IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #30

[Jupiter812]

This makes me wonder how much concern MB expressed about LS' well-being and safety. Was he the passive one of the three (or two, if CR was indeed passed out). Could he have suggested 911 but been shot down for some reason by JR (and/or CR), i.e., was there a reason beyond that JR knew LS better than MB did for him taking her to JR's?

Realistically, it could be that he knew what she drank/did at JR's and suspected that CR was trying to get her more intoxicated for personal reasons. I guess I'm wondering if, ultimately, MB chose to protect JR and CR at that point. I wonder if he's nearing the point where he wants to protect himself. ???

With this group of kids and how hard they party, I wonder what it would take for one of them to call 911. I think something along the lines of convulsions and of course, even then they might not as we've seen in other cases.

I think MB is at the point where he's protecting himself but does this mean he will forsake Lauren to prevent blow back from CR and/or JR? I hope not.

 

[elmorejames]

Obviously I find it very possible, haha. I'm starting to believe it more and more for some reason.

I realize you are new to the discussion but I personally think the "haha" was distasteful! I personally appreciate your commentary and appreciate your opinions, but just needed to add my opinion.

 

[elmorejames]

If Lauren had been buried in the construction of the nearby buildings, wouldn't the dogs have been able to scent the body? I thought dogs could pick up the scent through water, cement, underground, etc.?

They definitely have equipment to detect not only a body but also a "mass" within and under concrete.

One would think, that's why they never looked under the Meadowlands for Jimmy Hoffa, but they've dug up plenty of grass for 30 odd years. I can't imagine the amount of money used to find him even though he'd have past from natural causes at best 15 years ago minimum.

 

[imkeylime]

They definitely have equipment to detect not only a body but also a "mass" within and under concrete.

One would think, that's why they never looked under the Meadowlands for Jimmy Hoffa, but they've dug up plenty of grass for 30 odd years. I can't imagine the amount of money used to find him even though he'd have past from natural causes at best 15 years ago minimum.

A bit OT, but I have to share: The last place they dug for Jimmy was 1/4 mile from where I grew up and still visit. I couldn't believe it! There was an old farmhouse and barn there that we drove by all the time. Personally, I don't think he'll ever be found.

 

[Ashley426]

I realize you are new to the discussion but I personally think the "haha" was distasteful! I personally appreciate your commentary and appreciate your opinions, but just needed to add my opinion.

I didn't mean to be taken out of context. I find no part of this funny, considering I'm less than an hour away and only a year older than LS, this case hits home for me and I take it very seriously. If I'm on my phone and not on my computer, sometimes I use a "haha" as a substitute for a smiley. Basically I was saying "I obviously agree " since I originally posted the idea, I was simply smiling at my responder for acknowledging my idea. An "lol" or "haha" on the Internet can easily be misinterpreted. You misunderstood me.

 

[Ashley426]

If Lauren had been buried in the construction of the nearby buildings, wouldn't the dogs have been able to scent the body? I thought dogs could pick up the scent through water, cement, underground, etc.?

I'm wondering if they've even focused on the surrounding construction. Since they seem to be somewhat focused on the boys and their property, I'm curious if they took any dogs through the recent construction and poured concrete.

 

[midwestgirl]

I agree. The construction has stuck out to me since we first learned about it. I hate thinking about that scenario but it'd make sense as to why there's been absolutely no trace or clues of her. It infuriates me! >:O

And yes, the forests are pretty dense in areas. Lake Monroe is ridiculously big. The only forests I've been to multiple times around there are Morgan-Monroe and Brown County and those two open up soooo many spaces for a body to possibly be. The thing that I remember most from Morgan-Monroe State Forest was how scary and dark it was.

I completely agree with you. I just can't fathom how 2-3 drunk frat boys could have hid a body at 4 AM so well that it wouldn't be found by now. I don't think that in the state those guys were in they would have been coherent enough to write their own names on a sheet of paper much less come up with a plan to hide a dead body. I just feel like something else happened...

 

[imkeylime]

I completely agree with you. I just can't fathom how 2-3 drunk frat boys could have hid a body at 4 AM so well that it wouldn't be found by now. I don't think that in the state those guys were in they would have been coherent enough to write their own names on a sheet of paper much less come up with a plan to hide a dead body. I just feel like something else happened...

Or they had high-priced help a phone call away? I'm sure their bank accounts were examined? These boys may have a way to get help fast. Even that is a long-shot, I admit.

BTW, speaking of help ... my trusty computer just died. I'm currently borrowing my daughter's ... not sure how well that's going to go over, LOL. I may be MIA for a day or so, but I'll try to check in while looking for a new one.

 

[AbbeyR]

I completely agree with you. I just can't fathom how 2-3 drunk frat boys could have hid a body at 4 AM so well that it wouldn't be found by now. I don't think that in the state those guys were in they would have been coherent enough to write their own names on a sheet of paper much less come up with a plan to hide a dead body. I just feel like something else happened...

