IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #30

[Jacobite]

I feel the whole group was envious of Lauren. She had developed world class connections with people whom the rest of them couldn't even dream of meeting. Her dream of fashion was about to come to fruition. And, after 3 years of following Jesse wolff, she was planning on going to Italy, Switzerland, or the UK. She was going with the girls and leaving Jesse behind. No crying over boys.

 

[Dixie811]

I just wanted to pop in and make a quick post. I have been reading along and really appreciate everyone's thoughts.

On a unrelated note,
I remember in the past some people (not posters here at WS) have been critical of the Spierer's for hiring a PI "so soon". I cannot remember now if I have heard such criticism from POI's in this case, or less relevant individuals. I personally have never thought that it was strange for the Spierer's to hire a PI; even immediately. I would.

I recently watched Kyle Fleischmann's segment of Vanished with Beth Holloway and was reminded that Kyle's parents hired a PI before the police even opened an investigation into Kyle's disappearance the following Monday. They, like the Spierer's, were concerned parents who KNEW their child was in danger and were fortunate enough to be able to afford a PI. Why wait?

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would have a reason to be critical of a parent doing everything in their power to find their missing child as soon as humanly possible.

 

[Snapfade]

BTW... Back a few posts I posed this question:


I'd be curious to hear some opinions on this topic. It seems the consensus has been JR would've made the calls to say "We've got a problem (OD) and we need help" but I'm starting to wonder if that's a flaw in the theory even if some or all of 5N are involved in the disappearance.

you ask a very valid question... IF Lauren had met her demise, JR would have to been in a Panic Mode to make those calls and then dispose of body. Even if LS made the calls and then met her demise, the fact that the calls were made would be enough of a deterrent to not dispose of body.

Whoever took Lauren, searched and wondered where her phone was. As matter of fact, I would would think, they would be in a panic mode til they located it. In which ultimatley they didnt. IMO.

 

[Jupiter812]

I also agree that JR would cover for DB.
Ive read that all these kids are from wealthy families, but does anyone know who the wealthiest are from top to bottom. I have no clue if this list is correct, but this has been my preception.

1. DB (much wealthier than rest)
2. JR
3. JW
4.CR
5. LS
6. MB

Please correct list where its wrong. I do believe it makes a difference, when it comes down to who would protect who.

I would guess DB is also the brains of the business which doubles JR's beholden-ness to him.

 

[Jupiter812]

I forgot to share that while reading the article above this morning and thinking about this case generally, I recalled that it was several days before news got out that it was not in fact CR but JR who was the last to see Lauren. Hmmm....:shush:

 

[Kadence]

The triangle would have to be CR, LS, and JW wouldn't it?

Agreed but it's not usually a love triangle unless there's three involved, I thought CR wanted to "hook up"with LS but hadn't yet done so. I'm probably reading too much into the use of the term "love triangle" - but it does seem a strange term to use in the article if there was no evidence of an "affair" between CR and LS. Maybe something happened at the Indy 500 that we aren't privy to?

 

[AbbeyR]

The PIs did state that no messages were left for either call.

We can only guess about why they were made, but my thoughts are that they really were looking for someone to pick up Lauren at that point (this implies she couldn't call or walk herself, even assisted, which seems to correspond to what we know about her condition), or it's possible she was in bad shape and they wanted to know what she might have taken earlier or ask a friend what they should do.

Another question is why only two unanswered calls? Maybe the medical emergency is what stopped the calls? Or maybe they gave up and left her passed out on the couch at that point and something happened later. I always think about that Griffen Kramer story (the football player whose friends left him alone in a room and continued partying)...

 

[Kadence]

Well this is the first published reference AFAIK to state DB was there. (To the naysayers, told ya so! especially the poster AnalyticalExaminer, I think it was). I still think DB is the wild card in all of this. And yes, I do believe JR might cover for him.

Another first is this bit: "Spierer was carried into her apartment building on Rossman’s back."

Lauren DID NOT make those calls. I'm convinced of it.

I'm convinced as well. I don't believe she was capable or talking or walking. I had a horrible experience in high school with Southern Comfort (no drug involvement) way back in the day and I'm quite certain, had it not been for a friend, who I didn't come to the party with (my friends had left me behind), I would be dead. I couldn't walk or talk, he drove me home and actually carried me into my parent's house. He holds a special place in my life because without him, I wouldn't have mine. Haven't shared that story in "blank" years! I only wish Lauren had someone like my friend on that fateful night...

 

[Jacobite]

I cannot believe that an OD. Is motivation for hiding Lauren and keeping her hid. Bet this is a rape-murder. And using cellular technology, we may find the bad boy.

 

[Jacobite]

How many days went by before LE became aware of JR? DB? These two would be bright enough to turn their cellphones off to avoid a ping trail, if they did it. However, that in itself would be a red flag.

 

[Kadence]

BTW... Back a few posts I posed this question:


I'd be curious to hear some opinions on this topic. It seems the consensus has been JR would've made the calls to say "We've got a problem (OD) and we need help" but I'm starting to wonder if that's a flaw in the theory even if some or all of 5N are involved in the disappearance.

I would think that he wouldn't want to "leave a trail" if he had his wits about him but if a situation quickly turned into something where he/they needed help, or he was blitzed, I don't think he would've thought about "leaving a trail". By placing himself as the last to see Lauren alive, it seems like he's doing one of two things, either telling the truth, or he realized that he had "left a trail" before he realized he did so. I don't know what to think! My mind goes from JR to CR, to JW, to all of them, to a random perp - I'm pretty sure my head is going to explode I am convinced though that Lauren was incoherent and was unable to care for herself.

