IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #8

[JeannaT]

:waitasec: I hadn't noticed that either. Why would you specify "15 minutes prior to the fight"?

That makes me curious to know 'what happened 15 minutes before the fight'

Probably a verbal altercation.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Having just recently watched the video with DR recounting the evening, I can say that not only am I convinced he has NO role in this whatsoever, but that it seems highly improbable that anyone would choose to call him in some sort of nefarious crisis. but it's jmho.

is it on a MSM site? Where can we watch the video?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

As a real brain injury sufferer....You really are not able to remember stuff. Twenty years later I am still a little on the "goofy" side.
I am not convinced either way but as someone who had enough to drink to the point of blackout and also someone who lost about a month of my life to brain injury....not totally out of the realm

So true! My dear mom and brother were recently involved in a terrible car accident. My brother was ejected from the car!! Neither of them have any recall before or after the accident. They don't ever remember from which direction they were coming. Scary thought...eek!

MOO

wm

 

[Blythe]

If LS suddenly realized at 4:15 am that she was missing her phone, wouldn't you think that she also realized that she was missing her keys? It makes more sense that if she were going to call anyone, it would be her roommate to make sure she could let her into her apartment. She could deal with her cellphone after she sobered up, IMO. Something about JR's claim about the call is setting off my hinky meter.

"Did I say, "cellphone", I meant "keys"; she was looking for her keys said JR, that's right, her keys, its been a long day. Did i mention I was up until 4:30?"

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Jabberwocky, I totally agree! wm

 

[abstr]

As a real brain injury sufferer....You really are not able to remember stuff. Twenty years later I am still a little on the "goofy" side.
I am not convinced either way but as someone who had enough to drink to the point of blackout and also someone who lost about a month of my life to brain injury....not totally out of the realm

I won't be shocked at either outcome....I just sincerely in life try to look at all sides.
I am just sad that I think no matter the outcome....it won't be good.
My attacker was caught many years later and people thought it would make me whole. While I am glad he is off the streets.....you just can't think of it.....it is all about you as a victim. Just my own thought.
My prayers fior Laurens family

 

[epiphany]

If LS suddenly realized at 4:15 am that she was missing her phone, wouldn't you think that she also realized that she was missing her keys? It makes more sense that if she were going to call anyone, it would be her roommate to make sure she could let her into her apartment. She could deal with her cellphone after she sobered up, IMO. Something about JR's claim about the call is setting off my hinky meter.

And since her keys were missing, too, all the more reason to call HT rather than DR. HT has stated that she knew JR pretty well. HT's number should have been in JR's contact list. IMO, LS didn't make any call to DR from JR's cell. Like the attorney said, "somebody/one" did, though.

 

[Lilcheese]

:waitasec: I hadn't noticed that either. Why would you specify "15 minutes prior to the fight"?

That makes me curious to know 'what happened 15 minutes before the fight'

Probably means, very simply, that CR has no recollection of leaving the bar with LS or going to Smallwood. Liquor caught up with him, the punch knocked his memory for a loop. about 7 years ago I had a car accident that involved a roll over. My memory of the accident is really, really foggy. I can remember the glass breaking, I can remember waking up on the floor, but I don't remember for the life of me where I was headed or how I had gotten there. It is frustrating as all hell.

When you run CRs name in the criminal case database it has his height and weight as of Jan. 2011, he is 6'0 but only 155lbs. This is not a heavyweight by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[elmomom]

Video link (on MSM) with DR recounting his evening with LS


http://www.wsbtradio.com/wsbtradio/...rch-for-missing-coed-20110605,0,3695246.story

 

[Lovejac]

Having just recently watched the video with DR recounting the evening, I can say that not only am I convinced he has NO role in this whatsoever, but that it seems highly improbable that anyone would choose to call him in some sort of nefarious crisis. but it's jmho.

Is there a video of DR speaking about this???

How did I miss it? Do you have a link? I would LOVE to see it.

 

[Blythe]

And since her keys were missing, too, all the more reason to call HT rather than DR. HT has stated that she knew JR pretty well. HT's number should have been in JR's contact list. IMO, LS didn't make any call to DR from JR's cell. Like the attorney said, "somebody/one" did, though.

So why do you say she called DR? And why do you call DR? And why doesn't he answer? .... and I guess there was no voicemail. (I know - voicemail is a tool used by parents not college students..)

 

[abstr]

I, personally, think it's ridiculous to blame the friends UNLESS we know they are hiding evidence or did anything to purposedly hurt Lauren.

I agree....all speculation but no one of my guy friends at college might have walked me home ...but they would nothave taken my life either.
I must me totally naive because I think it was a stranger\

 

[AbbeyR]

:waitasec: I hadn't noticed that either. Why would you specify "15 minutes prior to the fight"?

That makes me curious to know 'what happened 15 minutes before the fight'

Leaving the bar with Lauren? Seeing Lauren get kicked out of the bar or meeting up with her somewhere? Would that work with the timeline?

http://tonygatto.wordpress.com/2011...-was-thrown-out-of-bar-alone-not-with-friend/

 

[curiousgirl2010]

I agree....all speculation but no one of my guy friends at college might have walked me home ...but they would nothave taken my life either.
I must me totally naive because I think it was a stranger\

Exactly. There's a HUGE leap between taking the friend home and making sure she's safe AND murdering a friend or concealing her death.

I'm leaning towards a stranger or crime of passion...

 

[Blythe]

Did JW go looking for her? Is it corroborated that he went to sleep at 2:30 and remained aasleep?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Plus, we don't know how long after she stopped imbibing she went missing, so to me it seems like a huge, and kind of unfair, stretch to say she was just some wasted chick and things got out of control.

Respectfully snipped by me.

I don't think anyone is saying that that's "just" what happened. MOO: the posts I've seen about LS's state and substance use on the night that she disappeared (and otherwise) were focused on establishing what the possible variables in her situation were...not judgmental.

 

[epiphany]

So why do you say she called DR? And why do you call DR? And why doesn't he answer? .... and I guess there was no voicemail. (I know - voicemail is a tool used by parents not college students..)

HT stated that LS called DR from JR's cell phone. DR's attorney (representing him on a prior situation) states that "someone/body" made a call to DR, but he was in bed.

Could be that HT, who knows JR well, was told by JR that LS is the one that placed the call. Since there appears to have been a call to DR from JR's cell phone to DR's, some of us are speculating that JR may have indeed made the call (Speculation: Alibi-LS is alive and well when she leaves JR's.).

 

[pcsmith]

I just read the articles, a blind person can see how these kids act.

As far as relevancy, it is very relevant --- one of the important things that should come out of cases like this is,
"what did we learn?"

Prevention? How do we make sure things like this don't happen again?

I'm commenting on how it doesn't look like any of the surrounding people learned anything at all.

Not that any of them were actually there for their "friend".

It's hard to learn something if we don't even know what happened in the first place.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

I do think the comments of Lauren "screaming" that she was on coke, xanax and alcohol is a little over the top.

I don't doubt she was intoxicated, but I don't really believe she was talking about the substances she was using.

People are creating rumors, of course.

And I mean, honestly? Was Lauren playing Russian roulette? 90 pounds, a heart condition, xanax, coke and alcohol?? I think there is a little of exageration...

I do not doubt the alcohol, but I'm not 100% sure she was doing coke or xanax as well.

 

[elmomom]

Statistics and the way LE/family are acting are telling me that it was someone that knows her. I think that would more likely be the boyfriend, since his crowd seems to be a bit rough and tougher than CRs crowd. But my gut from the get-go has said stranger abduction.