Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[krimekat]

Here she says she does not know what question she failed on the LDT.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...issing-tot-cops-said-you-did-it/#.Ty5xpnorxXZ

Here she says she knows what question she failed on the LDT.

Part 3 video.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/1...askss,-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

First video is from 7 Oct: Bradley, 25, also admitted on Friday that she had failed a voluntary lie-detector test that was administered by police.
“They said that I failed, and I continue to say that’s not possible because I don’t know where she’s at,’’ Bradley said. “I did not do this. I don't remember which one (question) it was. They just kept saying I failed, I failed, and I said that’s not possible. What do you say when someone tells you that, and you know you didn’t do anything?’’

Second is from 17 Oct: the link doesn't work for me . . . but it's the interview with Megyn Kelly.

so within 10 days, how'd she know which question she failed or that she failed? And has LE confirmed she failed or just DB/her team?

Inconsistent

askfornia: I added your AWESOME post #28 of all the links of JI & DBs statements to the Timeline and Reference Forum. Thanks for putting them together . . .

 

[Donjeta]

Here is something that struck me tonight when I was looking for something else


We have heard that both boys were sleeping with Debbie that night but at some point the older one went to his own bed but the younger one was still in bed with Debbie when JI came home.


However - here JI implies that both boys slept in their bedroom.

Reporter: “Did the boys hear anything at all? You said you, you, you had to wake the boys. Did, did they not hear anything coming in the window, or…?”

]JI: “Uh, I don’t think so. The window that was open is nowhere near their bedroom, so, I don’t think they heard anything or, they’re both pretty heavy sleepers.”

If the younger son slept in Debbie's room all night it's neither here nor there where his own bedroom is in relation to the window when it comes to him hearing something. Also the older boy could easily still have been in bed with Debbie abd his brother if they went there at 10:30 or so and the intruder came in to steal a baby and some phones 1-1.5 hours later.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-152343.html

 

[askfornina]

Here are all of JI and DB's statements. I don't believe there is anything missing but if you notice that there is please let me know.

October 5th:
Local Media Interview
Lisa Irwin's parents appeal for safe return of daughter - YouTube

October 6th:
Local Media Interview
Baby Lisa's Parents Take Questions From Reporters - YouTube

Jeremy Fox News Phone Interview
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/0...irwin-speaks-out-pleads-for-daughters-return/

October 7th:
Today Show DB&JI
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/#.TyzwdMj7mOf
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905

October 9th (posted on October 9th, interview was an earlier date):
Judge Jeanine cut up into segments.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justi...ssing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=163706
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1213192088001
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...al-new-details-about-night-baby-went-missing-

October 17th:
Megyn Kelly interview in segments. A big thing that irks me about this interview is that Megyn Kelly announced that the interview was almost 2 hours long. We have only seen about 15 minutes of it.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/1...e-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/1...ina-is-wealthy-benefactor-picking-up-the-tab/

Today Show
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44927...m-i-was-drunk-when-she-vanished/#.TyzxEsj7mOe

Good morning America
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisas-parents-microscope-14752251

People magazine Oct31st issue:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20538450,00.html

Feb.2nd:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/16664445/baby-lisas-mom-says-shes-coming-home
http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/30368827/detail.html

Links to the Dr.Phil interview:
http://www.kmbc.com/video/30372784/detail.html
http://www.kmbc.com/video/30373021/detail.html
http://www.kmbc.com/video/30373097/detail.html
http://www.kmbc.com/video/30373144/detail.html
http://www.kmbc.com/video/30373268/detail.html

Other links:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15940122/source-says-4-hour-window-for-abduction
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...ls-timeline-of-day-and-night-of-disappearance

I missed these two:

Oct 7th another GMA interview:
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29415500/detail.html

Oct 9th, part of the Judge Jeanine interview:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justi...-fail-a-lie-detector-test/?playlist_id=163706

 

[jjenny]

How do we know she read the warning label?

Why is she getting on national TV and making claims about alcohol and her meds if she hasn't read the label?

 

[RANCH]

Why is she getting on national TV and make claims about alcohol and her meds?

I don't know. Did she say she read the warning label and disagreed with it? Or is she uninformed?

 

[annalia]

Why is she getting on national TV and making claims about alcohol and her meds if she hasn't read the label?

