were ignored or denied.

I'm bumping this because it describes what was in the Barrett's petition for an age change: Her social worker and her doctor (who I'm assuming was the guy who wrote the letter in 2016), both "believed" she was an adult.

Behavior and physical characteristics made the Barrett's believe she was an adult.

She posed a danger to the Barrett's.

She could get access to services with the age change.

That's the evidence described.

 

[Dawn Day]

So it is possible that she/they provided one year of financial support to her adult son(s) and is doing the same or planning to do the same for her other sons. Right?

When I was evaluating her statements, I was thinking of the son’s in terms of their ages in 2013 because it sounded like she was recounting what she said to Natalia in 2013. But her statement was made in September 2019. So, I CONCEDE THIS POINT. Her statement could be true for her eldest at a minimum, possibly her middle child too, with intention of doing the same for her youngest. That was a good point.

 

[Dawn Day]

When exactly did they leave her?

Also, really? This woman was “optimistic” that an adult who had to be hospitalized several times and had tried to kill her and her family on multiple occasions (according to her) is suddenly totally self sufficient and sane?

The Barnetts left for Canada in July 2013. Michael returned by February 2014 as evidenced by his filing for divorce with an Indiana address, while Kristine’s was still Ontario CA

 

[gitana1]

Interestingly in reading backwards (trying to find the first time the two failed adoptions were mentioned - I'm on page 10 and no mention yet ), I see that the Barrett's claim:

"Given just 24-hours to complete an emergency adoption, the couple raced to an adoption center in Florida to sign the paperwork and meet their ‘six-year-old’ daughter."

Mother claims Ukrainian adopted daughter, 9, was 22 and had dwarfism | Daily Mail Online

We know that's a lie.

And the adoption didn't go through until November. So they had her for at least six months and still went through with the adoption.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

They were seeking guardianship of a minor child. Not of an imcapacitated adult. The Barrett's contested it stating Natalia was an adult, not a minor.

Yes, but at the time, she had already been "re-aged" (the term KB kept using in her rebuttal video"), so it's possible that the courts had to approach it as a guardianship of an adult? I'm not sure, since there is so much conflicting information. All I know is that I assume when KB is speaking, she is lying, and when she said (paraphrase) that the courts during that 2016 proceding upheld that N was an adult, it could have just meant that they denied guardianship. As far as we know, her age has not been changed a second time, right?

 

[gitana1]

And by the way, what's with their claim that Natalia had no accent and couldn't speak Ukrainian in 2010? Are they claiming she's not Ukrainian? That she came here much earlier than 2008? I mean what's the point of that otherwise?

If she was an adult in the Ukraine faking she was a child to get adopted wouldn't she speak Ukrainian fluently at this point and still have a thick accent? Adults don't lose the accent. Kids do. Adults don't lose their first language even without use. Kids do.

This actually supports the contention that she was a child when she came and not a teenager. Or are they saying she is not Ukrainian at all and is an American who faked being an international Orphan somehow and had been here the whole time?

Surely when she came can be traced by her passport. What these people are saying makes no sense. It's far fetched.

 

[gitana1]

Also, note that Kristine Barrett claims Natalia had a bone scan done indicating she was around 14 sometime after the Barrett's got her. I never saw mention of that previously. One would think that would be in her petition to change age but the unsigned petition doesn't mention any such bone scan per news reports. Read her words:

‘At the time I ran a little school and I remember she said to me, these children are exhausting, I don't know how you do it,’ Barnett went on.

‘I was like, you're supposed to be a child yourself. It was like something another mom would say as she dropped her kids off.

‘It's very hard to decipher how old she is because she has such a unique look. But at that time I started to believe she was probably a teenager.

‘But I didn’t have any regrets. This was what I wanted to do. I felt overwhelming love for her.’

Barnett says she soon began finding bloody clothing in the trash suggesting Natalia was having her period and trying to conceal the evidence.

She sought out the help of her family physician who ordered bone density tests to establish Natalia's age.

When the results suggested the little girl was indeed at least 14 or older, Barnett says she switched the princess outfits and pink dresses for more appropriate clothes.

But as questions swirled around her age and true identity, Natalia's behavior begun to deteriorate.

Mother claims Ukrainian adopted daughter, 9, was 22 and had dwarfism | Daily Mail Online

So she admits to keeping the kid after starting to believe she was a teen already. She kept her after a bone scan, according to her, indicated the child was 14.

But then her behavior started deteriorating. And then they decided to get rid of her. Magically, the kid at that very time aged 6 to 8 years from the time of the supposed home scan indicating she was @14, until the age change petition.

