Your question was about whether HT was present at the altercation. By all accounts, she was not. The witness stories match up with the accounts from the private investigators, and there is video that has, according to reports, been viewed by scores of people. So, the private investigators and LE obviously know who witnessed the altercation, and who was coming and going from Smallwood. There is no evidence that Lauren went to her apt. after Kilroy's, that she 'wasn't let in' or any indication that her roommates knew what was going on. Had they, my guess is that the night would have ended very differently. We don't even know if Lauren and CR were headed to her apt., back to the friend's apt that she had come from earlier in the night, DR's apt, or somewhere else on that floor -- not that it matters, since they didn't get there anyway.
I have questions about why HT chose to speak for JR to the media, and I wonder whether her intent was to make the story public, on behalf of Lauren, or to defend JR. But even if it's the latter, we know she wasn't with them, so it makes no sense to me that JR or the other POI would tell her anything incriminating anyway. It seems like the opposite - that he used her to get the story that he wanted known to the public out, without having to commit to it by speaking himself or through his lawyer.
Also, worth a reminder:
let's put it this way, then: HT described the night's events, to the media. She had contact with a POI before Lauren was reported missing.She allowed a POI access to Lauren's room before she was reported missing.
She also did more than a little subliminal victim blaming "this time
Lauren just went too far."
we went through this :scores: of people having viewed the video.
that's lots of people viewing a video that LE has said many times
is sequestered for evidence.
let's assume for a second you're right--all these people viewed it.
let's say, and this is total speculation, that a security guard viewed it and
saw Lauren and CR kissing in the hallway. This guard told ZO about it, and bingo, now he has video evidence to back up his "CR being inappropriate" malarkey. With his four friends as his "witnesses", it
wouldn't be hard to beef this story up. Let's see--ZO was criminally trespassing--he was banned from SW and had just committed assault and battery. Would he have a reason to lie about what he had done?
Since you brought up rumors, and what is being said about what was seen at the altercation, it is rumored that while he was down, the other guys gave him a few kicks for good measure.
Not that more than a few people wouldn't like to give him a few kicks, lol.
iirc, the Spierers are bringing up the altercation in their civil suit, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe what some of us here want to know is, was anyone on Lauren'a "side" present at the altercation that
could have possibly helped her? If any of them gave her klonopin, or provided alcohol, wouldn't they also be somewhat required to help her?
Once Lauren left that altercation, everything set in motion and didn't stop until she disappeared. Does anyone else think the altercation shouldn't be divorced from Lauren's outcome?