She went on to combat her critics who talked about mixing the two.
She was defiant and adamant that mixing the two meant nothing, she was right and those critics were wrong. She wouldn't have done her own homework? Who doesn't know that thousands of drugs don't mix with alcohol and wouldn't even bother checking?

She obviously knows how to use the computer, if reading labels is too hard, she could have done a quick google search if she really wanted the answer before taking to national TV to combat her critics for being wrong when in fact looks like they were right.

JMHO

 

[jjenny]

I don't know. Did she say she read the warning label and disagreed with it? Or is she uninformed?

She is an adult woman taking the meds. We had no information that she is mentally impaired in any way. Who is supposed to read her labels for her?

 

[RANCH]

She is an adult woman taking the meds. We had no information that she is mentally impaired in any way. Who is supposed to read her labels for her?

All I was trying to say to the OP was that Debbie not knowing the side effects of her medication is not proof that she is lying. Being uniformed about something doesn't make you mentally impaired or a liar.

 

[loveandhugs]

BBM
Nope.

I've doubted the drunk story since she first stated it. Sometimes things seem just a bit too convenient, kwim? For me personally it would have helped to dispel doubt had she appeared to feel remorseful or regretful her drinking that night may have played a role...instead of entitlement, denial and ignorance.

If nothing else you cannot recall the last night you held your baby in your arms. You can't remember every little detail - the last look on her face, what her hair smelled like, if she giggled when you were tucking her in, etc. (hypothetically of course) Wouldn't you at least, even if not involved, feel regret over losing those precious memories because of your own actions? :waitasec:

Maybe they can't remember the evenings' events and they get their stories wrong because what ever happened to Lisa didn't happen that night. Just because they say it did, doesn't make it so. I think whatever happened to Lisa, happened before she was reported missing, they just needed time to come up with a story - only that story keeps changing because it didn't actually take place.

 

[KsStormy]

Maybe they can't remember the evenings' events and they get their stories wrong because what ever happened to Lisa didn't happen that night. Just because they say it did, doesn't make it so. I think whatever happened to Lisa, happened before she was reported missing, they just needed time to come up with a story - only that story keeps changing because it didn't actually take place.

OR, the reason the story changes so often is that it happened so quick they didn't have time to work out their stories?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Regarding meds and alcohol:

I take Effexor and I have zero side effects with it unless I forget to take a dose, and 24 hours or so after I should have taken it I start to get dizzy and nauseated.

I have also had instances while taking it when I drank quite a bit of wine, and I had no side effects then either, apart from the normal effects of the alcohol.

People's body chemistries are different and they react to medicines in different ways. For example, Nyquil makes most people sleepy, but I cannot take it because I will be climbing the walls.

So if DB says she had no effects from combining Effexor with alcohol, my own experience proves she could be telling the truth--about that one thing, anyway.

 

[RANCH]

Regarding meds and alcohol:

I take Effexor and I have zero side effects with it unless I forget to take a dose, and 24 hours or so after I should have taken it I start to get dizzy and nauseated.

I have also had instances while taking it when I drank quite a bit of wine, and I had no side effects then either, apart from the normal effects of the alcohol.

People's body chemistries are different and they react to medicines in different ways. For example, Nyquil makes most people sleepy, but I cannot take it because I will be climbing the walls.

So if DB says she had no effects from combining Effexor with alcohol, my own experience proves she could be telling the truth--about that one thing, anyway.

Thanks Izzy. It's interesting to see that it's possible that Debbie is telling the truth and she may have no side effects from mixing alcohol and her meds.

 

[Ninja Bunny]

But how could she know for sure? She claims to have been blacked out drunk, she couldn't even remember her own kid. Based on that she was not in any shape to claim with any certainty that Effexor + enough alcohol to make her black out didn't have a combined effect.

 

[RANCH]

But how could she know for sure? She claims to have been blacked out drunk, she couldn't even remember her own kid. Based on her own words she was in no shape to evaluate whether Effexor + enough alcohol to make her black out had a combined effect.

I don't know the answer to your question. But I would think that if she blacked out that night from a combination of alcohol and prescription drugs, LE would have noticed and tested her.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

But how could she know for sure? She claims to have been blacked out drunk, she couldn't even remember her own kid. Based on her own words she was in no shape to evaluate whether Effexor + enough alcohol to make her black out had a combined effect.

I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand the relevance.

