IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #28

[VeryVeritas]

I am wondering if LE ever did luminol tests in the apartments of the POIs where LS reportedly was before she disappeared.

For some reason the whole focus in this case has been on the her medical history of long QT syndrome. However, there are several other possibilities and if someone thinks slightly outside the prevailing theory (death because of QT syndrome associated with excessive drugs/alcohol), other real possibilities exist.

I would think that to have a thorough and complete investigation, luminol tests should be performed in the places in 5 North and possibly the cars of the POIs.

Personally, I never believed the story that she "walked alone in the middle of the night". So, if there are doubts on whether those accounts were true, all possibilities should be considered, including luminol tests. Why not?

It would be irresponsible if they didn't. However, if you could make a person/body disappear, maybe you also would know how to clean up blood?
Couldn't imagine coming back more than a year later to check for blood, but sure why not.

 

[British]

It would be irresponsible if they didn't. However, if you could make a person/body disappear, maybe you also would know how to clean up blood?
Couldn't imagine coming back more than a year later to check for blood, but sure why not.

For some reason I dont think luminol tests were ever done. At least it was not in the news. They can be done at any time as the evidence never really goes away.

Although someone can clean blood to the point that nothing is visible, luminol can detect its presence by a chemical reaction. If someone tries very hard to clean blood using bleach, etc., the luminol becomes inconclusive, but one can see then evidence of extensive clean up. I would not be surprised if the Bloomington police never did luminol tests. In fact, I think they did not. But that is just a guess. If they have not done it, it can still be done. It can be positive even many years later.

 

[AbbeyR]

This brings up a plausible support for MB's Lawyer suggesting that LS wanted to keep partying.

I've never believed that part of MB's story. Or rather, that version of MB's story.

And, if MB had nothing to do with anything, and was simply writing his papers all night, why not take an FBI polygraph? DR, who has the same attorney did!

(Yeah, I know, I'm repeating myself. But I think it's an important thing to note..)

 

[Jacobite]

I'd bet that no one has used this method to search. Some swear it really works. Recently, a plumber used it to find pinhole size leak in a buried water main and he found the spot.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cemetery/messages/5118.html

http://www.northfortynews.com/Archive/A200402photoDowsing.htm

 

[imkeylime]

I've never believed that part of MB's story. Or rather, that version of MB's story.

And, if MB had nothing to do with anything, and was simply writing his papers all night, why not take an FBI polygraph? DR, who has the same attorney did!

(Yeah, I know, I'm repeating myself. But I think it's an important thing to note..)

I agree that it's an important distinction. IMO, it suggests that there was a "turning point" in the night that the other POIs don't want to talk about.

 

[Jacobite]

There have been no searches in a long time. I did not come here to PLAY footsie or sit and spin. We must find her or no one will talk. SO, I WAS WONDERING, WHO IS WILLING TO GO TO INDIANA AND HELP LOOK?

 

[Btown]

There have been no searches in a long time. I did not come here to PLAY footsie or sit and spin. We must find her or no one will talk. SO, I WAS WONDERING, WHO IS WILLING TO GO TO INDIANA AND HELP LOOK?

More than one of us on this forum live and work in downtown Bloomington In.

Use us as a resource whether you come here or not.

 

[Jacobite]

Agreed. You have done a great deal of work.

 

[Jacobite]

This method of search may seem strange. But, LE is actually using it. Might be worth a shot. http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/bigT/Dowsing.html

 

[masootz]

This method of search may seem strange. But, LE is actually using it. Might be worth a shot. http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/bigT/Dowsing.html

seriously?

 

[Jacobite]

seriously?

Seriously, Bill Tolhurst, Chief of Special Forces from the Niagara County, NY, Sheriff's Department wrote that report. Many of you must think these officers have been drinking heavily to think dowsing can find missing people.

And, Chief Bill Tolhurst is one of the pioneers with bloodhounds too. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=176770

 

[British]

There have been no searches in a long time. I did not come here to PLAY footsie or sit and spin. We must find her or no one will talk. SO, I WAS WONDERING, WHO IS WILLING TO GO TO INDIANA AND HELP LOOK?

It sounds like an interesting approach. I wish I had time to go to Indiana and help. Unfortunately can not.

Somehow, I believe this case will be solved sooner or later.

 

[masootz]

Seriously, Bill Tolhurst, Chief of Special Forces from the Niagara County, NY, Sheriff's Department wrote that report. Many of you must think these officers have been drinking heavily to think dowsing can find missing people.