No one has really ever said how messed up the guys at 5 N were. MB's lawyer said he was sober, and CR was at least with it enough to carry Lauren from Smallwood back to his place and to tell the witness things were under control. The other witnesses also describe being concerned about Lauren, describing her as totally intoxicated, incapacitated, etc. but CR only as acting 'aggressively', implying they were concerned about him taking advantage of her. I don't doubt that everyone may have partied that night, but there's no evidence that anyone else was in the condition Lauren was in and it sounds to me like CR brought her to the bar and bought her drinks with the intention of getting her that way.

My first thought was also that seems crazy that they (or anyone) could hide a person so well they would not be found. But two years of reading this site has taught me that this happens all the time. Sadly, there are a lot of missing people who have never been found. In the other case in Indiana that was just mentioned, for example, LE knew where Molly Datillo was when she was last seen and who she was with, but they haven't been able to find her.

If we knew for sure that no one left 5 N by car after 3 am that morning, I would have a much harder time believing they were involved. But if that could be established, I think they would have been cleared pretty quickly.

 

[kimbella]

I would think that a girl dying in your apartment would sober anyone up pretty quickly. (If that's what happened.)

It could also be possible that they were trying to take her to the hospital (to drop her off) and she passed away on the way there.

There are so many heavily wooded areas and Lake Monroe all within a 30 minute drive or less.

Drive down a main highway, turn off on a deserted country road, drive a few miles down the country road, pull over, walk 50 yards into the woods, dump a body. Those forests always have a layer of leaves on the ground. Brush the leaves out of the way and then cover the body with them. (Much like the areas where Katelyn Markham or Kate McGrayel were found, though I know Kate's death isn't suspicious.)

A person could be back to campus within an hour.

Also, there are some wooded medians north on 37. My bil has observed that a wooded interstate median would be the perfect place to dump a body. No one ever walks there, they aren't mowed, etc. (He's not a psychopath!)

IF JR had out of town guests, he could have borrowed one of their cars, possibly without them even knowing it. They would leave the next morning to go home, and their cars would never be searched/sniffed.

I do wonder how many and who those ootg were, and if LE has questioned any of them. Surely LE would have asked at least for their names, as they could have alibis for JR

 

[curioser]

I'm mostly a lurker here, but did anyone else catch this part from JR's sstatement?

Spierer left the Rosenbaum residence with Defendant Corey E. Rossman (“Rossman&#8221 and went to Rossman's residence located in the same complex. (Complaint, ¶ 14). An hour later, Rossman and Spierer went to Kilroy's Sports Bar ("Kilroy's"), located three blocks from Rossman's residence.

BBM.

Is this the first time we've heard that just LS and CR left JR's? And that they spent an hour at CR's place before going to Kilroy's? Was MB home or still at JR's?

 

[monkey222]

For some reason I was under impression that LS and CR were at JRs for the hour, and watching playoffs (which were tape-delayed). I didn't think LS was at CRs for an hour before going to Kilroys.

 

[AbbeyR]

Yes, curiouser, I noticed that too. I had assumed they had just stopped there on the way.

You know what else is really bugging me? The recent story that MB was actually at JR's when CR and Lauren came home too. Plus the added strange detail that he thought there was someone breaking into the house

Why was the part of the story where Lauren was alone with CR omitted in the first place?

Why did the original story jump from JR's to Kilroys (with no mention of JR being there)?

And how did MB's story go from: CR and LS got home, he put CR to bed and Lauren said she wanted to party and went to JR's (no mention of MB going there) to the opposite: MB got home, and CR and Lauren were there, then he took Lauren to JR's? What possible reason could there be for obscuring this info in the beginning.

And: Why would he think someone had broken in if CR wasn't with him? What made him believe something was wrong or unusual? I can't figure this one out at all. It gives me the chills.

There are just way too many strange and sketchy details about the POI's stories -- I can't make sense of them, even if I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[AbbeyR]

14. "Spierer left the Rosenbaum party with Rossman and a mutual friend and went to Rossman's residence in the same complex, and Rosenbaum and others later stopped by Rossman's residence."

16. [MB was both at JR's and at his apartment with them before Kilroy's]

17 -18. [MB saw Lauren was already extremely intoxicated and CR was trying to get her to go to kilroy's to drink more]

18. Approximately one hour after attending the Rosenbaum party, Rossman escorted Spierer from his residence to Kilroy's

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2013/06/27/complaint-filed-on-behalf-lauren-spierer-family/

 

[curioser]

14. "Spierer left the Rosenbaum party with Rossman and a mutual friend and went to Rossman's residence in the same complex, and Rosenbaum and others later stopped by Rossman's residence."

16. [MB was both at JR's and at his apartment with them before Kilroy's]

17 -18. [MB saw Lauren was already extremely intoxicated and CR was trying to get her to go to kilroy's to drink more]

18. Approximately one hour after attending the Rosenbaum party, Rossman escorted Spierer from his residence to Kilroy's

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2013/06/27/complaint-filed-on-behalf-lauren-spierer-family/

Thanks. I guess I had understood it that they left JR's, stopped by CR's for a short time (just for a minute), and proceeded to Kilroy's.