She admitted to drinking a lot of wine that night--IMO enough to make her black out drunk whether or not she was taking Effexor. So what does it matter if she was in no shape to evaluate whether the Effexor plus the alcohol had a combined effect, and what combined effect might it have had apart from making her blacked out drunk? Either way, she was blacked out drunk whether due solely to the alcohol or to the combination.

I have never drunk enough to black out while taking Effexor, but I can state that in my own personal experience, I have never felt that the Effexor amplified alcohol's effects--even though the warning on the bottle says it may cause drowsiness and alcohol may intensify this effect.

As I said, people's body chemistries are different. Read the warning label on any medication and you will find a host of possible side effects--but not everyone who takes the medication experiences all of those side effects.

ETA: Effexor has never made me drowsy, either.

 

[RANCH]

I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand the relevance.

She admitted to drinking a lot of wine that night--IMO enough to make her black out drunk whether or not she was taking Effexor. So what does it matter if she was in no shape to evaluate whether the Effexor plus the alcohol had a combined effect, and what combined effect might it have had apart from making her blacked out drunk? Either way, she was blacked out drunk whether due solely to the alcohol or to the combination.

I have never drunk enough to black out while taking Effexor, but I can state that in my own personal experience, I have never felt that the Effexor amplified alcohol's effects--even though the warning on the bottle says it may cause drowsiness and alcohol may intensify this effect.

As I said, people's body chemistries are different. Read the warning label on any medication and you will find a host of possible side effects--but not everyone who takes the medication experiences all of those side effects.

ETA: Effexor has never made me drowsy, either.

BBM
So the side effects is drowsiness and alcohol may intensify that effect. So it may have caused Debbie to feel sleepy. Or it may not have. Thanks Izzy.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

BBM
So the side effects is drowsiness and alcohol may intensify that effect. So it may have caused Debbie to feel sleepy. Or it may not have. Thanks Izzy.

LOL. That's about the size of it. I don't think there's any way to know for sure.

You're welcome.

 

[Ninja Bunny]

Drinking alcohol + effexor is not recommended because it can increase the effects of the alcohol such as increased depression or impaired motor skills. Those who do drink are advised to limit to about 1 drink per day. DB was gulping down quite a bit more.

In the Dr Phil interview she said that being drunk that night had nothing to do with Lisa being missing. (If she wasn't drunk then maybe she would have heard the alleged intruder/wouldn't have killed her baby, etc.)

She stated she was certain the drugs she took didn't interact with the alcohol. If she was as drunk as she says she was she couldn't know that for sure and it was another substance that she put in her body that very well could have further impaired her ability.

It is relevant to me because it shows an added level of irresponsibility and she's making public statements about her condition that night that she can't possibly know or she's lying about.

 

[RANCH]

Drinking alcohol + effexor is not recommended because it can increase the effects of the alcohol such as increased depression or impaired motor skills. Those who do drink are advised to limit to about 1 drink per day. DB was gulping down quite a bit more.

In the Dr Phil interview she said that being drunk that night had nothing to do with Lisa being missing. (If she wasn't drunk then maybe she would have heard the alleged intruder/wouldn't have killed her baby, etc.)

She stated she was certain the drugs she took didn't interact with the alcohol. If she was as drunk as she says she was she couldn't know that for sure and it was another substance that she put in her body that very well could have further impaired her ability.

It is relevant to me because it shows an added level of irresponsibility and she's making public statements about her condition that night that she can't possibly know or she's lying about.

I was following you until I got to your last sentence. What "statements about her condition that night she can't possibly know" are you referring to?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

She stated she was certain the drugs she took didn't interact with the alcohol. If she was as drunk as she says she was she couldn't know that for sure and it was another substance that she put in her body that very well could have further impaired her ability.

1. Well, she could be fairly certain of this if, as I suspect, she has drunk that much while taking Effexor in the past and, like me, did not experience intensified alcohol effects. (That sentence sounded weird. I'm not saying I have drunk that much while taking Effexor.) I don't think a person goes from drinking little or nothing to suddenly quaffing down the quantity she claimed she did that night.

2. Are you saying that perhaps while blacked out she took yet a third substance?

3. Again, if she was blacked out, what difference does it make whether that was a result of alcohol or the combination of alcohol and Effexor?

I'm not trying to start an argument, I just still don't feel I understand your point.