 

[Kadence]

I cannot believe that an OD. Is motivation for hiding Lauren and keeping her hid. Bet this is a rape-murder. And using cellular technology, we may find the bad boy.

IMHO, if cellular technology found anything, we would have our perp/s by now. I don't know if the technology wasn't accessed quickly enough to make this happen or if someone knew how to manipulate the technology.

I personally think BPD bungled this case and didn't take it seriously. I think they just chalked it up to another drunk college student who was sleeping it off somewhere. I hope things like that don't happen in the future, thanks to Lauren's case, but I fear it will, at all college levels, from the best to the least. I'd be interested to walk the streets of Bloomington at 4:00 a.m. on any given night, I think, sadly, that there has not been much change in who is walking those streets. Btown, not that you're out at 4:00 a.m. (you might be?!) but what do you think? Has there been any change? Anyone else out and about in a college town that can share any 4:00 a.m. or situations you think may have been dangerous to a young college student (males can also be in danger)?

If you can't tell, Lauren's been on my mind more than usual lately...

 

[monkey222]

With all the current news of NSA snooping and recording our calls...is not what we are all discussing re: phone calls..texts..all of it...a wheel spinning exercise, moot point. Should not NSA have recordings of LS, MB, JR phone calls. Period.

 

[Jupiter812]

Agreed but it's not usually a love triangle unless there's three involved, I thought CR wanted to "hook up"with LS but hadn't yet done so. I'm probably reading too much into the use of the term "love triangle" - but it does seem a strange term to use in the article if there was no evidence of an "affair" between CR and LS. Maybe something happened at the Indy 500 that we aren't privy to?

I agree about use of "love triangle" in that it implies more than flirting or more than wanting to be someone. The writer may have used that term liberally (sex sells kind of thing) which would be unfortunate, unprofessional, and unfair.

 

[Ixchel13]

The PIs did state that no messages were left for either call.

We can only guess about why they were made, but my thoughts are that they really were looking for someone to pick up Lauren at that point (this implies she couldn't call or walk herself, even assisted, which seems to correspond to what we know about her condition), or it's possible she was in bad shape and they wanted to know what she might have taken earlier or ask a friend what they should do.

Another question is why only two unanswered calls? Maybe the medical emergency is what stopped the calls? Or maybe they gave up and left her passed out on the couch at that point and something happened later. I always think about that Griffen Kramer story (the football player whose friends left him alone in a room and continued partying)...

BBM LE states that two calls were made, they never really said that only
two calls were made.

 

[Ixchel13]

How many days went by before LE became aware of JR? DB? These two would be bright enough to turn their cellphones off to avoid a ping trail, if they did it. However, that in itself would be a red flag.

good one, after all they own a cell phone company or something like that, right?
But right after they did something would be too late, because as you say, suspicious. But DB might be trying to be clever with the whole Runcible Spoon tweet, he could have been already gone and someone else tweeted that.

 

[Mahouston69]

good one, after all they own a cell phone company or something like that, right?
But right after they did something would be too late, because as you say, suspicious. But DB might be trying to be clever with the whole Runcible Spoon tweet, he could have been already gone and someone else tweeted that.

I will always think it was his way of saying without personally contacting JR~ "It's taken care of, we're good"

 

[Jupiter812]

I will always think it was his way of saying without personally contacting JR~ "It's taken care of, we're good"

Me too, especially because DB was an infrequent tweeter. I read all his tweets when they were public. He tweeted only a handful over many months.

I've always wondered if LE interviewed the servers at the Spoon to verify his presence there. My guess is no. I asked a server once and he said he didn't have knowledge of it; I need to ask a different server who has been there for a long time.

 

[imkeylime]

Glad to see this covered in JR's local news....

RSBM. I arrived in MI Sat. and was so glad to see this. The Oakland Press is a spunky little paper that has helped keep the Oakland County Child Killer case alive for some 35 years. I liked the article.

In terms of DB, any info about his whereabouts the day or so after LS disappeared could be helpful. I also thought the second from the last comment was insightful, in support of why the Spierers are pursuing the case:

"Their daughter was twenty years old, younger than the men with her, who controlled her for at least two hours according to their own statements. She is on video unable to stand and being carried, falling, hitting her head and face according to witnesses, and by Rosenbaum's own account had black eye, no shoes, no phone when he said he tested her competency to walk home alone at 4:30 am."

It's interesting how he wrote that the men "controlled her." I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's so true. CR got her more alcohol and to 5N, MB got her to JR's instead of home, and JR got her where?

 

[Jupiter812]

RSBM. I arrived in MI Sat. and was so glad to see this. The Oakland Press is a spunky little paper that has helped keep the Oakland County Child Killer case alive for some 35 years. I liked the article.

In terms of DB, any info about his whereabouts the day or so after LS disappeared could be helpful. I also thought the second from the last comment was insightful, in support of why the Spierers are pursuing the case:

"Their daughter was twenty years old, younger than the men with her, who controlled her for at least two hours according to their own statements. She is on video unable to stand and being carried, falling, hitting her head and face according to witnesses, and by Rosenbaum's own account had black eye, no shoes, no phone when he said he tested her competency to walk home alone at 4:30 am."

It's interesting how he wrote that the men "controlled her." I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's so true. CR got her more alcohol and to 5N, MB got her to JR's instead of home, and JR got her where?

Thanks for bringing that comment to our attention. It really drives home the importance of looking at their actions and non-actions, not what they purportedly have said to LE and investigators.