But really- if LS didn't go to JR's until after midnight, she wasn't actually there too long. She spent an hour at CR's, then went to Kilroy's at 1:30. Was the mutual friend there for that hour or not?

Also- this indicates that MB came home from JR's at 1:30, (observed CR encouraging LS to go to Kilroy's). Then he went back to JR's (or somewhere else...?) and returned home again around 3:30, after LS and CR got there. Wildly different from the initial story of him home studying...

 

[AbbeyR]

Thanks. I guess I had understood it that they left JR's, stopped by CR's for a short time (just for a minute), and proceeded to Kilroy's.

But really- if LS didn't go to JR's until after midnight, she wasn't actually there too long. She spent an hour at CR's, then went to Kilroy's at 1:30. Was the mutual friend there for that hour or not?

Also- this indicates that MB came home from JR's at 1:30, (observed CR encouraging LS to go to Kilroy's). Then he went back to JR's (or somewhere else...?) and returned home again around 3:30, after LS and CR got there. Wildly different from the initial story of him home studying...

Right. So, going from there -- MB is at JR's, goes home at 3:30 (which happens to be around the same time CR and LS get back) but implies he doesn't know this, because he thinks there are burglars in the house.

Then the phone call to JR was around 3:30 too right? So he gets home, discovers that the 'burglars' are CR and LS, but immediately "puts CR to bed", calls JR and then brings Lauren over to his place? :waitasec:

...I'd be interested to know how and why the burglar part fit in to MB's story and the Spierers'/PI's version of events. It's an unusual detail and if it were as simple as having one of those moments where you get home and hear something and then realize 'oh, there's someone home', why would it even be worth mentioning? I'm wondering if it's possible that someone witnessed MB freaking out about something, rushing home, or possibly got a phone call or text that there was an emergency or something concerning... If so, did he tell people he was scared of burglars at the time, or was this the explanation after?

 

[threepisces]

Thanks. I guess I had understood it that they left JR's, stopped by CR's for a short time (just for a minute), and proceeded to Kilroy's.

But really- if LS didn't go to JR's until after midnight, she wasn't actually there too long. She spent an hour at CR's, then went to Kilroy's at 1:30. Was the mutual friend there for that hour or not?

Also- this indicates that MB came home from JR's at 1:30, (observed CR encouraging LS to go to Kilroy's). Then he went back to JR's (or somewhere else...?) and returned home again around 3:30, after LS and CR got there. Wildly different from the initial story of him home studying...

And that story of him staying home to write a paper came from his attorney, not random speculation. The witness/neighbor account is also way off as well.

Beth’s attorney, Ron Chapman (who also represents Rohn), tells IM that Beth, an IU student, stayed in all night to work on papers due that day. Chapman also confirms that Rossman was with Spierer when she came to the apartment, and that Beth helped Rossman into bed. Valerie Sokolova, a neighbor, tells IM that Beth has said he went upstairs and, when he returned, Spierer was gone. “That was the last time Mike and Corey saw her,” says Sokolova.

http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/story.aspx?ID=1712477

 

[Ixchel13]

Right. So, going from there -- MB is at JR's, goes home at 3:30 (which happens to be around the same time CR and LS get back) but implies he doesn't know this, because he thinks there are burglars in the house.

Then the phone call to JR was around 3:30 too right? So he gets home, discovers that the 'burglars' are CR and LS, but immediately "puts CR to bed", calls JR and then brings Lauren over to his place? :waitasec:

...I'd be interested to know how and why the burglar part fit in to MB's story and the Spierers'/PI's version of events. It's an unusual detail and if it were as simple as having one of those moments where you get home and hear something and then realize 'oh, there's someone home', why would it even be worth mentioning? I'm wondering if it's possible that someone witnessed MB freaking out about something, rushing home, or possibly got a phone call or text that there was an emergency or something concerning... If so, did he tell people he was scared of burglars at the time, or was this the explanation after?

Maybe he didn't know about the altercation, and had prior knowledge that CR
was going to stay at SW.

Burglars? or people in his stash? There is no reason to put MB on a pedestal.
It's probably safe to say there isn't a goody-goody in the entire spectrum of people involved that night.

Closer to the truth might be he had a paper due, but partied all night instead of doing it. So his stash is put away, while he flits around nipping at everyone else's using the old just for a minute routine then back to my "paper."

Expecting them to be gone but here they are again. IDK could be MB and JR in this and CR freaking out and just won't recall what he may think.

whatever happened, IMO, they've got a local involved in there somehow.

 

[CanManEh]

Hey just read on some investigator's website that the spiers are suing the boys last with her . I don't think it will do any good as far as a charge or them being even found guilty or liable but i do think it's a good idea because who knows what kind of information they may get hopefully it leads to some break in the case..

 

[Dixie811]

To me, MB assuming that CR/LS were burglars implies that he did not expect CR home that night at all.

Weird.