Interesting.

This stinks to high heaven.

 

[gitana1]

Yes, but at the time, she had already been "re-aged" (the term KB kept using in her rebuttal video"), so it's possible that the courts had to approach it as a guardianship of an adult? I'm not sure, since there is so much conflicting information. All I know is that I assume when KB is speaking, she is lying, and when she said (paraphrase) that the courts during that 2016 proceding upheld that N was an adult, it could have just meant that they denied guardianship. As far as we know, her age has not been changed a second time, right?

No. Because the Barrett's contested it on the grounds that Natalia was a minor so no guardianship was needed. If the courts had been approaching it as a guardianship of an adult there would be no need for the Barrett's to contest it at all, let alone on the grounds that the child was actually not a minor.

Also, the paperwork is simply different. The courts aren't going to just treat a case differently from how it's filed. They'd have to re-file.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Also, note that Kristine Barrett claims Natalia had a bone scan done indicating she was around 14 sometime after the Barrett's got her. I never saw mention of that previously. One would think that would be in her petition to change age but the unsigned petition doesn't mention any such bone scan per news reports. Read her words:

‘At the time I ran a little school and I remember she said to me, these children are exhausting, I don't know how you do it,’ Barnett went on.

‘I was like, you're supposed to be a child yourself. It was like something another mom would say as she dropped her kids off.

‘It's very hard to decipher how old she is because she has such a unique look. But at that time I started to believe she was probably a teenager.

‘But I didn’t have any regrets. This was what I wanted to do. I felt overwhelming love for her.’

Barnett says she soon began finding bloody clothing in the trash suggesting Natalia was having her period and trying to conceal the evidence.

She sought out the help of her family physician who ordered bone density tests to establish Natalia's age.

When the results suggested the little girl was indeed at least 14 or older, Barnett says she switched the princess outfits and pink dresses for more appropriate clothes.

But as questions swirled around her age and true identity, Natalia's behavior begun to deteriorate.

Mother claims Ukrainian adopted daughter, 9, was 22 and had dwarfism | Daily Mail Online

So she admits to keeping the kid after starting to believe she was a teen already. She kept her after a bone scan, according to her, indicated the child was 14.

But then her behavior started deteriorating. And then they decided to get rid of her. Magically, the kid at that very time aged 6 to 8 years from the time of the supposed home scan indicating she was @14, until the age change petition.

Interesting.

This stinks to high heaven.

Yes this is what I don't understand. She seems older than 6/8, maybe a young teenager, but how does that all of the sudden jump up to 22 years old? What was the motivation? It had to be so they could "legally" be done with her instead of "failing" at adoption, which would have reflected poorly on KB and her career as a superhero. MOO.

 

[kaen]

I'm bumping this because it describes what was in the Barrett's petition for an age change: Her social worker and her doctor (who in assuming was the guy who wrote the letter in 2016), both "believed" she was an adult.

Behavior and physical characteristics made the Barrett's believe she was an adult.

She posed a danger to the Barrett's.

She could get access to services with the age change.

That's the evidence described.

BBM. She could have gotten services as a juvenile as well. This is why this whole thing keeps making me go back to untruths by the Barnetts. It makes no sense to say she could get access to services with an age change but it is true that as an adult she would have access to an adult diagnosis that would fit what they wanted it to fit.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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Are you implying that the Mann family is taking advantage of this child? I have not read that information anywhere or even seen any indication that the Mann family is in this for the money. They are a family who has supported this person (whether you believe she is a teen or 20 something) for the last number of years. They have clearly showed her love and affection. She has become a part of their family. So, IMO, it is unfair to even hint at the idea that they are doing what they are doing for the money.

I understand your position on Natalia being an adult and having issues. But, if she is doing better in the care of a family, whether she is younger or older, we should all celebrate that she seems to be on a good path and encourage her and them to keep doing what they are doing. She is not in jail. She has not harmed anyone. She is living her life.

I’m thrilled she seems to be doing well with the Mann’s and hasn’t killed or maimed anyone. Is that because they enable her charade? Perhaps.
And to answer your more direct question, yes, I did imply the Mann’s could very well be taking advantage of this child. They seem to collect children. They certainly wasted no time in getting their hands on Natalia’s SSI.

