IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #10

[SmoothOperator]

Re: posts stating how absurd or illogical it is that many of us our still discussing JW and his possible involvement..

Very simply with LE unable to clear JW and still
Have him as a POI just yesterday stating "THEY HAVE NOT NARROWED THEIR FOCUS" .. those are the logical and sensible reasons that many of us will continue discussing JW 's possible involvement..

If and when LE decide he is no longer a POI at that time discussions will move into a different direction..

Easy-Peasy to explain..

 

[jjenny]

I don't think LE lies, but they intentionally keep things up their sleeves. I would wager that the single most compelling bit of information that LE has gathered so far is still known only to them.

If LE actually had compelling info in this case, I'd guess they would have a suspect by now. And they don't.

 

[cluciano63]

I totally believe LE in that their last confirmable sighting of Lauren is at 2:51AM and agree that they have no reason to lie about that. They would love to be able to confirm a sighting later on and have it be backed up with video-what LE wouldn't? That might be what they need to get search warrants, for example, on a specific person, if they have someone who won't let them search on a voluntary basis.

I do wish we had a lawyer here, to tell us what LE will need to get warrants for all of the phones and devices used on this fateful night...I believe in rights, and all that, but sometimes wish Lauren's rights were more important...

 

[elmomom]

I have the feeling I should delete my JW related post... I didnt know the WS community could be so accusatory. The way that I'm choosing to look at this case atm is through who was last seen and known to be with LS... JR, MB, CR etc. Forgive me for making it seem like I'm some JW supporter, I don't support anybody but LS and her family.

Actually it wasn't even your post that changed the mood around here. I think it was someone else who called those of us suspicious of JW foolish or some other somewhat demeaning term. And then there was a sudden flood of "he's such a great guy, poor JW" posts. It happened yesterday, all at once as well. I truly believe no one here believes he is guilty. I don't. I just don't believe he's innocent either. It is still in play. We just do not know and this is a place to hash out evidence. So far in this case, we have been told by the family that none of LS's friends, with a single exception, has volunteered to step up. Now tell me again why I should believe JW's alibi that I have only heard through the grapevine? Because this crowd of immature kids is forthright and honest? Because my source in the case (the grapevine) is so reliable?

 

[ingra1327]

I have the feeling I should delete my JW related post... I didnt know the WS community could be so accusatory. The way that I'm choosing to look at this case atm is through who was last seen and known to be with LS... JR, MB, CR etc. Forgive me for making it seem like I'm some JW supporter, I don't support anybody but LS and her family.

Your opinions is just as valid as anyone else's. Thanks for posting and I hope you continue to do so.
JW is not at the top of my list of suspects, but I just can't come close to ruling him out because 1) he's the boyfriend and 2)the circumstances that night with Lauren and the other boys could cause extreme jealousy.

 

[dodie20]

Ah, but where you see "concerned and caring" I see "jealous and controlling". Differing POV.

Actually the fact that the parents (and the police) were notified so soon has always seemed odd to me.

Think about it, at that point in time (2-3 pm June 3rd) LS had been missing for less than 24 hours. Her roommate last saw her at 12:30 am that same day.

Putting myself back in my 20-year old shoes, I have to ask myself "Who does that?"

well to be fair, maybe during the time that he was trying to find her, he started hearing things that set off an internal alarm...like the fight, all the different guys involved, how she'd been sent out on the streets alone, with no phone. If he heard this stuff and still couldn't find her, he'd be worried enough to go to the police...especially if some of the witnesses were giving him evasive answers. But I don't know what he heard or when he heard it. A lot of my opinion is based around the time that he heard about the fight...but even if he heard about it that night, it doesn't necessarily mean that he went looking for them. Some people in that situation might say, 'I'm done', but after sleeping on it, have a change of heart. The evidence we see doesn't point to the bf, but I can understand why some people interpret motive. MOO

 

[bx2]

Pretty useful set of photos that I hadn't seen posted before-

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/pages/spierer_where

Menu on the right lets you quickly jump from place to place, zoom in and out, and "look" left and right.

 

[Glaucon]

For the sake of conversation, what would an innocent POI do? How would he act? Speaking for myself in this situation ...

- As soon as I heard LS was missing (or that I was a POI) I would contact (call) the police, if they hadn't called me already.
- I would tell them, "I want to cooperate fully, and I will tell you everything I can. I'm going to get a lawyer and be back to you ASAP".
- Then I would do just that, grab the first credible defense attorney I could find, tell him/her everything I knew, listen to their advice on dealing with police, and then march (with the attorney) right down to the police station.
- I would ask to talk to her parents ASAP. I would be able to look everyone in the eye.
- Volunteer to help with the search in any way possible.
- Submit DNA if asked, as well as my phone, car, whatever.
- I would stay in Bton and make myself available (w/ attorney) to LE for further questioning. I would tell them everything about LS I knew.
- I would probably contact LE as much as my attorney let me asking for updates or progress.
- They'd have to chain me to a radiator to keep me from singing my innocence from the rooftops and asking for tips from the public.

That's just me. Maybe everyone wouldn't do this stuff, but innocent people tend to act a certain way, don't they?