And, Chief Bill Tolhurst is one of the pioneers with bloodhounds too. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=176770

i think dowsing is great for finding suckers, useless for anything else.

 

[Jacobite]

Once, I saw a well digger use it to find water and it worked. Then, I saw a man use it to find a septic tank. Recently, I saw a plumber use dowsing to find a pinhole in a buried water main. The last find saved me thousands of dollars.

This is not something that I have done myself.

But, Albert Einstein said it worked for him and he demonstrated with experiments.

William D Tolhurst may have been the greatest of the search and rescue detectives. And, He
is the police officer who devised the method for training police dogs. Bill's credentials for finding the missing were outstanding. So, who am I, to say they were wrong?

http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/bigT/

http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/bigT/Dowsing.html

 

[Jacobite]

Anyone who is interested in this case or finding missing people, should really comb through the links above. You will learn much about dogs and how the missing are found.
I still have hope that this case will be solved and Lauren found.

 

[imkeylime]

Anyone who is interested in this case or finding missing people, should really comb through the links above. You will learn much about dogs and how the missing are found.
I still have hope that this case will be solved and Lauren found.

I'll check out the links. I do have hope that Lauren will be found. I like to think that someone will crack just a little ... and that little crack will lead to something more conclusive. I'm not closed to any method, but a little nudge in one direction or another would be wonderful.

 

[VeryVeritas]

For some reason I dont think luminol tests were ever done. At least it was not in the news. They can be done at any time as the evidence never really goes away.

Although someone can clean blood to the point that nothing is visible, luminol can detect its presence by a chemical reaction. If someone tries very hard to clean blood using bleach, etc., the luminol becomes inconclusive, but one can see then evidence of extensive clean up. I would not be surprised if the Bloomington police never did luminol tests. In fact, I think they did not. But that is just a guess. If they have not done it, it can still be done. It can be positive even many years later.

So LE checked CR's car right away. Knowing what we all know now, checking as many cars that were in that lot as possible would be what i would have done. And in checking his car, they were looking for what? If they don't check for blood (and outside of obvious blood Luminol is the way to do it) what the hell were they checking for? Urine glows under a blacklight without luminol, not sure about vomit.

 

[VeryVeritas]

More than one of us on this forum live and work in downtown Bloomington In.

Use us as a resource whether you come here or not.

You know who SHOULD be leading the search? It's her pals that were last with her. If I was the last person to be with someone who vanished, especially a female friend with ties to my family, I would make it my life's priority to do everything I could to find her and get to the bottom of this. What I would not do is proceed with my life as if Lauren never existed. I would not go into business with other pals who were with her that night and quickly move on with my life.

The place to search is THEIR souls, THEIR conscience, THEIR memories, THEIR every word and action about LS and that night. Comb every fact for every possible crack. Go over it all again and again, backwards, forwards, sideways. Verify every statement, every fact. When they have better things to do, it smells like rodent!

 

[VeryVeritas]

I agree that it's an important distinction. IMO, it suggests that there was a "turning point" in the night that the other POIs don't want to talk about.

That's a good derivation of over 1 year of hashing what is known.

Where do you place the "Turning Point"?
These are the most likely junctures from my vantage:

1) Right after the face down fall upon exiting the alley (about 3:00 am)
LS is comatose and never is revived from this point forward, expires shortly afterward. CR does something and eventually involves MB. MB then calls JR. JR then later calls DR and person "Y".
2) at 5N at about 3:30
LS arrives at CR/MB's sometime after 3:00 and rotates between coma and apparent alertness and then expires. JR is called, then later as part of clean up DR and person "Y" are called.
3) at 5N at about 4:15
Either after slipping into coma during #2 or appearing alert, but still alive, LS winds up at JR's only to then expire. DR and Person "Y" are called.

A variation on any of these time junctures is that LS is escorted to a yet unknown apt/location or via vehicle enroute home or to hospital in attempts to revive her only to expire. Yet, in any case it seems most probable that expired or not she was eventually placed in a vehicle and removed. My feeling is that this happened sooner, rather than later.

Are there any clues that seem to favor one of these junctures over another? The inconsistency between MB's and JR's depiction of Lauren compared to camera and witness observation, to me, illuminates the "Turning Point". Since the described inconsistency starts with MB, I place 66% on #1, 25% on #2, and 9% on #3.

 

[VeryVeritas]

I wonder if LE asked CR to produce his clothing (as it was captured on camera) from that night.