I’m aware of lots of people that collect children from disrupted adoptions or adopt a herd from foster care for the subsidy. As an example, California “special needs” children often come with a tax free subsidy of $1200 to $1800 a month ...per child. “Special Needs” can be a sibling group or a child from a minority group.
Do you remember those two lesbians that adopted a bunch of kids from foster care and drove over a cliff? They, IMO ...were collectors.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

No. Because the Barrett's contested it on the grounds that Natalia was a minor so no guardianship was needed. If the courts had been approaching it as a guardianship of an adult there would be no need for the Barrett's to contest it at all, let alone on en grounds that the child was actually not a minor.

Also, the paperwork is simply different. The courts aren't going to just treat a case differently from how it's filed. They'd have to re-file.

Yes, you are correct, I went back and re-read some of the articles; as I understand it, they requested that the court consider changing her date of birth back from 1989 to 2003, and when they were denied, the petition was withdrawn.
EXCLUSIVE: Ukrainian dwarf adopted by American couple who claim she was 'an adult sociopath masquerading as a child' is now living in Indiana with a new devout Christian family of five who believe she was abandoned by them[/QUOTE]

 

[Gussified]

Yes this is what I don't understand. She seems older than 6/8, maybe a young teenager, but how does that all of the sudden jump up to 22 years old? What was the motivation? It had to be so they could "legally" be done with her instead of "failing" at adoption, which would have reflected poorly on KB and her career as a superhero. MOO.

My impression is that they were trying to get her mental health treatment. The mental health people said N admitted to being much older, and that her condition was consistent with something that is only diagnosed in adults. And the only way to get the proper treatment was if she was an adult. So they changed her age so that she could get the treatment the mental health professionals said she needed.

I’ll have to find the links to support it, but I’m sure that’s all based on statements by Mr & Mrs Barnett.

 

[Linda7NJ]

When exactly did they leave her?

Also, really? This woman was “optimistic” that an adult who had to be hospitalized several times and had tried to kill her and her family on multiple occasions (according to her) is suddenly totally self sufficient and sane?

According to Mrs Barnett- Natalia has wrap around services including a therapist.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

My impression is that they were trying to get her mental health treatment. The mental health people said N admitted to being much older, and that her condition was consistent with something that is only diagnosed in adults. And the only way to get the proper treatment was if she was an adult. So they changed her age so that she could get the treatment the mental health professionals said she needed.

I’ll have to find the links to support it, but I’m sure that’s all based on statements by Mr & Mrs Barnett.

Ok. Or it could be that the mental health professionals were incorrect in their diagnosis, and she was suffering from something that a young teenager/preteen who had been through an extremely traumatic life, such as RAD or ODD, would be suffering. MOO.

 

[gitana1]

I’m thrilled she seems to be doing well with the Mann’s and hasn’t killed or maimed anyone. Is that because they enable her charade? Perhaps.
And to answer your more direct question, yes, I did imply the Mann’s could very well be taking advantage of this child. They seem to collect children. They certainly wasted no time in getting their hands on Natalia’s SSI.

I’m aware of lots of people that collect children from disrupted adoptions or adopt a herd from foster care for the subsidy. As an example, California “special needs” children often come with a tax free subsidy of $1200 to $1800 a month ...per child. “Special Needs” can be a sibling group or a child from a minority group.
Do you remember those two lesbians that adopted a bunch of kids from foster care and drove over a cliff? They, IMO ...were collectors.

Please provide a link indicating the Manns collect children and wasted no time getting their hands on Natalia's money.

 

[gitana1]

My impression is that they were trying to get her mental health treatment. The mental health people said N admitted to being much older, and that her condition was consistent with something that is only diagnosed in adults. And the only way to get the proper treatment was if she was an adult. So they changed her age so that she could get the treatment the mental health professionals said she needed.

I’ll have to find the links to support it, but I’m sure that’s all based on statements by Mr & Mrs Barnett.

Yes. But the item about her mental health diagnosis is totally misleading. The age indicates the diagnosis (whether reactive attachment disorder, OPP or conduct disorder versus anti-social personality disorder). The diagnosis does not indicate the age.

They're trying to imply, as did their doctor, that the diagnosis indicated her age. That's bull.

 

[gitana1]

According to Mrs Barnett- Natalia has wrap around services including a therapist.

And that's enough to enable a severely mentally ill psychopath who smeared bodily fluids on walls to live independently?

Give me a break.

 

[kaen]

If you go through Mr. Barnett's FB photos, there is not one picture of this child (photos go back to 2009 at least). There are a plethora of family photos, other children photos, and trip photos (pumpkin patch in 2011, NYC trips, book tours). It is really rather distressing to realize that she was never really a part of this family in any way but name--of course, in my opinion.