 

[coltsgal]

A week or so ago, I let you guys know that my boss' daughter was walking in the alley about 30 minutes prior to Lauren. She had reported it to the PD because although she didn't see Lauren or notice anything strange, she felt that it was important to tell that to the police.

The original call, the PD had her on the phone for over an hour asking several routine questions.

My boss told me today that they have called her twice since then to ask additional questions.

So even though we dont hear about all of the work that LE is doing on this case, they are apparently taking everything very seriously and are investigating everything thoroughly....otherwise they wouldn't have called her twice after she has already told them she didn't see anything.

I didn't talk to her personally, so I dont know what kind of questions they asked her. I'm FB friends with her, so I might pry a bit by sending her a message.

I wonder what kind of questions they are asking her when they call her. Perhaps trying to verify the "witnesses" statement? Maybe they had asked her if she saw the white truck?

I guess even though she didn't see Lauren in the alley, she could still have some information that may be helpful to the PD.

 

[cluciano63]

We had plenty of posters a week ago tonight who were positive that the driver of the white truck was the culprit...and refused to believe that her "friends" knew any more than they were saying. That proved untrue. That's fine, all opinions are welcome here, but we are not suppposed to single out other posters in our responses, FYI...

 

[epiphany]

This is so ridiculous. I dont understand why anyone would imply that JW may be involved, when there is nothing to suggest so. There is no documented link between him and LS that night, and the only thing we know is that he alerted the parents of LS next day that she was missing and looked for her. I understand that this is just an opinion board and one could have theories, but they should have some logical basis.

Personally, I don't think JW is involved in L's disappearance.

However, LE did identify JW as a POI, and that is a logical basis for other posters' speculation that he may indeed have involvement in L's disappearance.

 

[AbbeyR]

This is so ridiculous. I dont understand why anyone would imply that JW may be involved, when there is nothing to suggest so. There is no documented link between him and LS that night, and the only thing we know is that he alerted the parents of LS next day that she was missing and looked for her. I understand that this is just an opinion board and one could have theories, but they should have some logical basis.

Dismissing other people's posts as "ridiculous" and "silly" is likely to get people's hackles up. I think what many of the responses were trying to point out was that having someone named a POI is the logical basis of asking questions at this point, regardless of whether there are other competing theories.

Edited to add: oops, epiphany and I posted almost identical answers at the same time

 

[cluciano63]

For the sake of conversation, what would an innocent POI do? How would he act? Speaking for myself in this situation ...

- As soon as I heard LS was missing (or that I was a POI) I would contact (call) the police, if they hadn't called me already.
- I would tell them, "I want to cooperate fully, and I will tell you everything I can. I'm going to get a lawyer and be back to you ASAP".
- Then I would do just that, grab the first credible defense attorney I could find, tell him/her everything I knew, listen to their advice on dealing with police, and then march (with the attorney) right down to the police station.
- I would ask to talk to her parents ASAP. I would be able to look everyone in the eye.
- Volunteer to help with the search in any way possible.
- Submit DNA if asked, as well as my phone, car, whatever.
- I would stay in Bton and make myself available (w/ attorney) to LE for further questioning. I would tell them everything about LS I knew.
- I would probably contact LE as much as my attorney let me asking for updates or progress.
- They'd have to chain me to a radiator to keep me from singing my innocence from the rooftops and asking for tips from the public.

That's just me. Maybe everyone wouldn't do this stuff, but innocent people tend to act a certain way, don't they?

I want to do all these things and I've never even been near Indiana...I just want to help these parents find their girl and bury her, if necessary

 

[bessie]

Knock it off! We are all entitled to our opinions here. So stop bashing others whose opinions differ from your own.

If you choose to challenge an opinion, then be prepared to come up with a link to facts that disprove it.

 

[Kimster]

This case has had WAY too much bickering among the members lately. It needs to end now. If you have a problem with someone else's post because they are being snarky to others, use the alert feature. That is the little red triangle on the top right of each post.

If you don't like someone else's point of view, you can use the ignore feature. That can be found on your UserCP panel on the right side, where the avatar and signature changes are made. It's really easy to use, just don't say that you're using it because that's a TOS violation.

Read this: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91915"]Best Practices Dealing with your fellow posters - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Please thank this post so I know you've read it. This thread will reopen soon.

 

[bessie]

The thread is open again for posting. I trust everyone will do their best to keep it open.

 

[Jessicaleanne1992]

what's with all the initials?? i have no idea who people are talking about, it gets very confusing...

i think about lauren often. i pray for her and her family and that she comes home safe. the situation is so grim looking.

 

[Blythe]

So what next? What is going to become of this case?

 

[coltsgal]

what's with all the initials?? i have no idea who people are talking about, it gets very confusing...

i think about lauren often. i pray for her and her family and that she comes home safe. the situation is so grim looking.

I agree that it's confusing, but I know there are reasons that initials are used rather than the names.

Perhaps when Bessie makes new threads and recaps everything in the first post, she can include a reference to all of the initials and who they stand for.

In the meantime, please use this news article I found, the Who's Who of the Lauren spierer case:

http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=81901

 

[Glaucon]

So what next? What is going to become of this case?

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